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Old 08-31-2012, 06:04 PM   #201
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I really need to edit this one a tad more as the circular polarizer was having a really hard time with the windshield as it is almost flat. Middle of the day, overcast skies...deleted a pole and an entire building in the background.

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Old 08-31-2012, 06:05 PM   #202
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Old 08-31-2012, 06:33 PM   #203
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That's just ridiculous. Nice shot man!!!
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Old 08-31-2012, 07:07 PM   #204
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Was the Aperture 1.2 on this shot or were you just stating the lens you used?
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I'd have to look a exif for the aperture used. It was my 50 1.2L though
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That doesn't look like 1.2.
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The DOF is crazy shallow on that. I'm saying 2.8 probably.
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His EXIF says it's f/1.2
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You're right. I guess I could've just looked. I didn't think the whole car would be sharp at that aperture.
This goes back to the table I posted earlier:



The 50mm f/1.2 has a physical aperture that is 41.7mm. This is actually smaller than the 55-250mm at 250mm and f/5.6! That is why the far away highlights aren't that blurred (they are still quite blurry, but not like a 135 f/2.0 or 85 f/1.2).

The 50mm f/1.2 has a razor thin DOF, but when you back up enough to get a whole car in the shot you have ~7ft in focus (even more if you were to use a crop body). I would say that is about right for this photo. You can see the front wheel is starting to get OOF.

The 50mm f/1.2 is no doubt a magical lens. It looks absolutely stunning on portraits and other "people" shots. I don't know if it's the best choice for extreme background blur in car shoots though. Not knocking that shot at all, it looks great. Just pointing out why someone might not think it "looks like f/1.2". It is f/1.2, but it's on a shorter focal length.

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Well, they increase the radius that's in focus lol. It's a great photo either way!
No they don't increase what's in focus. Not at all. You could have 1 million focus points and the DOF is still determined by the focal length, aperture, sensor size and subject distance. Nothing at all to do with focus points.
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Old 08-31-2012, 07:32 PM   #205
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So the 85mm f/1.8 I ordered will give me 16ft in focus at? Am I reading this right?
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:03 PM   #206
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So the 85mm f/1.8 I ordered will give me 16ft in focus at? Am I reading this right?
It all has to do with your setup. Like visiondynamix said if you are using a crop body you will have a larger field of focus. The simple way to think about it is the closer to an object you are the more out of focus your foreground or background will be. If you are on the ground and take a picture close up of a flower you will have lots of bokeh (bubbly look of the blurred background) and blurred background. If you're standing 20 feet away from a car you're focused on even at f/1.4 your background won't be super out of focus. If you were up close and took a shot of the headlight lets say then that changes things.

There is a lot of math you can do, if you chose to, to figure out what will be in focus at what distance. Once you get the hang of a lens though you'll have a good idea oh how a picture is going to come out at what settings.
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:03 PM   #207
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Yeah, at 75ft away, which with be a 20ft horizontal field of view on your crop body. DOF will be less if you are closer and more if you are further away. That is just one specific example.
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:05 PM   #208
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It all has to do with your setup. Like visiondynamix said if you are using a crop body you will have a larger field of focus. The simple way to think about it is the closer to an object you are the more out of focus your foreground or background will be. If you are on the ground and take a picture close up of a flower you will have lots of bokeh (bubbly look of the blurred background) and blurred background. If you're standing 20 feet away from a car you're focused on even at f/1.4 your background won't be super out of focus. If you were up close and took a shot of the headlight lets say then that changes things.

There is a lot of math you can do, if you chose to, to figure out what will be in focus at what distance. Once you get the hang of a lens though you'll have a good idea oh how a picture is going to come out at what settings.
20 feet away with an 85mm on a crop body is a 5ft x 3.5ft field of view. Not nearly enough for a whole car. If you actually back up far enough away to fit a car in your shot, it will be even deeper DOF.
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:15 PM   #209
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Math is great...but experience is better. The more you shoot...the more you learn. I think it is really easy to get hung up on the equipment. I have seen fantastic photographs taken with an iPhone and crappy ones taken with high end equipment.
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:19 PM   #210
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:40 PM   #211
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20 feet away with an 85mm on a crop body is a 5ft x 3.5ft field of view. Not nearly enough for a whole car. If you actually back up far enough away to fit a car in your shot, it will be even deeper DOF.
Well I hope this lens will be a little more easy to use in tighter spaces then my zoom. Even though the 85 is a 136mm on my camera. Clarity should be much improved over the zoom end of my other lens. I hope I can still achieve the look I want with the new lens.
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Old 08-31-2012, 08:44 PM   #212
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No they don't increase what's in focus. Not at all. You could have 1 million focus points and the DOF is still determined by the focal length, aperture, sensor size and subject distance. Nothing at all to do with focus points.
I'm not sure you understand what I was trying to say. What I meant was quite literally what I said, the focus points focus on what they're pointing at. If the focus points were aimed to the wheel then that would clearly be in focus more than the rest of the materials. My comment wasn't meant to have any depth, but I thought everyone would have seen that.

In short, I'm saying if one has 32 points of focus vs 9 points of focus, it's easier to get more things in focus with 32 points.
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:11 PM   #213
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:15 PM   #214
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Old 08-31-2012, 09:49 PM   #215
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20 feet away with an 85mm on a crop body is a 5ft x 3.5ft field of view. Not nearly enough for a whole car. If you actually back up far enough away to fit a car in your shot, it will be even deeper DOF.
I was pulling numbers out my arse, meant for just an example but you are right. I'm on a half crop 1.3x body though
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:22 PM   #217
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Math is great...but experience is better. The more you shoot...the more you learn. I think it is really easy to get hung up on the equipment. I have seen fantastic photographs taken with an iPhone and crappy ones taken with high end equipment.
I agree. I only try to use the numbers to show why experience would have picked up on the 50mm f/1.2 looking how it does for a car shot, and that many of the "off the cuff" things that people post are not quite accurate.

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Well I hope this lens will be a little more easy to use in tighter spaces then my zoom. Even though the 85 is a 136mm on my camera. Clarity should be much improved over the zoom end of my other lens. I hope I can still achieve the look I want with the new lens.
Clarity isn't going to look much different once you resize to 1000 pixels.

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I'm not sure you understand what I was trying to say. What I meant was quite literally what I said, the focus points focus on what they're pointing at. If the focus points were aimed to the wheel then that would clearly be in focus more than the rest of the materials. My comment wasn't meant to have any depth, but I thought everyone would have seen that.

In short, I'm saying if one has 32 points of focus vs 9 points of focus, it's easier to get more things in focus with 32 points.
You can still focus and recompose or manually focus your shots. Even if you have only 1 focus point you shouldn't be able to use that as an excuse for these posed/static car shots. The last statement you made the is the misleading one. It seems to imply that with 32 focus points you could get things all over the frame to be in focus at once. This is not true. The only thing you gain is that you can be a little more lazy when setting up the shots. It's definitely not a bad thing, but it in no way should affect the end output.

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First time I've ever seen a M5 with a bike rack. That's amazing! That's a nice looking car.
Yeah, that's a bit of a different look, but I like it a lot!
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Old 08-31-2012, 10:28 PM   #218
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5D MkII is only 9+6 focus points anyway, and the AF system is a joke. Sometimes I wonder how I make it through weddings without spiking one into the ground. (Which wouldnt be my first 5DII spiked into a concrete sidewalk)
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I agree. I only try to use the numbers to show why experience would have picked up on the 50mm f/1.2 looking how it does for a car shot, and that many of the "off the cuff" things that people post are not quite accurate.
I agree there as well.
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Clarity isn't going to look much different once you resize to 1000 pixels.
Well I view most of my pictures on Flickr and I plan to have some shots blown up to frame at some point. (My portrait stuff) So I'm assuming there would be a difference at those sizes.
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All I was trying to say. lol
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:08 PM   #222
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5D MkII is only 9+6 focus points anyway, and the AF system is a joke. Sometimes I wonder how I make it through weddings without spiking one into the ground. (Which wouldnt be my first 5DII spiked into a concrete sidewalk)
On all my camera's I'm using center point only 99% of the time. The only time I usually move it is when I'm shooting sports and I want to keep the continuous AF on the face/eyes. I shoot weddings with 5D Classics and the AF is horrible. The 7D is so much better, but I love the full frame look. I'm hoping they slot in a FF body with good AF under the 5D3 price range. I'd love 4 of those, but I don't think they'd make me any more money, and they'd take a looong time to pay off.

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Well I view most of my pictures on Flickr and I plan to have some shots blown up to frame at some point. (My portrait stuff) So I'm assuming there would be a difference at those sizes.
For large prints it will definitely pay off.
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All I was trying to say. lol
I agree with that.
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:13 PM   #224
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