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Old 12-28-2013, 03:22 PM   #401
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Ya know...Sometimes I type a response to people, then I realize that it is covering no new ground and that it's a waste of time. Then I just don't hit "post reply". More people should do that.

Specifically, Calamity should do that rather that type a bunch more drivel. He is like a more surly but boring r0bman. And he's super slow in Forza too. Also, otherstuff.
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Old 12-28-2013, 03:57 PM   #402
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Specifically, Calamity should do that rather that type a bunch more drivel. He is like a more surly but boring r0bman. And he's super slow in Forza too. Also, otherstuff.



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Old 12-28-2013, 09:33 PM   #403
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Whoa!!!!

let me get this straight.. there is a NASIOC forza league still?
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Old 12-29-2013, 08:38 AM   #404
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The OT Bowling League isn't really a thing anymore, AFAIK. I kinda fell out of love with Forza when they chose upscaled 1080p graphics and pretty vistas for dumbed down physics (particularly those that modeled twist beam rear axles and multi-links the same way) in Forza 4.

none of the game physics stuff is true, of course.. just rustling more jimmies.
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Old 12-29-2013, 09:34 AM   #405
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let me get this straight.. there is a NASIOC forza league still?
nope, just a bunch of us on a friends list racing each others drivatars and lap times.

I have ideas for a league but needs some fleshing out.
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Old 12-29-2013, 03:27 PM   #406
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I was part of a NASIOC vintage racing night that started up. WE had big bore camaro's fords, and challengers, and small bore Alfa's and Datsuns… It was awesome! I would be in for some more of that.

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Old 01-02-2014, 09:49 PM   #407
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I was part of a NASIOC vintage racing night that started up. WE had big bore camaro's fords, and challengers, and small bore Alfa's and DatsunsÖ It was awesome! I would be in for some more of that.

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Great game! They made RWD cars super hard to drive though. I actually use the FiST for the C class and won a couple multiplayer races, which is tough considering evertime I get taken out in the first corner.
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Old 01-03-2014, 11:24 AM   #408
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Pre is entitled to think whatever he wants about me. Free country. But I do not think he spends countless hours scouring the boards looking for threads to jump on.

Yours is easy to attack as you are so consistantly spouting off extreme views as facts from the basement of your moms house.

I kid I kid.
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Old 01-07-2014, 03:11 PM   #411
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Wouldn't this be interesting...

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fi...esta-rs-coming

Doesn't say it would be AWD though.
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Old 01-07-2014, 05:18 PM   #412
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You missed the highlighted point showing his affection of one of the nerdiest franchises ever made . It's right up there with LOTR, D&D, Star trek, game of thrones, etc.
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Old 01-08-2014, 06:59 AM   #415
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For all the moaning about the lack of the 3-door, these guys are lamenting the lack of the 5-door.

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EcoBoosts its way into hot hatch pole position



Verdict
Probably the best hot hatch for your money, and proof that clever engineering can delight both the eco brigade and driving enthusiasts.



Price
£16,995 - £17,995

The good
+ Class-leading agility and performance
+ Great sound from the EcoBoost engine
+ Very affordable

The not so good
- No five-door version
- More of a boy racer image than competition
- Fiesta fascia beginning to look a bit dated



What is it?

Based on the already brilliant Fiesta supermini, the ST is the product of Ford Team RS, the European arm of the car makerís performance division, who tuned the engine, suspension, steering and brakes to create a focused performance car. They also made some styling tweaks with the addition of a large rear wing and deep front spoiler. There are very capable rivals nipping at the Fiesta STís heels, notably the Peugeot 208 GTi and Renaultsport Clio RS 200, both of which were also relaunched in 2013 and offer very similar performance.

The Fiesta ST is available in basic trim from just £16,995 Ė some £2,000 less than its cheapest French rivals. Ford sells the car in two trim levels: standard Fiesta ST, with 17in alloy wheels, halogen lights, DAB radio, a Thatcham CAT 1 alarm, Recaro seats and air conditioning, or, for an extra £1,000, Fiesta ST2 which adds partial leather heated Recaro seats, Sony DAB radio, keyless start, tinted windows and LED daytime running lights. Sat nav, climate control and the Style Pack, which includes grey alloys and red brake callipers, are cost options. Save your money, though Ė the standard ST is the one to go for.

Look out also for the Ford-approved Mountune upgrade, which offers an additional 33bhp over the standard 179bhp for an extra £599, without affecting the warranty.



The drive

The standard Fiestaís already capable chassis underpins the ST but bolted to it is a 1.6-litre EcoBoost engine delivering that aforementioned 179bhp. This is less than the 200bhp found in the 208 GTi and Clio RS but the Fiestaís turbocharged unit has more torque than both (214 lb ft compared with 203 lb ft, and 177 lb ft respectively), meaning it feels more aggressive in its acceleration.

Meanwhile, the car is astonishingly quick and composed through corners owing to it having a 15mm lower ride height over the standard Fiesta, modified components at the front and rear, and increased stiffness all-round. The steering is pin-point accurate thanks to Fordís torque vectoring system, known as eTVC, which applies braking to the inside wheel during cornering and allows the car to be turned more sharply.

The electronic stability control, which distributes power to the wheels to avoid wheelspin, can be set three ways: full intervention, limited intervention or full deactivation. Driving found the car much more responsive with it switched off completely, although in slippery conditions it would prove much more useful.

Despite this technology, the ST feels satisfyingly old-school in the way it drives, helped by the fact that it is only available with a six-speed manual gearbox, unlike the new Renault Clio RS which has a semi-automatic transmission with an F1-inspired paddle shift. Regarding the Ford, itís hard to think of a more engaging, bang-for-your-buck performance car.

As a daily driver the Fiesta ST makes sense, too. The stiffer suspension is nowhere near hard enough to rattle the fillings from your teeth, while the EcoBoost engine delivers decent economy and cleanliness Ė 47.9mpg in the combined test cycle and 138g/km of CO2 (similar to its French rivals).



The cabin

Thereís nothing radical about the interior of the Fiesta ST. The dashboard and instruments are standard Ford fare, which is beginning to look quite dated compared with the competition. Fortunately, it's not unattractive in its design and there are styling tweaks in the Fiesta ST that help bring a sporting look, including carbon-fibre dashboard inserts, alloy-metal pedals and gear lever, and an ST-badged steering wheel.

The Recaro seats look the part and, more importantly, hold you well around the backside and shoulders. The lip on the edges of the base cushion is less pronounced than in some other hot hatches, allowing you to get in and out of the car more easily.

This being a supermini, interior space is at a premium. Matters are not helped by the fact that the Fiesta ST is not available with rear doors Ė itís strictly a three-door affair. On the flipside, thereís a lot to be said for the structural rigidity this brings.



The one to buy

Ford Fiesta ST

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£16,995
Engine:
1596cc, 4-cylinder
Power:
179bhp @ 5700rpm
Torque:
214lb ft @ 1600-5000rpm
Transmission:
6-speed manual
Acceleration:
0-62mph in 6.9se
Top speed:
139mph
Fuel:
47.9mpg
CO2:
138g/km combined
Road tax band:
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Dimensions:
L 3975mm, W 1787mm, H 1456mm
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Old 01-08-2014, 07:04 AM   #416
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Haven't seen the Clarkson review in this thread. He also lists the FiST as one of his 5 best cars of 2013.

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I went for tea at a London restaurant the other day and when weíd finished, I said Iíd pick up the tab. Generous, I know. But thatís the kind of guy I am. So, anyway. Go on. How much would you expect the bill to be? Four people. A pot of tea. And a round of cucumber sandwiches.

Nope. Youíre wrong. It was £78.42.

Now if it had been a nice round £80, Iíd have summoned the manager and inserted the teapot in him. But because it was £78.42, it gave the impression that they hadnít simply said, ďLook at that rich bastard. Letís charge him eighty quid.Ē It looked like theyíd done some workings out. And that the actual price in that part of London of two tea bags, a pint of tap water, eight slices of bread and a quarter of a cucumber really does add up to £78.42.

Apparently this is a well-known trick. When someone phones and asks you to quote for a job, you should never say, ďOh, £500 should do itĒ, because that looks like youíve simply plucked a number from the ether. Which is an open invitation for the customer to engage in that most barbaric of things: haggling. For the British, haggling is like talking in lifts. Itís disgusting.

What you must do when asked for a quote is mumble to yourself as though you are doing some long multiplication on the back of an envelope and then, after 20 or so seconds, say £512.63.

That looks like it is the real cost of doing the job, and as a result, haggling is not possible. So instead of settling on £450, you get paid £512.63.

This brings me on to the retail habit of pricing everything at something and 99p. We know why they do this. Because £4.99 sounds less than £5. Plus it makes the customer feel all warm and well disposed towards the notion of a return visit if he walks out of the door clutching a penny change.

Yes. But am I the only person who thinks that rather than knocking a penny off, the shopkeeper has simply added 99p? Or is that just my tight-fisted Yorkshire genes?

Probably not. Because if thereís one thing I despise, itís a bargain. If someone offers me a good, or a service, that costs less than I was expecting, I automatically assume thereís something wrong with it. Usually Iím right. Cheap cola tastes less good than expensive cola. A cheap vacuum cleaner will not do quite such a good job as an expensive vacuum cleaner. A cheap holiday will be rubbish. An expensive one will be great. Unless youíre on a cruise, obviously.

However, in the world of cars, this is not necessarily so. An Aston Martin Vanquish, for instance, costs £189,995. This tells us that Aston has done its costings (yeah, right) and that this is how much the car costs to make. Plus a bit of profit added on.

Itís the same story with the Ferrari 458 Italia. In basic form, this costs £178,491 because thatís how much the metal, glass, plastic and carbon fibre cost to assemble. No, really. They do. Ferrari metal is more expensive than Ford metal because, er, it just is.

I could go on. The McLaren MP4-12C. The Mercedes SLS AMG. The Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera. All cars of this type cost between £165,000 and £200,000. Itís the price you pay for having something a bit different. Something a bit out of the ordinary.

So why, then, does an Audi R8 cost £91,575? Why is a Porsche 911 £71,449? Why is a Bentley Continental V8 GT £123,850? These are exotic cars too. But they are half price.

Does that mean they are rubbish? Virgin Cola cars? Well, thatís the thing. I donít think so. If you reduce a Porsche 911 and a Ferrari 458 to their component parts, youíd struggle to see why one costs more than twice as much as the other.

The truth is, the 911 is a bargain. Soís the Bentley and the R8. And that brings me on a wave of beige-tinted common sense to the door of the Ford Fiesta ST.

Cracking car, the Fiesta. Itís good- looking, spacious, safe, economical and, if you avoid the base models, nippy as well. But Iíve always felt that the chassis was so good, it could easily handle a bit more oomph. Which is where the ST comes in.

I do not know why Ford continues to name its faster cars after lady towels, and Iím not sure either why it says the engine under the bonnet is from the EcoBoost range. EcoBoost gives the impression that it runs on armpit hair and produces about as much power as Luxembourg.

That ainít so. Because, actually, itís a turbocharged 1.6-litre that produces 180bhp. This means you go from 0-62mph in a polar bear-strangling 6.9 seconds and onwards to a top speed of 139mph. Thatís quick.

Itís probable the standard suspension setup could handle the extra grunt but to be on the safe side, and to make it look sportier, the Lady Towel is 15mm nearer to the ground than standard Fiestas and sits on fat 17in wheels. Thereís a roof spoiler, too, that does absolutely nothing at all. But it looks nice.

Does it all work? Yes, it does. And some. Like the Ford Focus ST, it all feels loose and light and, if you reduce the traction-control system, or turn it off altogether, a bit wayward. You have understeer and liftoff oversteer and patches of cling-on-for-dear-life grip, and the upshot is: itís bloody good fun.

You can feel the electronic limited-slip ďdiffĒ doing its best to keep things orderly and neat but you get the impression itís like a not very good teacher, trying to organise a class full of unruly seven-year-olds. I like that. And I like the noise as well. Ford has pinched an idea first seen on the £336,000 Lexus LFA and has fitted a ďsound symposerĒ, a tube that feeds the induction roar directly into the cabin. It makes you feel like youíre actually sitting in the engine bay. The interior is good, too. You get enormous body-hugging Recaro seats and even in the base model lots of toys as well.

I liked this car. A lot. It has all the qualities I look for in a hot hatchback. Thereís everyday practicality. Thereís comfort. Thereís the sense that each of its body panels will cost no more to repair than it would on a cooking model. And yet despite all this Terry and June down-to-earthness, there is also lots and lots of juicy speed and joie de vivre.

And hereís the best bit. It costs just £16,995, which is £2,000 less than Peugeot or Renault charge for their latest hot hatches. In fact, £16,995 is as near as dammit what Alfa Romeo charges for some versions of its woeful two-cylinder TwinAir Mito. And you donít even get ripped off with extras. I visited Fordís online configurator and once youíve selected the model, pretty much the only choice you have is the colour.

The Ford Fiesta Lady Towel, then. It manages to be something thatís quite rare these days: cheap and cheerful.



Verdict ★★★★☆

Full of juicy speed and joie de vivre



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Price:
£16,995
Engine:
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Power:
180bhp @ 5750rpm
Torque
214 lb ft @ 1500rpm
Transmission:
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Acceleration:
0-62mph: 6.9sec
Top Speed:
139mph
Fuel:
47.9mpg (combined)
CO2:
138g/km
Road Tax Band:
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Dimensions:
L 3975mm W 1787mm H 1456mm
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Man this car sounds like a hoot. I need to try one out when dealers get more of them on lots up here.
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I have yet to hear anyone speak bad about it, and if they bring the RS... there is no small hatch that will touch it unless the Focus RS turns out to be more of a killer. This thing should prove interesting on the autocross track.
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It's the kind of car I would have driven in Europe, and I considered buying one this year, but unfortunately the lack of an auto/CVT option makes it a non-starter here, since my girlfriend can't drive a manual. I'm also not sure how well a turbo FWD car will work on snow.
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Old 01-28-2014, 06:40 AM   #421
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Teach her how to drive a manual. If she's unwilling to learn, replace her.

FWD turbo + 4 Winter tires + TCS + 6MT =
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It's the kind of car I would have driven in Europe, and I considered buying one this year, but unfortunately the lack of an auto/CVT option makes it a non-starter here, since my girlfriend can't drive a manual. I'm also not sure how well a turbo FWD car will work on snow.
Heaven forbid you teach her. I've taught my GF how to drive on my s2000 ffs.
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Teach her. I've met people that can't learn but they're not that common . She might even find that she likes it .
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Teach her. I've met people that can't learn but they're not that common . She might even find that she likes it .
It's not even that they CANT learn its that they don't want to learn. I can't for the life of me understand why you wouldn't want to learn. If you can drive standard you can drive anything. A useful skill to have if you ask me!
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To be honest not getting a car because you're GF can't drive it seems a little much, unless you've been together for a long long time. Fiancee, wife, different matter.
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