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Old 09-07-2012, 01:44 PM   #326
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A chasis that most recembles with the BRZ and the engine lower and more backwords.
Not unless they're doing away with AWD.
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I think you are going to be very disappointing if these are your expectations for the next gen WRX/STI... Hopefully I'm wrong.
Maybe someone will, but the Subaru apologists will be here in force spinning everything that is wrong with the STi as positive.
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Old 09-07-2012, 02:45 PM   #327
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They could use the BRZ chassis (which is just a shortened Impreza) for the next WRX, and they should to get it closer to the DS3 in size. The chassis does not prevent AWD, it is the location of the engine/tranny being too far back that does.

The GC had a shorter wheelbase than the BRZ. The 02-07 WRX was very close too.
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:19 PM   #328
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A chasis that most recembles with the BRZ and the engine lower and more backwords.
Are you planning to run the front wheels directly off pistons 3 & 4?
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Old 09-07-2012, 03:33 PM   #329
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....The GC had a shorter wheelbase than the BRZ. The 02-07 WRX was very close too.
IIRC, the GC and GD had the same wheelbase as each other. Technically, the versions with the high castor front arms had a slightly longer wheelbase.
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Old 09-07-2012, 04:01 PM   #330
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Are you planning to run the front wheels directly off pistons 3 & 4?
the easiest solution here would be to put the engine in the middle, have cylinders 1&2 connected to cylinders 3&4 via a LSD, and then they are connected via a front and rear output shaft to two 6 speed transaxles at front and rear.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:16 PM   #331
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How about moving the engine back completely behind the front wheels and having the drive shaft(s) coming from both the front and back ends of the engine?
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:31 PM   #332
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IIRC, the GC and GD had the same wheelbase as each other. Technically, the versions with the high castor front arms had a slightly longer wheelbase.
You are correct.

GC = 99.2
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How about moving the engine back completely behind the front wheels and having the drive shaft(s) coming from both the front and back ends of the engine?
Well this could work for the BRZ to be AWD:
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:48 PM   #333
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Why is there so much crazy talk going on in here?

299WHP WRX with a robust 6-speed manual. Rear LSD.

399WHP STI with a robust SEVEN-speed dual-clutch system. Two doors. One love.

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Why is there so much crazy talk going on in here?

299WHP WRX with a robust 6-speed manual. Rear LSD.

399WHP STI with a robust SEVEN-speed dual-clutch system. Two doors. One love.

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asks why so much crazy talk, promptly talks crazy.


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Well this could work for the BRZ to be AWD:
No, no, no. put the engine in the drivers seat, put the driver in the engine bay. and def a bigger wing.
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Old 09-07-2012, 05:58 PM   #335
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Old 09-07-2012, 06:08 PM   #336
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399WHP STI with a robust SEVEN-speed dual-clutch system. Two doors. One love.[...]
As long as the same robust manual 6-speed is offered as well then it's OK. These dual-clutch systems don't do well with heat and it's an issue for us track day / HPDE rats .
We already have to keep an eye on engine oil and water temp and we wouldn't like to have to monitor tranny temp as well .
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Old 09-07-2012, 06:18 PM   #337
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No, no, no. put the engine in the drivers seat, put the driver in the engine bay. and def a bigger wing.
Just so you know that diagram is of the Japanese GT300 Legacy race car. That is exactly how it was set up.
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Old 09-07-2012, 06:24 PM   #338
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I think you are going to be very disappointing if these are your expectations for the next gen WRX/STI... Hopefully I'm wrong.

Why do you say that? I could be wrong. But weight saving is the main key. With more horsepower you are faster on the straights. With a lighter
car you are faster everywhere.
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Old 09-07-2012, 06:32 PM   #339
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And for the AWD system. After all this tumult they had on the BRZ they won't let go on
the symetrical AWD. For years now they are investigating every manner to fit al the diff's and engine different to the setup now. Do you think that subaru, with the devellopment of the BRZ, never had it in mind with AWD?

They raised a bar with a RWD on the first attempt ( with the help from Toyota). They will raise the bar again on this one.
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Old 09-07-2012, 06:54 PM   #340
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You are correct.

GC = 99.2
02 = 99.4



Well this could work for the BRZ to be AWD:
lol... wtf???!

Are you ****ing drunk?
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Old 09-07-2012, 07:03 PM   #341
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I have a better idea...

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Old 09-07-2012, 07:24 PM   #342
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I'm thinking 4 cylinder AWD, with one cylinder powering each wheel. That would leave more passenger room in the middle while balancing weight. And with 4 electric turbochargers sourced from the hair appliance section of CVS, you don't even need complex exhaust piping.

Seriously, I'm expecting a 2.0L turbo in the vicinity of 270hp for the WRX with a LGT 6-speed tranny and CVT option, with the STi making in the 320 range with all the techy racy bits. Maybe a double clutch (although that would likely be alot of engineering to put out at once).

I'm hoping to get a WRX with leather and sunroof, 0-60 in @5.5, MPG of 20/30 ish and a 29k price for that level of option. I don't even want nav now with the sony mirrorlink thingie or whatever. Just range it from 27-32k with the STi being 34-39k.

IF they go with an actual smaller car to make a run at WRC again (I really think that such is a longshot) then they should make both, as there is too much brand equity in a performance car of Impreza size. But they did drop "Impreza" from the UK WRX, so maybe that's what they mean for us.
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:08 PM   #343
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lol... wtf???!

Are you ****ing drunk?
They've already done it on the track, and it even took a win in the GT300 Class of Japanese Super GT. You'll notice in the video that the driver sits pretty far back, but in a hatch back with short rear overhang that would create excellent weight balance. I for one hope Subaru was testing this on track for future production models.


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Old 09-07-2012, 08:13 PM   #344
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lolDerbagger is hoping for a WRX that is slower (5.5) than the current WRX! That's very nice of you to expect that already just in case it does happen.

Seriously, though, I'm at least expecting some weight-savings by making the WRX/STI more focused driver's cars. I think THAT'S what they're taking from the BRZ: Driver's car. They're all about carrying over philosophy.
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someone change the title to "next wrx drivetrain" caught testing.
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Old 09-07-2012, 08:33 PM   #346
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I have a better idea...

I think Ferrari has you beat.


No...they're not drunk.
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Old 09-07-2012, 10:31 PM   #347
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I think Ferrari has you beat.

http://youtu.be/tFy1r4Htd6E

No...they're not drunk.
Where's the oil magnet, the midget, and the uber driveshaft? That is nothing like my design. That takes power from the front of the crankshaft, my driveshiaft has two 90 degree bends and a 30 degree bend. Plus, it has magnetic motor oil which allows you to mount the oil pan upside down and still have oil within it. This coupled with the midget helps lower CG. They are infringing on my patent.

Actually, you've just proven yourself learning disabled because you took a drawing that labeled items as 'midget' and 'oil magnet' and tried to dispute it. derp....

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They've already done it on the track, and it even took a win in the GT300 Class of Japanese Super GT. You'll notice in the video that the driver sits pretty far back, but in a hatch back with short rear overhang that would create excellent weight balance. I for one hope Subaru was testing this on track for future production models.

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I can't understand what he's saying, so it's completely BS until I hear HIM say it in english. Plus, he isn't quite a midget and his drivetain is not nearly complex and power robbing as mine. Try to find a rare earth oil magnet. Do it.
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I think the outcome will be: A car that is about 150 a 200 kgs lighter than the current one. A chasis that most recembles with the BRZ and the engine lower and more backwords. Output of the engines a little up. of course WRX a 2.0l and sti 1.6.
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I think 150kg to 200kg is a tall task. Certainly I would hope they would save some weight, but that much weight is asking a lot. Also, to say that the chassis will most resemble the BRZ also seems ambitious. I expect it being very close to the Impreza, just without the Impreza badge. Perhaps I'm being a bit pessimistic. In an ideal world I certainly hope your predictions are right.
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Old 09-08-2012, 09:51 AM   #350
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More impracticability won't sell more cars.
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