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Old 10-02-2012, 12:05 PM   #651
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Thanks, Scrappy. I miss my STI 6-speed. My WRX felt fine, too, after bushings and recently after a hefty repair.

I'm still waiting for Subaru and Mitsubishi to team up and make some cars, using the Evo 5-speed on a WRX or the STI's 6-speed on the Evo.
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Old 10-02-2012, 05:30 PM   #652
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^Blasphemy!
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Old 10-02-2012, 06:28 PM   #653
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Mitsubishi needs to do something! I can't even imagine what kind of car they could build together. Just an orgy of awesome.

Now, about this WRX that was caught testing: Why aren't cars like these caught testing MORE often?
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Old 10-02-2012, 09:36 PM   #654
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I for one would be very interested in the EVO XI in addition to what Subaru has to offer in the next gen WRX. Don't fail us now...
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:21 AM   #655
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Mitsubishi needs to do something! I can't even imagine what kind of car they could build together. Just an orgy of awesome.

Now, about this WRX that was caught testing: Why aren't cars like these caught testing MORE often?
Probably because Subaru, and other manufactures, don't tell the photographers where and when they will be testing unless they want something leaked to keep the interest up.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:56 AM   #656
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For the two or three people in the country who have been following this thread in hopes of seeing a legit wagon version of the WRX caught testing... yet another reason to not get your hopes up:

http://jalopnik.com/5948172/how-the-...ars-and-trucks

On top of the stigma and general absent demand for them in the states, the CAFE rules make it even more pointless for manufacturers to give us a wagon instead of say, a "light truck." So even if we see a wagon mule, it almost certainly won't be coming here. Forester is your man.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:24 AM   #657
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Yet the XV is classified as a light truck, I believe and the 5 door WRX is considered by many to be a Wagon. Depending on the final shape, a 2 door hatch might be considered a wagon as there have been many in automotive history.

Do I think there will be a legit WRX wagon, ala the 2002-2007 WRX wagons, Nah. Do I hope there will at least a 3 or 5 door...Yep!
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:31 AM   #658
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Just sayin'.

XV's ride height might get it classified as a light truck, rather than Impreza or Impreza Sport as a passenger car. I wonder what the minimum ride height qualification for "light truck" is...

Again... just sayin'. XV STI.

FA20DIT with ~300hp tune + DCCD 6MT (maybe dual-clutch?) + front and rear LSD + WRX STI hubs, brakes and forged wheels. Bilsteins with STI springs at the minimum CAFE LT height.

+ World Rally Blue Pearl paint and a hitch receiver on mine. (a hitch is a little less 'sacrilege' on a vehicle that tall, than on a much lower WRX STI)

If it doesn't come with some modest skid-plate protection... I am sure aftermarket will offer it... and some gravel/snow/ice-ready mud-flaps.

If it were to come with a 3 OR 5 door choice, like Evoque, and Countryman/Paceman, and such... a slick 3-door XV STI with a raked rear hatch and a slightly lower roof with less concern for rear passenger headroom (because a 3-door buyer would have fewer rear passenger occaisions, I'd leave the rear seats folded all the time for cargo length and width, rather than height), that would be VERY interesting.

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Old 10-03-2012, 11:34 AM   #659
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For the two or three people in the country who have been following this thread in hopes of seeing a legit wagon version of the WRX caught testing... yet another reason to not get your hopes up:

http://jalopnik.com/5948172/how-the-...ars-and-trucks

On top of the stigma and general absent demand for them in the states, the CAFE rules make it even more pointless for manufacturers to give us a wagon instead of say, a "light truck." So even if we see a wagon mule, it almost certainly won't be coming here. Forester is your man.
Not to take this too far off-topic, but the only wagon I've ever liked is the C30 R-Design:



It just seems like nobody really knows how to make a good looking wagon.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:38 AM   #660
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A "wagon" is of no use to me unless I can get my MTB in the back with only front wheel removal. I tried this on a 2010 Impreza 5-door at a used lot and might have been able to manage it, but not without mangling the interior and maybe my bike.

Anyhow it's all about cubic feet, and a legit wagon starts at ~60 cubic feet behind the first row.

*edit* FYI my MTB is very large.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:41 AM   #661
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Not to take this too far off-topic, but the only wagon I've ever liked is the C30 R-Design:

It just seems like nobody really knows how to make a good looking wagon.
Volvo does make some primo stuff. I looked at the C30 a while back, but it's tiny and super expensive. Still very drool-worthy.
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If Volvo offered this... I would probably already have it, sans the camo treatment, but it is striking for a show-car.

Although a station/estate wagon usually has 4 side doors. A shooting brake is what this sort of 3-door wagon is traditionally called.

C30 tuned by Heico Sportiv, called Thor.
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Raised ride height, but not too tall.

This is the sort of thing I am talking about... the only thing better would be a little more of a fastback roofline... but C30 looks good anyway, with the all-glass hatch.
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Old 10-03-2012, 11:53 AM   #663
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That's not a shooting brake.. it's a hatchback. It's certainly not a wagon.
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:01 PM   #664
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P1800ES was a shooting brake, which C30 alludes to somewhat.

Hatchback works, too, and you may be right that it is the most apt. Hatchback used to refer to anything that had a full-height roof-hinged rear opening. Fox Mustangs and many other 3-door coupes were referred to as "hatchbacks", with a diagonal fastback profile, rather than a longer roof surface, with a vertical door.

But it is closer to a shooting brake than an estate/station wagon, and certainly not a sedan/saloon, nor a coupe like the P1800S
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Old 10-03-2012, 12:19 PM   #665
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That's not a shooting brake.. it's a hatchback. It's certainly not a wagon.
Agreed! That is not a wagon. This is a wagon, the only nice looking one Subaru ever made...

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Old 10-03-2012, 12:56 PM   #666
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I disagree as I have always liked the 97-98 Legacy GT wagons.

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Old 10-03-2012, 01:14 PM   #667
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... Vague, compared to what?

I understand the 6 speed is not the end all best gearbox ever, but it is not vague by any means. Is it as butter as an S2000 or a RX8? Nope. Not even close...

I was seeing some folks talk about the "knotchy" feel of the STi transmission. Subaru said they did that on purpose. It was so the driver could feel that the tranny had engaged that gear.


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I disagree as I have always liked the 97-98 Legacy GT wagons.


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Old 10-03-2012, 01:26 PM   #668
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A "wagon" is of no use to me unless I can get my MTB in the back with only front wheel removal. I tried this on a 2010 Impreza 5-door at a used lot and might have been able to manage it, but not without mangling the interior and maybe my bike.

Anyhow it's all about cubic feet, and a legit wagon starts at ~60 cubic feet behind the first row.
you must have a huge mountain bike.

I fit my track bike in the back without taking off any wheels and never a worry about scuffing anything.

I fit my mountain bike in the back, I'm lazy and don't take off the front wheel and it still fits in, but I have to open the back door and pull, then turn the wheel so it is facing up down, to close the rear hatch.

I've even managed to fit a bike in with only half the rear seats folded down, it was an expedition with a few friends, and we did have to pop the front tire off, but there's no way that the back of a 5 door doesn't fit at least one bike with the front wheel taken off.

The older body 'wagon' I couldn't put my mountain bike in without taking the front and rear off.

Of course, I've used my car to haul 8' 4x4s and 10' 2x4s, so I'm obviously not too worried about a scratch or two on the interior, it's a daily driven car, not a hard parked show car. I've got door dings and rock chips to prove it.
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^^Agreed!! I've put both mine and my wife's bikes in the back of my 2011. I did have to take off the front wheels though.
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you must have a huge mountain bike.
It's big


It's probably manageable but . Interior transport is for long-distance and emergency only so it's more just a reality check. Otherwise it seems there is pretty good volume in there. I'm more worried about damage to the bike than the car (when it's my car.)

I realize I'll have to give up some cubic feet for a quick/fun car. The new Impreza seems as good as or better in the cargo department. I'm hoping this translates over to the next WRX 5-door... but at the same time I don't want it to be shaped like that
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P1800ES was a shooting brake, which C30 alludes to somewhat.

But it is closer to a shooting brake than an estate/station wagon, and certainly not a sedan/saloon, nor a coupe like the P1800S
From all the definitions I have seen a "shooting brake' would include just about all station wagons.

Wikipedia(yea, I know)...
"Shooting-brake originated as an early 19th century British term for a vehicle used to carry shooting parties with their equipment and game. The term brake was initially a chassis used to break-in horses—and was subsequently used to describe a motorized vehicle."
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From all the definitions I have seen a "shooting brake' would include just about all station wagons.

Wikipedia(yea, I know)...
"Shooting-brake originated as an early 19th century British term for a vehicle used to carry shooting parties with their equipment and game. The term brake was initially a chassis used to break-in horses—and was subsequently used to describe a motorized vehicle."
A shooting brake is traditionally a 2-door wagon. Mercedes-Benz, the naming convention serial killers have recently titled their CLS wagon a shooting brake, even though it has 4 doors plus the hatch. Presumably they felt this was OK because the are already calling the CLS 4-door a coupe.

Meanwhile, BMW and Audi followed suit with "4-door coupes" of their own true story.
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For the two or three people in the country who have been following this thread in hopes of seeing a legit wagon version of the WRX caught testing... yet another reason to not get your hopes up:

http://jalopnik.com/5948172/how-the-...ars-and-trucks
That article made me want to cry. I think that CAFE is not the only reason we don't have wagons anymore, but it appears to certainly be a factor.
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Not to take this too far off-topic, but the only wagon I've ever liked is the C30 R-Design:



It just seems like nobody really knows how to make a good looking wagon.
I think Audi has done a fine job over the years. Though too small (and with the wrong engine layout), the A3 is particularly attractive to me.
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For its day, I liked the Pinto wagon...

Actually, I liked the 1972 version with windows and all.
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