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Old 08-26-2012, 10:55 PM   #101
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That "perfectly fitting STI 6 speed shifter" is identical to what can be found on any manual Impreza or XV outside of North America.



and the "perfectly fitting twin tip exhausts" are in obvious hand made bumper cut outs
Subaru's interior design team need to be fired ASAP.
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:12 PM   #102
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Oh, and fingers crossed for a six speed in the standard WRX!

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Old 08-26-2012, 11:14 PM   #103
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I don't get it. The new WRX is supposed to be smaller. The current Impreza has a longer wheelbase. This only makes it worse for rally.
I concur. But since Subaru doesn't give a crap about rally anymore, it actually isn't a criteria for them. And anyway, the WRC has now imposed new rules that has forced manufacturers to use smaller cars still (with smaller engines too).

I've been told that the photos I've linked show a car that would actually gap the bridge between the base Impreza and the WRX in some parts of the world. An Impreza Sport if you'd like. I'm not quite sure what to think of this. But if true, the car would not be turbocharged. It would only use a tuned-up, N/A version of the base engine. I think this is bull****... but I have to admit, it would explain the missing hood scoop (that is clearly present on the STI mule).

Another, more worrying (but very plausible) explanation: The next WRX will NOT get a turbocharged engine. Only the STI will. Food for thought...
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:17 PM   #104
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Although the picture clearly shows a mule for the next WRX or STI (probably the latter), it is clearly dressed in the latest Impreza sheet metal. Body panels will probably look like this (I don't have to point out that this clearly has Impreza body parts):

Although I don't think it is that ugly, I must say I like the current body style better.

It looks like they are gonna go for a twin exhaust on the WRX... and by the look of things, quad on the STI.

As you can see, there's a reason why the exhaust is so low on the test mule. The rear bumper on the WRX is much lower than the Impreza. I wonder what the hell happened to the hood scoop though...

Current Impreza for comparison
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:24 PM   #105
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Guys that mule has markers in the mirrors. Do any MY12 Imprezas come with that?
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:29 PM   #106
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I concur. But since Subaru doesn't give a crap about rally anymore, it actually isn't a criteria for them. And anyway, the WRC has now imposed new rules that has forced manufacturers to use smaller cars still (with smaller engines too).

I've been told that the photos I've linked show a car that would actually gap the bridge between the base Impreza and the WRX in some parts of the world. An Impreza Sport if you'd like. I'm not quite sure what to think of this. But if true, the car would not be turbocharged. It would only use a tuned-up, N/A version of the base engine. I think this is bull****... but I have to admit, it would explain the missing hood scoop (that is clearly present on the STI mule).

Another, more worrying (but very plausible) explanation: The next WRX will NOT get a turbocharged engine. Only the STI will. Food for thought...
Well Subaru is the main sponsor of the R4 cars in PWRC and of course IRC, Rally America and Global Rallycross. The new car would only need to be smaller and use a 1.6T, which is already developed.

While the main focus for STI is the 24 hours of NBR, making the car larger won't help them.
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Old 08-26-2012, 11:45 PM   #107
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Guys that mule has markers in the mirrors. Do any MY12 Imprezas come with that?
Guys, please understand: Mules are almost always a mix and match on the outside... so don't put too much importance on the body. A mule (especially for a variant of a car) is used to test the mechanical side of things. That is why you will find that many photos of mules happen to be taken near a desert somewhere (often times in the US).

They eventually have to test the new specs of the car in extreme scenarios just to make sure that all the parameters will still stay within the expected range. So they run instrumented tests and determine, for instance, if running the A/C at full capacity while putting a lot of stress on the engine will tend to increase cooling loads more than anticipated. Is the firewall insulation still sufficient or is the floor of the car getting too hot with the new engine specs. That sort of things... pretty boring work actually.

So to sum things up: The mule can look very differently from the production version. The engineering team that will have put it together doesn't need it to look like the final product. All they care about is data. That also means that anything mechanical you can see on the car should be pretty close to a final design... because these tests are not performed for the sheer fun of running them.

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Well Subaru is the main sponsor of the R4 cars in PWRC and of course IRC, Rally America and Global Rallycross. The new car would only need to be smaller and use a 1.6T, which is already developed.

While the main focus for STI is the 24 hours of NBR, making the car larger won't help them.
Do not kid yourself: Subaru will not take decisions concerning the design of business critical products based on their participation in lower class motorsport events (by that I mean anything other than the WRC). Actually, is seems the board at Subaru is not really interested in motorsports anymore. It is not a pleasant thing at all. Most of us on here have been attracted to Subaru by their motorsports credential. These days are now gone.

Of course, Subaru's global and regional marketing offices will continue sponsoring teams in lower class series... and might even procure donor cars. But it will not have any bearing on the design unit.

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Old 08-27-2012, 01:26 AM   #108
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Could be interesting...
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Although the picture clearly shows a mule for the next WRX or STI (probably the latter), it is clearly dressed in the latest Impreza sheet metal. Body panels will probably look like this (I don't have to point out that this clearly has Impreza body parts):

Although I don't think it is that ugly, I must say I like the current body style better.

It looks like they are gonna go for a twin exhaust on the WRX... and by the look of things, quad on the STI.

As you can see, there's a reason why the exhaust is so low on the test mule. The rear bumper on the WRX is much lower than the Impreza. I wonder what the hell happened to the hood scoop though...

Current Impreza for comparison
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:34 AM   #110
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Although the picture clearly shows a mule for the next WRX or STI (probably the latter), it is clearly dressed in the latest Impreza sheet metal. Body panels will probably look like this (I don't have to point out that this clearly has Impreza body parts):



Although I don't think it is that ugly, I must say I like the current body style better.



It looks like they are gonna go for a twin exhaust on the WRX... and by the look of things, quad on the STI.


As you can see, there's a reason why the exhaust is so low on the test mule. The rear bumper on the WRX is much lower than the Impreza. I wonder what the hell happened to the hood scoop though...


Current Impreza for comparison

I don't care for the double ridges on all for corners of the bumpers but the rest of car looks pretty good...especially the grill...
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Old 08-27-2012, 03:43 AM   #111
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I think they should do away with the hood "scoop" and replace it with a more subtle hood "vent". Kind of like the evos.
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Old 08-27-2012, 05:31 AM   #112
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Although the picture clearly shows a mule for the next WRX or STI (probably the latter), it is clearly dressed in the latest Impreza sheet metal. Body panels will probably look like this (I don't have to point out that this clearly has Impreza body parts):



Although I don't think it is that ugly, I must say I like the current body style better.



It looks like they are gonna go for a twin exhaust on the WRX... and by the look of things, quad on the STI.


As you can see, there's a reason why the exhaust is so low on the test mule. The rear bumper on the WRX is much lower than the Impreza. I wonder what the hell happened to the hood scoop though...
Pretty sure those are renderings, not real photos, adding "STI bits" to the 2012 Impreza. The setting for those photos is Subaru's STI Gallery museum in Japan. Subaru's not going to stick their hallmark model in their public museum before the car's even been announced in a press release.

Oh, here's a little tidbit: notice the STI logo in the wheel center caps changes from traditional Cherry Blossom Red (hot pink) in one pic to gray in the next. Also, the numbers in the posters on the wall are reversed horizontally and the headrests seem to have lost their cutouts when viewed from the rear.

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Hopefully Subaru will take some styling cues from this rendering and make it happen.
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:03 AM   #114
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Pretty sure those are renderings, not real photos, adding "STI bits" to the 2012 Impreza. The setting for those photos is Subaru's STI Gallery museum in Japan. Subaru's not going to stick their hallmark model in their public museum before the car's even been announced in a press release.

Oh, here's a little tidbit: notice the STI logo in the wheel center caps changes from traditional Cherry Blossom Red (hot pink) in one pic to gray in the next. Also, the numbers in the posters on the wall are reversed horizontally and the headrests seem to have lost their cutouts when viewed from the rear.
If it isn't clear to someone that this is a render, it's not worth explaining to them. Also, it looks oh-so bad. As in terrible.
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This is certainly just a drivetrain mule. They're just stress testing the engine and transmission. The body is completely uncovered because they aren't trying to test out new suspension. I think in the near future we'll see more mules with hacked on body parts of the current WRX/STI to test out the new suspension. So the end product is likely similar to the current WRX/STI: an aggressively styled, sporty compact.

Sorry guys, but I don't think the smaller car is coming. Look at what potential competitors are even out in the market in the subcompact range... All of them are based off existing cars and are front wheel drive.
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:27 AM   #116
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The 2013 WRX is already on sale.
There is no official 2013 WRX yet. I've seen the canadian leak page and such, but there is no official word on what it really is.

http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/impreza-wrx/index.html
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Pretty sure those are renderings, not real photos, adding "STI bits" to the 2012 Impreza. The setting for those photos is Subaru's STI Gallery museum in Japan. Subaru's not going to stick their hallmark model in their public museum before the car's even been announced in a press release.

Oh, here's a little tidbit: notice the STI logo in the wheel center caps changes from traditional Cherry Blossom Red (hot pink) in one pic to gray in the next. Also, the numbers in the posters on the wall are reversed horizontally and the headrests seem to have lost their cutouts when viewed from the rear.
No one here is wondering if that is a rendering.
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:36 AM   #118
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You are correct that the black car in this picture is a mule. But the new WRX spied in the article is the real deal.
I bet the hood is the only body panel that is close to what it will actually look like for a wrx/sti.

All one has to do is look at the cutout for the exhausts on the rear bumper to figure out that this is not the body that this fits on. It looks like they took a jigsaw to that thing to make the cutouts, and they only realized after making them that they were too damned big.

lol, bunch of crazy people in this thread going ape**** over a test mule.

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Old 08-27-2012, 09:39 AM   #119
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I'm going with an Impreza GT, small turbo making 200-220hp and 30mpg.
Hoping for this. The lack of power was one of the main reasons I passed on a new Impreza Sport. A practical, fun car that also gets solid mileage would be great.
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I bet the hood is the only body panel that is actually for a wrx/sti.

All one has to do is look at the cutout for the exhausts on the rear bumper to figure out that this is not the body that this fits on. It looks like they took a jigsaw to that thing to make the cutouts, and they only realized after making them that they were too damned big.

lol, bunch of crazy people in this thread going ape**** over a test mule.
The issue is the wheelbase. While everything else is cosmetic, the wheelbase does not fit what has been rumored. The wheelbase in the picture is longer than the current WRX, which makes no sense for rally.

We know it is a mule, but there are details that will carry over.

The 6MT is welcomed.
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There is no official 2013 WRX yet. I've seen the canadian leak page and such, but there is no official word on what it really is.

http://www.subaru.com/vehicles/impreza-wrx/index.html
The Canadian model and US model is basically the same. MY13 is unchanged.

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Sorry guys, but I don't think the smaller car is coming. Look at what potential competitors are even out in the market in the subcompact range... All of them are based off existing cars and are front wheel drive.
I hope it gets smaller, but I don't think so. They wouldn't test on a longer chassis.

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I think they should do away with the hood "scoop" and replace it with a more subtle hood "vent". Kind of like the evos.
The NACA vent just takes in air to reduce engine bay temps. It does not feed an intercooler or intake.

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Do not kid yourself: Subaru will not take decisions concerning the design of business critical products based on their participation in lower class motorsport events (by that I mean anything other than the WRC). Actually, is seems the board at Subaru is not really interested in motorsports anymore. It is not a pleasant thing at all. Most of us on here have been attracted to Subaru by their motorsports credential. These days are now gone.
"The first thing you must understand about our all-new WRX is that we have developed it from the ground up to win in motorsports events. That's why we have focused so heavily on weight issues, not to mention a shorter wheelbase that permits faster, more precise turn-in. Marry that to our proven AWD system, and we think we have a winner," explains our source." - Motor Trend
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No it is 2002
No no it is 2004
Wait maybe it is 2007
It's probably 2010

Every single new iteration that comes out some yahoo thinks his older car will be worth more since the new one is so ugly

News flash folks, that has never happened ever in Subaru-land
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I wasn drawn to Subaru with the 2.5 RS (although I never actually purchased one). I came very close, and was drawn by an affordable car of decent performance with nice steering wheel, shifter, and that's about it. The rest was basic. But those were the two things I would touch all the time.

When the '02 WRX came out, I decided I would buy one, which came in the form of a '05 Saabaru (Wife and house came first). The only reason I bought the Saab was the GM employe pricing. The interior wasn't measurably nicer than the regular WRX.

While I don't want an ugly car, I don't want to have to buy a 35k car because Subaru listens to people thinking they need to benchmark Acura or BMW or whoever in the interior business. I want a bit more tech (bluetooth, good nav option) a well laid out place to sit, and better MPG than current. I don't need more power than the WRX (It's already plenty fast) but 22 MPG of premium get tiring, especially with my wife's 45 mile/day commute. Don't try to outhink the spot Subaru, you know what you do well.
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Some more info on the WRX.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...-wrx-spy-shots

""There are all manner of rumors and conjecture surrounding the development of the next-generation WRX from Subaru, including claims the car will feature an electrically-powered turbocharger and borrow styling from 2011's Advanced Tourer Concept. Though most of these claims are simply speculation, one that’s gaining credence is the name of the vehicle dropping its Impreza tag and being simply labeled the WRX.

The move is aimed at helping the new WRX convey that it is its own distinct model. The car is also expected to feature its own platform, though this will still be largely based on the one residing in the Impreza.

As our latest spy shots reveal, Subaru is already testing its new WRX on public roads, with engineers taking to the extreme heat of California’s Death Valley to put some test mules through their paces.

The mechanical package of the new WRX is hidden in the body of a regular Impreza, though a hood scoop, quad exhaust tips and current-gen WRX wheels give it away. An image of the interior also reveals a six-speed manual transmission.

The new WRX, which should debut sometime late next year as a 2014 model, is expected to make do with a 2.0-liter ‘boxer’ engine, though it’s unclear if a regular turbocharger will be used to boost power or more sophisticated means. This engine will be closely related to the unit in the BRZ, but it will come with its own direct-injection system.

Dropping down to a smaller 2.0-liter displacement from the current model’s 2.5 liters would be advantageous for certain classes of competitive motorsports, as well as being more fuel efficient. Power levels, however, won’t deviate much from the current model’s 265 horsepower, though performance of the car will be improved thanks to a lighter curb weight. A symmetrical all-wheel drive system will remain standard, as should the choice of sedan and hatchback bodystyles.

Expect pricing to rise beyond the current model’s $26,565 sticker now that the BRZ takes up the entry-level performance role. Further down the track a new WRX STI model will also be launched. ""
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They need to hire the kid who did that chop and stick him in the styling department.
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