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Old 08-27-2012, 06:41 PM   #176
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Don't launch a stock car?
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Old 08-27-2012, 06:47 PM   #177
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Don't launch a stock car?
Launch my car all the time. I'm not the best driver out there. 46k on stock clutch but that's what happens when you spend the extra money on the STi. Makes up for lack of driver mod lol.
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Old 08-27-2012, 07:07 PM   #178
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+1 on this. We have an 02wrx with 140k on the motor and trans, its the shop beater and loaner...Zero trans issues and it gets abused.

99% of the failures I see are related to poor maintenance, lack of fluid due to unchecked leaks, clutch dumps, inability to fully depress clutch pedal, forcing into gear or not rev matching. Syncros seem to go first followed by complete failure of gear(s).

We have a customer with an 03 wrx running fully built, cams, headers, etc. the works and a dom4 turbo. ZERO trans issues...

I'm not saying the transmissions don't have weaker links then their big brothers but I am saying that driver mod seems to play a MAJOR role here.

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All this tranny talk. You'd think there were a bunch of cross dressers in here.

My purchased new 2002 Bugeye is on stock transmission, stock internals and stock turbo. Coming up on 130,000 miles, 50K of those on a stage 2+. Multiple championships in multiple disciplines, year after year. The car is on display and performing at pretty much every local event. I've never had an issue, knock on wood.

I've heard a lot of flak about "glass trannys" but nary a mention of the massive amount of mods and boosted horsepower and SEVERE LACK of DRIVER MOD.

Everyone looking for a scapegoat when they should be looking in the mirror. The car didn't mod itself, it didn't launch itself with 5000 rpm clutch dumps and it sure as heck didn't miss shifts and break shift forks trying to jam the next gear.

OWN UP people.
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Old 08-27-2012, 07:20 PM   #179
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Launch my car all the time. I'm not the best driver out there. 46k on stock clutch but that's what happens when you spend the extra money on the STi. Makes up for lack of driver mod lol.
This! I miss my STI so much right now. No going back, though!
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Old 08-27-2012, 07:21 PM   #180
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Well, not to totally defend the 5MT, because I think it's still an inferior design that Subaru has limped along with incremental updates for 20+ years (it originates from the Leone 4MT!), but it's not TERRIBLE. Terrible is an original GM 4L60E before they got the electronic controls perfected!


I really only know of one person up here who has... tested (read: abused, put through it's paces) the 5MT as thoroughly (if not more!) as I have. I've found niggles, fixed a few and cope with the rest.
  • Burned up a center diff? No problem. (RS 5MT)
  • Anyone exploded a center differential and cracked the case? Got the parts to prove it. (WRX 06)
  • Rolled off ALL the teeth on 2nd gear? Yep, that too. (RS 5MT)
  • Launch at 5000+ RPM? Just about every time. (RS, 05 LGT and WRX 06)
  • Broken a clutch fork? That was easy! (RS 5MT)
They take most of the abuse that I throw at 'em and fail occasionally. I choose to stick with the 5MT because the ratios are better for my purposes and they're cheap to replace and rebuild.

Since switching to an 06 WRX driveline, the only failure has been a center differential that exploded and cracked the tailshaft housing. It's a superior design evolution with a better case, better clutch engagement system and wider (LGT/RA/STI whatever) spec gears. Anyone that's been around it, seen it run or ridden in it knows that the car isn't treated gingerly.

I also ran the Legacy 5MT (4.11:1) with a multitude of turbo setups, culminating in the GT30 rotated setup. Certainly not a light car with way more power than was necessary, the 5MT still had no complaints and is still going quite nicely.


Moral of the story? Pick a driveline that suits your needs, match it with an appropriate clutch and drive it properly. If you want it to last, drive like it.

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Old 08-27-2012, 08:04 PM   #181
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Old 08-27-2012, 08:29 PM   #182
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A much clearer picture painted now after the air settled a bit. Thanks for everyone's input. I have to say, I didn't know anything about Jake's bug eye loosing a transmission back in the day. I was living on the south peninsula in those days. I was bike racing in those days and not in AKIC daily. Cant say I ever heard that story. I hold Jake in high esteem too but NO ONE is infallible and I'd venture to say he would admit to having a hand in the failure.

It just seems that people call the '02-'05 the glass tranny without quantifying it. Like it is going to break if you blow your breath on it or something. I've missed plenty of shifts, rushed down shifts, smoked clutches on launches etc. but the stock transmission is still performing well in my car. Extra S helped mine a lot and regular changing of fluids prolongs it's life.

To each their own. See y'all on the track!
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Old 08-27-2012, 09:01 PM   #183
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thanks for the input everyone
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Old 08-27-2012, 10:30 PM   #184
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Chinese Initial D movie, full feature length and of course english subbed.
It's actually not too bad.
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Old 08-27-2012, 10:37 PM   #185
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イニシャル Inital D (Motion Picture) - YouTube

Chinese Initial D movie, full feature length and of course english subbed.
It's actually not too bad.
i have it on bluray. so good. the stunt driving is very well done
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Old 08-27-2012, 11:13 PM   #186
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イニシャル Inital D (Motion Picture) - YouTube

Chinese Initial D movie, full feature length and of course english subbed.
It's actually not too bad.
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i have it on bluray. so good. the stunt driving is very well done
Bought this when it first came out. Been a huge Initial D fan over the years. I still follow the Manga as it gets translated to this day. There are rumors of a new anime coming out, possibly a stage 5? I can't really recall where they ended stage 4, but they are almost at the conclusion of Project D in the English translated manga.
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:13 AM   #187
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Terrible is an original GM 4L60E before they got the electronic controls perfected!
LOL! What was it - five - before you had Top Jimmy build the bullet-proof 4L60? Then the weak link became the rear diff - BOOM!
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Old 08-28-2012, 12:51 AM   #188
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Stage 4 ended with the main character choosing to race rather than continue seeing his gf. Made is father proud!
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:47 AM   #189
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All this tranny talk. You'd think there were a bunch of cross dressers in here.

My purchased new 2002 Bugeye is on stock transmission, stock internals and stock turbo. Coming up on 130,000 miles, 50K of those on a stage 2+. Multiple championships in multiple disciplines, year after year. The car is on display and performing at pretty much every local event. I've never had an issue, knock on wood.

I've heard a lot of flak about "glass trannys" but nary a mention of the massive amount of mods and boosted horsepower and SEVERE LACK of DRIVER MOD.

Everyone looking for a scapegoat when they should be looking in the mirror. The car didn't mod itself, it didn't launch itself with 5000 rpm clutch dumps and it sure as heck didn't miss shifts and break shift forks trying to jam the next gear.

OWN UP people.

Drag racing is completely harder on a transmission than cone chasing. Sadly most people drag racing need the driver mod.

After some of the AWD launches I have seen at the track, that runs true...and not just for the Subarus.
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:03 AM   #190
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for those with the driver mod, how exactly should awd be launched? dumping the clutch seems to be the n00b thing and bad thing to do?
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:11 AM   #191
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for those with the driver mod, how exactly should awd be launched? dumping the clutch seems to be the n00b thing and bad thing to do?
Hmm.. rev to about 6ish and drop it like it's hot? That is what seems to work for me. Guess i'm a noob?
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:13 AM   #192
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for those with the driver mod, how exactly should awd be launched? dumping the clutch seems to be the n00b thing and bad thing to do?
It's different for every car, but bouncing the RPM's from 5500-7000 and quick slipping has worked for years for me.
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:19 AM   #193
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"quick slipping" qwik please shead the light.

eric not everyone has STi's or EVOs
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:20 AM   #194
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Old 08-28-2012, 04:25 AM   #195
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Drag racing is completely harder on a transmission than cone chasing.
Have you ever seen Henry launch his STI during auto X….It is brutal.

I shudder for that car almost as bad as that car shudders leaving the line.

I've drag raced plenty in my day QWIK….I just don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

I'd rather bring something purpose built for such a narrow focused "race" Something that won't tear itself apart after a dozen passes in a single night.

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A 750 Triple two stroke. In the nines!

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A super gas comp car. In the sevens.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:10 PM   #196
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Interesting, there are 4 Evos on CL at the moment.
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Old 08-28-2012, 01:31 PM   #197
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i have it on bluray. so good. the stunt driving is very well done
I watched it on Netflix and really enjoyed it.

I always wanted to watch the Bonus episodes. They weren't on Netflix. I was thinking of restarting the show and watching from the beginning.

Never thought to read the manga. I still haven't finished reading Book 1 of my Phantom manga I bought about 5 years ago. Or even my Cable & Deadpool comic collection...
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Old 08-28-2012, 02:35 PM   #198
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I actually have the clutch just below the catch point when I launch.. I know the RS torque band is roughly 4000 rpms, I rev above that, quick release the clutch when the tach is on the way down and mash the the throttle.

But who knows..maybe I'm doing it all wrong. LOL
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:06 PM   #199
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"quick slipping" qwik please shead the light.

eric not everyone has STi's or EVOs
Sit at the clutch engagement point. Let out enough to engage, floor it with the foot still on the clutch. Feel car go forward...let off.

A lot different Than just revving and coming right off the clutch.
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Old 08-28-2012, 03:07 PM   #200
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Have you ever seen Henry launch his STI during auto X….It is brutal.

I shudder for that car almost as bad as that car shudders leaving the line.

I've drag raced plenty in my day QWIK….I just don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

I'd rather bring something purpose built for such a narrow focused "race" Something that won't tear itself apart after a dozen passes in a single night.

Something like….

A 750 Triple two stroke. In the nines!

OR

A super gas comp car. In the sevens.
Ive enjoyed this broken record for the past 4 years.
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