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Old 09-04-2002, 07:54 PM   #1
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Default UTEC GUI Programmers.... your call to arms!!!

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Just wanted to start a roll-call thread... and maybe have some suggestions as for a meeting place on the web to through all our stuff =)

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Old 09-04-2002, 08:00 PM   #2
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OK-

Just wanted to start a roll-call thread... and maybe have some suggestions as for a meeting place on the web to through all our stuff =)

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eh?

whats the plan here?
some group project?

any lone developer should be able to cook up a VB or Java GUI for the sucker pretty quick.

Id do it if I was getting paid

or for a free UTEC


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Old 09-04-2002, 08:08 PM   #3
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Old 09-04-2002, 08:09 PM   #4
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Old 09-04-2002, 08:15 PM   #5
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SORRY probably shouldnt have put GUI to each his own... im all about a shell

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Old 09-04-2002, 08:49 PM   #6
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ok.. for every 100 posts you owe me a royalty on the "call to arms!!!" name

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Old 09-04-2002, 08:52 PM   #7
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data logging would greatly benefit from a gui
as it is now I would feel compelled to import the data to excel

something that SHOULD be left as an option if a GUI was developed of course.

and a gui would make tuning much much easier

dragging around points on a graph is more fun than typing numbers in a billion cells
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Old 09-04-2002, 09:03 PM   #8
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Id do it if I was getting paid

or for a free UTEC


=)
Me too! TurboXS do you hear me!?!?!?!?
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Old 09-04-2002, 09:09 PM   #9
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Id do it if I was getting paid
or for a free UTEC
=)
i know you're joking, but that's a selfish additude. someone will come along and do it without asking for money, and it will be much appreciated. someone needs to create the first version of a shell that can be improved upon, however.
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Old 09-04-2002, 09:57 PM   #10
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What's wrong with being selfish? We all want to make some money in this world.

Over on the other side of the fence, Rich and I have already begun work on this project. Send either of us your feature ideas and suggestions and we'll get it all organized. Rich's I-Club name is 'digitaltekniq'. We will probably eventually setup a web site for the project and make it all a little more formal. I know it will be .Net, but we're undecided on C# vs. VB. I want to go VB, and he wants C#. I guess we'll just have to box it out. If you haven't used VB in VS.NET yet, it's pure joy. It's by far the best IDE I've ever used.

Drop me a line if you want to get involved. No, we're not going to pay anything.

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Old 09-04-2002, 10:09 PM   #11
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Oh yeah we're designing this thing in the standard nTier style. So throwing a GUI on it vs. creating a console app will be trivial once we have the data abstraction layer done.

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Old 09-04-2002, 11:53 PM   #12
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I would try to do it in vb not vb.net that way people dont have to dl and install the entire .net framework if they are using win9x or win3k. Just a thought.

Hell do it in perl if your l33t nuff. If turboxs will send me a test model ill do up a perl or vb interface.

Other wise ill just stick to hacking the tec2 software
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Old 09-05-2002, 12:05 AM   #13
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You don't have to worry about re-dist any more than you did with VBRUN based applications.

In any case, win16 based clients will have a hard time with any application these days - and .NET wont run on anything as a client under Win98. If you can implement something for people on this OS then please let us know, we can share learnings and techniques.

Like JD said - re-use in a console application would be simple to produce - the majority of the effort involved is parsing the command args.

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Old 09-05-2002, 01:08 AM   #14
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... I love how people are taking something thats portable ... and making it not portable ... thats an improvement.

stick with the telnet guys ... develop your own guis for playback
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Old 09-05-2002, 05:31 AM   #15
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im just gonna work on a open source shell... cause thats where the portability lies.. and besides im sick of everything running in windows only
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Old 09-05-2002, 05:58 AM   #16
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Ya'll hear that?


We're usin' code names.


May, you tekki types are scary with your "IT code".


More power to ya'! Thanks for stepping in to try to make this easier for the masses. Have some fun along the way.
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Old 09-05-2002, 07:16 AM   #17
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I do this kind of thing every day for a living, it's called 'Legacy Extension', and it's my specialty. I take terminal-based (VT100, TN3270, whatever) applications, either UNIX or Mainframe, and make them talk COM, CORBA, or SOAP. At that point, developing a GUI front end for the application, or integrating it with other applications, becomes a trivial matter. There are specialized tools available on the market that allow you to quickly develop a GUI front-end to a terminal application, but they are very expensive. There are also tools that will allow VB, C, or Java to 'screen scrape' VT100 and other terminals quite easily, but are also somewhat expensive and not as good as the stand-alone tools. Other options are using scripting languages built into some good commercial terminal emulators. While this might make the process of mapping, logging, reloading maps easier, the final result would hardly be a replacement for a full fledged GUI. Writing an app without the specialized tools to help 'screen scrape'? Sure, it's doable, I've done it when the tools available didn't allow for VT100 scraping. Is it hard? No, just tedious, but certainly doable. I volunteered to help out when I first saw that the UTEC was using a VT100 terminal interface.

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Old 09-05-2002, 07:17 AM   #18
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Isn't that exactly what they are doing? I think all anyone is wanting to do is build a GUI front-end to the telnet interface.

Also, the only gain I see from a GUI is on the data logging side. For generating the maps, give me the pure text version ANY DAY. However, some nice GUI windows for individual data lines would be nice. I'd say the way to go is build the ground layer (customized serial wrappers specifically for the UTEC) and let the individual choose their requirements from there. Then the non tech types could pick and choose from those that give theirs out.

The fact that all of this is non-profit should subside all criticism IMO.

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Old 09-05-2002, 08:25 AM   #19
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Sheese. Why don't the people making the VTEC just put a web server on the chip along with a IP implementation and an Ethernet port. The thing would have a 10 address (like 10.0.0.3) or similar. Then you plug a cat 5 cable into the board and the other end into your ethernet port on your laptop (use a crossover cable). Then you browse to the 10 address and use either IIS or Netscape to configure the VTEC. The user doesn't have to have any special client software on the PC. If you think this sounds a little crazy, it is this sort of thing that is going on with a lot of devices including cell phones. My nextel phone as an IP address and you can download java applications onto the phone. It's not browser based on the cell phone, but the idea is the same. Shoot, put a bluetooth interface on the thing.

Note that if it can communicate via RS232 (I'm guessing here) then as an alternative, you might get the manufacturer to replace that with an ethernet port and/or some sort of bluetooth interface. Then you put the micro-unix kernel on the chip. Note that since this thing is a computer already, it is running some sort of OS and it very well may be linux/unix based or WinCe.....
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im very, very confused.
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Old 09-05-2002, 08:33 AM   #21
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Sheese. Why don't the people making the VTEC just put a web server on the chip along with a IP implementation and an Ethernet port. The thing would have a 10 address (like 10.0.0.3) or similar. Then you plug a cat 5 cable into the board and the other end into your ethernet port on your laptop (use a crossover cable). Then you browse to the 10 address and use either IIS or Netscape to configure the VTEC. The user doesn't have to have any special client software on the PC. If you think this sounds a little crazy, it is this sort of thing that is going on with a lot of devices including cell phones. My nextel phone as an IP address and you can download java applications onto the phone. It's not browser based on the cell phone, but the idea is the same. Shoot, put a bluetooth interface on the thing.

Note that if it can communicate via RS232 (I'm guessing here) then as an alternative, you might get the manufacturer to replace that with an ethernet port and/or some sort of bluetooth interface. Then you put the micro-unix kernel on the chip. Note that since this thing is a computer already, it is running some sort of OS and it very well may be linux/unix based or WinCe.....
The ecm's name is UTEC, we're talking Subarus not Hondas

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Old 09-05-2002, 09:33 AM   #22
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As a professional I honestly think you guys might be wasting your time reinventing the wheel with this. From what I have seen the console GUI seemed do the job just fine and you're just going to over complicate things and introduce bugs and problems into a very working interface.

Some of you guys are too much with the suggestions of running webservers. ethernet ports and bluetooth. Does this run Linux too??
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i know you're joking, but that's a selfish additude. someone will come along and do it without asking for money, and it will be much appreciated. someone needs to create the first version of a shell that can be improved upon, however.
im not joking
and since when is doing work for money selfish?
do you live in the woods?


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if you monkeys want to do work for TurboXS for free go ahead. I have no problem with that.
I have better things to do with my time.

but don't call me selfish!
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Old 09-05-2002, 10:49 AM   #24
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Guys guys guys!

Look, I personally - and I am not speaking for JD here, are doing this for a bit of fun, if you don't like the idea, that's cool - stick with what you're happy with. If people like the idea, and they like what the app does at the end of the day, wonderful - we've made someone happy.

As for the portability people out there - JD and myself are happier in an MS environment than a Linux environment, or a Mac environment. If someone else wants to write something for those OS's then, great - please go ahead, we will completely defer to them because we don't have the expertise in those OS's to produce a good quality application. We can share the core ideas though.

As for the "do it in Telnet/Hyperterminal/whatever" people - yes, we can do that, some of us like GUI's, and again, this is a bit of fun to build on top of the existing functionality of the VT100 based interface.

This seems to be generating more of an argument instead of an honest open discussion of tools which might make something which is already cool, more fun. Seems every thread goes this way on I-CLUB now.

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I have no idea what yall are talking about
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