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Old 08-31-2012, 11:10 PM   #1
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Default HELP ME CHOOSE A CAR:) 96' Legacy Outback or OBS

Hey guys,

My name is Chase. Not really that new to the forum but definitely fairly new to Subarus in general, long time fan but haven't owned one yet. My gf and I just moved to Clifton Park in NY about 2 weeks ago from Hawaii, yes i know you must be doing this :rolleyes4 right now, everyone is so baffled when we tell them that lol.

But anyways ill get to the point. Were here and we obviously need a car so I've been searching for the right subie for months now and just recently narrowed it down to 3 cars within 200 miles of where we are, I've literally looked into at least 50 since we've got here so getting it down to 3 wasn't easy. The original plan was to get a swapped wagon or a 02-03 wrx. But since we can't get a loan here right now our budget has changed so i started looking into n/a legacys and l/obs wagons. I found 2 that I like so I wanted to post them up for you guys to see so i can get some opinions and help. We NEED to get one of these tomorrow because my gf has already been working and I start my new job on the 4th, can't be having her mom guys drive us around anymore, too damn stressful.

Here they are..

This one is a1996 Legacy Outback, 2.5l with 167k, auto, ac, pwr windows, new enkei wheels with new tires (less than 3.5k on them), new pads f&r, new all season tires on factory wheels, had a full tune up, new pioneer hu, emissions exempt. Only flaws are cosmetic, one quarter panel rust bubble, a dent below the rear driver side tail light and another dent below that one on the rear bumper. Other than that the car is clean in and out. Currently owned by a auto detailer, said he brought his mechanic with him when he bought the car, also said that all the maintenance has been done. On the phone he stressed that "the car NEEDS NOTHING". Price for this is $3000.
















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Old 08-31-2012, 11:10 PM   #2
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Heres the obs, not sure what year, forgot to ask. Its a obs that was painted black although the door jams and engine bay weren't painted. 206k on the motor, 5spd, ac, lowered, act clutch, carbon fiber scoop, aftermarket wing, momo steering wheel and shift knob, new o-z prodrive wheels and tires, aftermarket muffler (from the sticker on the window I'm guessing Tanabe), tinted and black headlights and corners. He said it runs and drives like new. Owned by a auto mechanic who built it, previous owner was a engineer. Another "NEEDS NOTHING", only flaw he spoke of was a squeaky hatch when on bumpy roads LOL. Maintenance was done etc.. Price on this is $4500.









The legacy is only a hour away but the obs is 3-4 hours away so id have to take a train to buy that one ($25).

I feel like I've yapped about this enough so ill just let the comments flow already. Opinions, ideas, suggestions are all welcome, also let me know what you think about the prices.

Thanks in advance!
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Old 08-31-2012, 11:54 PM   #3
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What engine does the obs have?? 2.2 or 2.5?? Check with the legacy owner about when the headgaskets were done last(if at all). 2.5 engines are notorious for headgasket failure. But that obs looks really nice though. I havent seen one like it around me so that obs has the cool factor going for it.....hope my ranting helps. Im not a subaru genius by any means but i can always help
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Old 09-01-2012, 12:06 AM   #4
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I don't think that those OBS's came with anything other than a 2.2. 2.2 is a very rock solid engine that-if maintenance was kept up on-should be a dead reliable vehicle. It does not have the inherent head gasket problem like the first five or so years that the EJ25s did. However, it has the same timing belt interval. You'd have to absolutely make sure that the OBS has had the timing belt and timing idlers done, or else be ready to do them in less than 4k miles, because 210k miles is the book mileage for the second timing job. This is definitely not something that can be put off-if the belt breaks, chances are very very good that the valves will bend and pistons/heads will be FUBAR'd. So...make sure that has been done.

The fact that the OBS was owned by a mechanic may mean something or nothing at all, depending on if he was a good mechanic or not. Nice looking car though.

Edit: As far as prices, that Legacy sounds reasonable...the Impreza seems a bit high.
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Old 09-01-2012, 12:36 AM   #5
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What engine does the obs have?? 2.2 or 2.5?? Check with the legacy owner about when the headgaskets were done last(if at all). 2.5 engines are notorious for headgasket failure. But that obs looks really nice though. I havent seen one like it around me so that obs has the cool factor going for it.....hope my ranting helps. Im not a subaru genius by any means but i can always help
Its a 2.2. Yes ill definitely ask him, thanks for that tip! I knew that the 2.5s had something weird like that going on but couldn't remember what it was. And yeah the obs is pretty nice, would be nicer if it had some mechanical upgrades though and not all cosmetic but hey some are better than none. Thanks again for your "rant"

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I don't think that those OBS's came with anything other than a 2.2. 2.2 is a very rock solid engine that-if maintenance was kept up on-should be a dead reliable vehicle. It does not have the inherent head gasket problem like the first five or so years that the EJ25s did. However, it has the same timing belt interval. You'd have to absolutely make sure that the OBS has had the timing belt and timing idlers done, or else be ready to do them in less than 4k miles, because 210k miles is the book mileage for the second timing job. This is definitely not something that can be put off-if the belt breaks, chances are very very good that the valves will bend and pistons/heads will be FUBAR'd. So...make sure that has been done.

The fact that the OBS was owned by a mechanic may mean something or nothing at all, depending on if he was a good mechanic or not. Nice looking car though.

Edit: As far as prices, that Legacy sounds reasonable...the Impreza seems a bit high.
For sure gonna ask if that has been done, with 200k it better have been done and done twice! If not then ill tell him to go down on the price, i plan on offering him 4k anyways so yeah and i might see if 2800 gets the legacy. And yeah i know what you mean, he said he's a subaru lover so thats a plus i guess, sometimes the way i look at it is that if someone is willing to do work on or add to their car like that then they must care about it. As far as price for the obs what do you think is a good number or what would you pay?

Also it was brought to my attention from a friend that the 5spd obs has a 50/50 torque split vs the legacy 90/10 f-r. That actually might be the deciding factor here..

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Old 09-01-2012, 12:56 AM   #6
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I think 4k for the OBS is pretty fair. It looks to be in great condition-I don't see any quarter panel rust, and the high miles are really inconsequential for the EJ22. I wouldn't pay over 4k for it, though. Oh also, the weird hoodscoop subtracts $500 right there.
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Old 09-01-2012, 01:40 AM   #7
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haha yeah that scoop is definitely more than i prefer but hey, if i do get it and swap in a wrx motor it would become functional!
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The ECU in the 96 Outback is tuned for premium from what I've read. But that is as easy as swapping the ECU from a 97-99 to take care of. The other thing is that Outback has the engine know for having head gasket failures. Make sure that was taken care of and he has receipts for it. Preferably with OEM head gaskets.

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Old 09-02-2012, 12:43 AM   #9
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The ECU in the 96 Outback is tuned for premium from what I've read. But that is as easy as swapping the ECU from a 97-99 to take car of. The other thing is that Outback has the engine know for having head gasket failures. Make sure that was taken care of and he has receipts for it. Preferably with OEM head gaskets.
Dang! The '96s want premium!? I just looked that up and it appears that you are correct.
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Old 09-02-2012, 05:56 PM   #10
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The OBS no brainier it a manual
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Old 09-04-2012, 03:05 PM   #11
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Yeah theres been too many cons mentioned for the outback so thats no longer an option..

Alright so i made an offer of $4k for the obs. He said for $4k i can't have it with the oz wheels and that he would slap on a set of wrx wheels with fairly new tires, i can choose from 3 different colors, white, black and something else i forgot, all are powder coated.

Whatya think?

Its either this or I'm gonna pick up a mildly modded 03 legacy sedan for my gf and just wait to find the right obs/l wagon.
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