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Old 03-30-2013, 06:10 PM   #126
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I think he wiped a bearing at time attack a couple weeks ago. It was on Facebook. At least I think it was the same car.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:40 AM   #127
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I think he wiped a bearing at time attack a couple weeks ago. It was on Facebook. At least I think it was the same car.
lol nope not me.

I did take it to the drag strip once on my 275 wide super soft compound time attack tires. I was spinning through 4 gears and it was super sketchy. I had so much wheel spin I wasn't making more than 14 psi through most of the first 3 gears. My best was a mid 10 and then a driveline part failed while spinning at the top of 4th gear and I hit the wall. We have the car pretty much fixed up. It needs an alignment and a few other odds and ends, but I haven't driven it since then (December).

As you can see I was doing two big burnouts and the car was still spinning straight into the limiter in the first 3 gears.

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We did test the engine and it's fine for another shot at this. I got a new rear LSD and I'm waiting for shims to install it. I updated my front axles, had my stock legacy rotors drilled for 5X114.3 so I can put stock legacy brakes on the front to fit 16" wheels. I got a set of dual bolt patten 16" wheels and swapped my QTPs over to them. They're the tires I used in 2007 so they're real old and they've gone below freezing temp every winter so I hope they aren't total junk.

We got slammed with the spring rush recently so time to work on my projects is really scarce, but I hope to give this one more shot before we get the car ready for the time attack season which is fast approaching.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:56 AM   #128
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Wow crazy... What was the trap speed?
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:59 AM   #129
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:15 AM   #130
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:33 AM   #131
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Wow crazy... What was the trap speed?
ET and trap speed both suffered because like I said I was spinning bad enough that I couldn't build normal boost. In the first three gears as soon as it made normal boost the car spun straight into the limiter and boost fell to about 14 psi where it stayed until I shifted and the same thing happened again in the next gear. 10.65 at 132 with a 1.688 60' was the best pass and then I crashed. If I cut a high 1.4X 60' like I did in 2007 and have some grip in 2nd-5th gears on the QTPs I'll get what I'm looking for.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:44 AM   #132
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:03 PM   #133
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I forgot we've never had to put 16" wheels on a Subaru with 5X114.3 hubs and I wrongly assumed this wouldn't be a big deal.

My legacy rotors don't clear the 5x114.3 STI hub diameter and there isn't enough material on the rotor to machine the rotor out.

Then one of my techs listened to the internet and got me exited for nothing. It tells you the only difference in the front strut to knuckle fitment between 5X114.3 and 5X100 setups is the width where the strut attaches to the knuckle. That's not the only difference. The bolt spacing is also different. The 5X100 knuckle isn't tall enough so adding a hole isn't an option.

Essentially I can't put my legacy brakes on the 5x114.3 hubs/knuckles and I can't put my 5x100 hubs/knuckles back on the car because they don't attach to my struts. There's also an axle issue, but I have a set of WRX axles to get around that.

It looks like I'll either get the AMS small brake kit or some WRX 4 pots with my current 2 piece rotors modified (disks turned down). One disk got grooved badly in the crash, but it will be fine for drag use.

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Old 04-02-2013, 01:10 AM   #134
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That is a cool picture! For some reason it looks like a scale model. Probably taken from far perspective of course.
It's called tilt-shift photography.
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Old 04-02-2013, 10:48 AM   #135
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It's called tilt-shift photography.
Thats pretty amazing. Is it a style or kind of camera used?

Keep up the good work mike, maybe when my car is done i can get a ride.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:13 AM   #136
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Mike, what about a older svx rotor? Im using a custom bracket, nissan 92 300zx twinturbo aluminum front calipers, with a svx rotor 316/28mm. we redrilled them for 5x100 but they come 5x114.3. built this setup for snow use with 16" rims. works better the 4pots and have a bit more heat dispersion.

Just a option.

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I forgot we've never had to put 16" wheels on a Subaru with 5X114.3 hubs and I wrongly assumed this wouldn't be a big deal.

My legacy rotors don't clear the 5x114.3 STI hub diameter and there isn't enough material on the rotor to machine the rotor out.

Then one of my techs listened to the internet and got me exited for nothing. It tells you the only difference in the front strut to knuckle fitment between 5X114.3 and 5X100 setups is the width where the strut attaches to the knuckle. That's not the only difference. The bolt spacing is also different. The 5X100 knuckle isn't tall enough so adding a hole isn't an option.

Essentially I can't put my legacy brakes on the 5x114.3 hubs/knuckles and I can't put my 5x100 hubs/knuckles back on the car because they don't attach to my struts. There's also an axle issue, but I have a set of WRX axles to get around that.

It looks like I'll either get the AMS small brake kit or some WRX 4 pots with my current 2 piece rotors modified (disks turned down). One disk got grooved badly in the crash, but it will be fine for drag use.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:27 AM   #137
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One of my techs said he'd lend me his wrx 4 pots. They're already off his car while it gets painted. I'm working on a place to turn my STI diameter rotors down to fit them.


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Thats pretty amazing. Is it a style or kind of camera used?

Keep up the good work mike, maybe when my car is done i can get a ride.
If you're talking about the shot of my car on the road course with the Viper Cup car, a customer took that from the stands with a cell phone camera.

The passenger seat area is occupied by the dry sump tank, intercooler, exhaust etc. so sorry there's no rides in this beast.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:37 AM   #138
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If you're talking about the shot of my car on the road course with the Viper Cup car, a customer took that from the stands with a cell phone camera.

The passenger seat area is occupied by the dry sump tank, intercooler, exhaust etc. so sorry there's no rides in this beast.
Lol ya as big as i am that probably wouldnt work.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:49 AM   #139
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I found a machine shop to do it. They're going to try and have them done this week.
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Old 04-04-2013, 03:11 AM   #140
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lol nope not me.
oops. sorry bout that.

someone on facebook that was doing one of these high hp stock short block cars had a failure. they made em do circles for 3 minutes or something like that and they had a bearing failure.

too many internetz to keep track of
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:21 PM   #141
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oops. sorry bout that.

someone on facebook that was doing one of these high hp stock short block cars had a failure. they made em do circles for 3 minutes or something like that and they had a bearing failure.

too many internetz to keep track of
I see what you're confusing. I took my almost stock 97 Legacy GT to an ice race and spun a bearing during an exercise that involved powersliding around a cone for almost 3 minutes. It makes very little power (150 ish). It just has an intake and a stock exhaust from a newer car.

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Old 04-05-2013, 10:58 AM   #142
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The rotor diameter was machined down, but the friction surface is too wide for the caliper so that needs machined down too. We still have to swap all the 5x114 parts back on the car, align it etc. so this weekend is probably out.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:10 AM   #143
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With your new dyno setting your dyno reads like a dynojet, correct? How much does your car weight? what is your redline? are you going to push the setup a little harder? I wonder how much wtq the stock rods can take...
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:22 AM   #144
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A Supra still read ~900 wheel HP on a Dynojet and ~800 here with correction, but lower HP cars i.e. 300 HP seem to read similar to a Dynojet. Mine is somewhere in between that HP range so who knows. It makes 5XX wheel HP at 20-22 psi and I know it will do 600+ if I turn up the boost and the stock shortblock doesn't fly apart, but I don't plan to go that far.

I don't know what it weighs with the 16" wheel setup, the other brakes, and the front splitter and wing off. We've never done that before.

I will shift around 7000-7100 RPM. Before it was just spinning into the limiter at 7400 ish.

I'll play it by ear in terms of how much power I run. I can probably run a high 10 on 14 psi, low 10 on 20 ish psi and then if things are going well I may get greedy.
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Old 04-09-2013, 02:15 PM   #145
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I sent the rotors to a second machine shop which I've only used for flywheel resurfacing in the past. They must have a monkey working there because we got a call that the rotor width was already smaller than what we wanted. They're back to us now and we measured with multiple calipers and we were right. What a waste of a few days.

Tomorrow morning I'm driving them back to the shop that performed the diameter reduction so they can turn them. Hopefully Thursday I'll be picking them up so we can put the brakes together, put the 16s on to confirm no other fitment issues, start the engine and make sure the injectors work after cleaning, then check the brakes. We still need to swap the diff and a few other things.

If it's ready for Saturday and the track is open I'm going.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:55 PM   #146
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I think people have under rated what our motors can really do. MY ej22e made 369awhp when she went down on compression.

I hope to push 500awhp on e85.
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Old 04-10-2013, 06:06 PM   #147
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Rotors are done supposedly. I pick them up in the morning. We'll test fit and see what happens.
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:08 AM   #148
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Old 04-11-2013, 01:37 AM   #149
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I forgot we've never had to put 16" wheels on a Subaru with 5X114.3 hubs and I wrongly assumed this wouldn't be a big deal.

My legacy rotors don't clear the 5x114.3 STI hub diameter and there isn't enough material on the rotor to machine the rotor out.

Then one of my techs listened to the internet and got me exited for nothing. It tells you the only difference in the front strut to knuckle fitment between 5X114.3 and 5X100 setups is the width where the strut attaches to the knuckle. That's not the only difference. The bolt spacing is also different. The 5X100 knuckle isn't tall enough so adding a hole isn't an option.

Essentially I can't put my legacy brakes on the 5x114.3 hubs/knuckles and I can't put my 5x100 hubs/knuckles back on the car because they don't attach to my struts. There's also an axle issue, but I have a set of WRX axles to get around that.

It looks like I'll either get the AMS small brake kit or some WRX 4 pots with my current 2 piece rotors modified (disks turned down). One disk got grooved badly in the crash, but it will be fine for drag use.
i had a buddy who was doing a hub conversion have a problem with this.

i have a machine shop at my disposal so what we did was we turned some steel pins, brazed them into the knuckle where you bolt the struts, machined the width of the knuckle to equal the struts he wanted to use, then aseembled everything and marked with a sharpie where the strut bolt holes were, then drilled the holes to match.

a little bit of work but it lined up perfectly. you could save the knuckles doing this.

also i find this build and your updates intrigueing and informative.
i will be starting my fourth motor build for my GC this summer so i'm exploring all the options. i think just buying a brand new shortblock from Subaru and starting from there would be my best bet.

what oil pump are you guys using again?

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Old 04-11-2013, 11:55 AM   #150
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I have all my normal parts on the car now except for the calipers and rotors.

The modified stock STI rotors fit the caliper now and it's just a matter of sorting out spacers to locate the caliper properly. If there's time they'll be working tonight.

I have a 4 stage dry sump system.
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