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Old 09-05-2012, 08:49 PM   #1
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Ford's 1.0-liter EcoBoost turbocharged three-cylinder petrol engine, which is offered in two states of tune in Europe with 99HP (100PS) and 123HP (125PS), may be small in size, but with some tender loving care in the appropriate vehicle, it can prove to be feisty as a cornered cat. The Blue Oval's engineers wanted to display the potential of the EcoBoost engine by modifying the three-cylinder force-fed unit and placing it in a Formula Ford racecar to lap the Nürburgring’s famed Nordschleife circuit.
Ford's engineers were able to tune the engine and lift output to 202-horses (205PS). They then switched it with Formula Ford’s usual 178HP (180PS), 1.6-litre EcoBoost power unit and set out to conquer the Nordschleife.
According to the automaker, the project team also modified the car so it would be fully street legal for on-road use by fitting it with wheel covers, front and rear lights and indicators, aerodynamically designed wing mirrors and a horn.
Power is transferred to the road through a 6-speed manual gearbox and road-legal tires.
With the 202hp 1.0-liter EcoBoost under its hood and racing driver and course specialist Nick Tandy behind the wheel, the Formula Ford model lapped the 'Ring in 7 minutes and 22 seconds to register the 11th fastest time ever on the circuit.
The Formula Ford completed the 20.832 km (12.94 mile) Nordschleife circuit at an average speed of 169 km/h (105 mph).
To put it into perspective, the road-legal Formula Ford beat previously recorded fastest times of many (production and street legal) supercars including the 700 horsepower Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4, the 660 horsepower Ferrari Enzo and the 602 horsepower Pagani Zonda, according to the Blue Oval.
"This little engine has people rubbing their eyes in disbelief," said Nick Tandy, 28. "It’s simply astonishing that a 3-cylinder, one-litre engine can deliver that kind of performance."
The company claims that the car's unofficial top speed is expected to be 255.5 km/h (158.8 mph) with a 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) time of less than four seconds, while delivering 2.4 l/100 km (117mpg UK or 98mpg US) at 56 km/h (35mph), and 5 l/100 km (56.7mpg UK or 47mpg US)) at 120km/h (75 mph).
"We wanted to prove that size doesn’t matter by showing everyone what an amazingly capable engine we have developed in the 1.0-litre EcoBoost," said Roelant de Waard, vice president of Marketing and Sales at Ford of Europe. "What better way than by beating some of the best supercars in the world on the Nordschleife, while using a fraction of the fuel."
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Old 09-05-2012, 09:38 PM   #2
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Yeah, but put it in a 3000lb car....then tell me it's fast.
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Old 09-05-2012, 10:06 PM   #3
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Yeah, but put it in a 3000lb car....then tell me it's fast.
Exactly. I looked around on the web and it seems like curb weight for these cars is less than 1200 lbs (probably closer to 1000 lbs).
The interesting bit is that the engine held together at 202HP (at least long enough to obtain the lap times they were looking for). But, then again, we don't know what they did to it and what kind of fuel they ran it with and so on.
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Old 09-05-2012, 10:43 PM   #4
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Took the new Ecoboost Ford Escape for a drive today to drop off to a dealership after they had dropped it off for a remote starter install.

I must say, for a 1.6L it pulls very nicely would be quite a fun vehicle minus the abundance of recalls they are going through.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:21 PM   #5
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That is pretty impressive for a 1.0l engine, but then again, it is a Formula Ford spec race car. The lack of a rear wing is quite apparent when watching it go around the track, I must say. Regardless, I like the direction they're heading with this development, which is what really matters.
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Old 09-05-2012, 11:52 PM   #6
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Regardless, I like the direction they're heading with this development, which is what really matters.
I mean of course, I didn't mean to downplay the engineering at all. In a Miata (NA gen) that engine would be awesome, but in today's monster sedans I just don't see it. That's great specific output from such a small engine, but I wonder about the torque and how peaky of an engine it is.
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I always thought that a boosted 1 liter would be perfect for super minis and sub compact, he'll even the lighter compacts
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Old 09-06-2012, 01:41 AM   #8
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I always thought that a boosted 1 liter would be perfect for super minis and sub compact, he'll even the lighter compacts
Sure, these liter boosted engines will be replacing n/a 1.4~1.6 liter engines as they provide similar peak power numbers but with more available torque thanks to the turbo.
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The interesting bit is that the engine held together at 202HP (at least long enough to obtain the lap times they were looking for).
A 1.0L engine holding together at 200hp isn't anything remarkable. BMW, Kawasaki, Ducati all make engines that you can go out and buy today that deliver the same.. but without the crappy throttle response and extra weight of a turbo. They're reliable as well.. well, the BMW and Kawasaki are, at least.
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A 1.0L engine holding together at 200hp isn't anything remarkable. BMW, Kawasaki, Ducati all make engines that you can go out and buy today that deliver the same.. but without the crappy throttle response and extra weight of a turbo. They're reliable as well.. well, the BMW and Kawasaki are, at least.
Apples vs oranges bro, despite similar displacement
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A 1.0L engine holding together at 200hp isn't anything remarkable. BMW, Kawasaki, Ducati all make engines that you can go out and buy today that deliver the same.. but without the crappy throttle response and extra weight of a turbo. They're reliable as well.. well, the BMW and Kawasaki are, at least.
It is not fair to compare a motorcycle engine with a car engine.
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They're both 1L, 4 cylinder, 4 cycle engines.. it's perfectly fair. Modern motorcycles have to meet emissions and noise regulations.. more so than a Nurburgring showcase racecar.
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Hey, we put turn a horn, signals and fenders on it so it's a "street car".
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They're both 1L, 4 cylinder, 4 cycle engines.. it's perfectly fair. Modern motorcycles have to meet emissions and noise regulations.. more so than a Nurburgring showcase racecar.
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They're both 1L, 4 cylinder, 4 cycle engines.. it's perfectly fair. Modern motorcycles have to meet emissions and noise regulations.. more so than a Nurburgring showcase racecar.
Yes, that's true, but people usually expect a car engine to produce peak power much sooner that 12K rpm.
Production car engines are expected to produce peak power within two third or half that 12K rpm bike engine redline (give or take 1K rpm).
Car engines also have to deal with higher loads (weight of the car + passengers + cargo).
Motorcycle engines are not usually expected to deal with such loads (less passengers, less cargo, much lighter vehicle weight, less fuel on board, ...).
These things significantly impact the way car engines are designed compared to motorcycle engines.
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Bah.. the Ducati is a 2 cylinder.. the Ford is a 3 cylinder and the BMW & Kawasaki are 4 cylinders. I didn't even make my false statement well.
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Bah.. the Ducati is a 2 cylinder.. the Ford is a 3 cylinder and the BMW & Kawasaki are 4 cylinders. I didn't even make my false statement well.
And the Ducati is actually 1.2L...
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It is not fair to compare a motorcycle engine with a car engine.
Why not?
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Why not?
Because a Car engine needs to make torque, and also needs its peak power to be below 11k rpm, and needs to last 100k or better.

two totally different applications.

take a zx-14 motor and put it in a brz, it makes more peak power then the 2L but sure as hell it wont outperform it.
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has been done, more than once


and a BRZ with a zx-14 engine would outperform a standard BRZ
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has been done, more than once

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE4kqBT8dWo

and a BRZ with a zx-14 engine would outperform a standard BRZ
No it wouldn't. Not if the ZX-14 engine is bolted through the stock BRZ driveline. Think about it and you'll understand why.
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has been done, more than once

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE4kqBT8dWo

and a BRZ with a zx-14 engine would outperform a standard BRZ

please say you are being sarcastic? People are already complaining about lack of tq from the brz and you want to put an even more high strung lower liter engine in it.
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please say you are being sarcastic? People are already complaining about lack of tq from the brz and you want to put an even more high strung lower liter engine in it.
people who owns one? If so, they are stupid and have bought the wrong car!

and the rest who complains but never driven...go **** yourself, buy a Mustang
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The zx14r would be good in something like a brz because of how lightweight it is and the long rev band so you can rev the nuts off it.
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Because a Car engine needs to make torque, and also needs its peak power to be below 11k rpm, and needs to last 100k or better.

two totally different applications.

take a zx-14 motor and put it in a brz, it makes more peak power then the 2L but sure as hell it wont outperform it.
Sez you?

Sport bike motors are often more durable than many cars/trucks. The point of my challenge is that the technology really isn't that different, and it's a fair comparison. Consider an S2k... they're durable, make no torque, and are pretty fast. I think I'd prefer a 'busa motor in a BRZ than what it comes with, honestly.
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