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Old 10-15-2011, 10:29 PM   #1951
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On flat ground you should be able to engage the clutch smoothly with no throttle.

Think about that.
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Old 10-17-2011, 05:47 PM   #1952
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4500 is in a hurry - riding up to 6500. Lately it's been more around 2500
I can see a stock WRX clutch cook after 2000 miles/28 days if you're slipping it out from 4500rpm each time you take off.

Like the other dude said, on flat ground, you can get the car moving without touching the gas pedal.
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Old 10-18-2011, 12:38 PM   #1953
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Yes Loopey, be faster and smoother with your clutch. Sounds like you're riding it too long and not even close to getting in the proper rev range. Try starting off on a flat spot so easy that it almost stalls a few times to let you see how little rpm's you need to get it moving. If you do that you'll notice the gas used to make it work is minimal and then once you get proper engagement you can start being harder on it.
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:34 AM   #1954
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Been about a month with the rebuilt motor, turbo ect. Just under 1k miles since I picked it up.

Still smelling a faint oil smell when parking in the garage. No leaks noticed, been checking oil level with every fuel up, noting date and milage as well as a picture on the oil levels on the stick (just overly cautios).

Runs fine, seems a little weak on the boost, but I havent jumped on it yet. Still haven't pushed it past 5k rpms.

Headed in Monday to the dealer for them to check up on it and change the oil.

Hope this is the end of my spun bearing, "good will" repairs. Thanks Subie for standing behind a bust product - insert sarcasm. Thinking a local news station would love to do a story on a topic like this. Might be time to call in a favor to some media folks, 15 years in the biz I know a few folks.

Oh an it snowed today, not enough to enjoy but it's coming.
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Old 10-28-2011, 12:00 PM   #1955
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"Thanks Subie for standing behind a bust product - insert sarcasm. Thinking a local news station would love to do a story on a topic like this. Might be time to call in a favor to some media folks, 15 years in the biz I know a few folks."

By all means, call them. Tell them how you bought a USED vehicle from a PRIVATE PARTY who failed to disclose to you that he had reflashed the ECU with an aftermarket program. When the engine spun a bearing, Subaru covered the repair under goodwill for you, even though they could have just told you they weren't responsible, you get nothing, too bad, so sad. Go on TV with that story, so everyone in the area will know what an ungrateful arse looks like. Then pray like heck nothing else ever goes wrong, because I doubt Subaru will show you much love after you pull that stunt.
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Old 10-28-2011, 04:33 PM   #1956
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As a prior service manager I've heard that so many times. People think if they spin the truth to the news that something will get done. Truth is the news station calls the business before they ever come out to get both sides of the story. My buddy is the director of the local news station here and there is no way he would waste his time with stuff like this. It happens on a daily basis. People threaten shops constantly with local news stations and how many times do you actually see it on TV? Once every 6 months.... maybe.
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Old 10-28-2011, 08:45 PM   #1957
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Been about a month with the rebuilt motor, turbo ect. Just under 1k miles since I picked it up.

Still smelling a faint oil smell when parking in the garage. No leaks noticed, been checking oil level with every fuel up, noting date and milage as well as a picture on the oil levels on the stick (just overly cautios).

Runs fine, seems a little weak on the boost, but I havent jumped on it yet. Still haven't pushed it past 5k rpms.

Headed in Monday to the dealer for them to check up on it and change the oil.

Hope this is the end of my spun bearing, "good will" repairs. Thanks Subie for standing behind a bust product - insert sarcasm. Thinking a local news station would love to do a story on a topic like this. Might be time to call in a favor to some media folks, 15 years in the biz I know a few folks.

Oh an it snowed today, not enough to enjoy but it's coming.
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By all means, call them. Tell them how you bought a USED vehicle from a PRIVATE PARTY who failed to disclose to you that he had reflashed the ECU with an aftermarket program. When the engine spun a bearing, Subaru covered the repair under goodwill for you, even though they could have just told you they weren't responsible, you get nothing, too bad, so sad. Go on TV with that story, so everyone in the area will know what an ungrateful arse looks like. Then pray like heck nothing else ever goes wrong, because I doubt Subaru will show you much love after you pull that stunt.
All that comes to mind is The truth shall set you free.
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Old 11-01-2011, 01:09 PM   #1958
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Like a lot of people, I am worried about the whole cracked ringland issue on my 2011 wrx. I was just wondering if a mechanic working for a subaru dealership would install forged pistons for me instead of the stock ones if I bought the pistons. It saves Subaru money and I get forged pistons. But they might not since it is not an oem part..
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Old 11-01-2011, 02:00 PM   #1959
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They would probably be open to install; however, they would most likely not be covered by a Subaru Warranty. Should they fail and cause an engine re-build, you could be SOL. You'd then be in a "he said - she said" conundrum.
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Old 11-06-2011, 04:22 AM   #1960
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"Thanks Subie for standing behind a bust product - insert sarcasm. Thinking a local news station would love to do a story on a topic like this. Might be time to call in a favor to some media folks, 15 years in the biz I know a few folks."

By all means, call them. Tell them how you bought a USED vehicle from a PRIVATE PARTY who failed to disclose to you that he had reflashed the ECU with an aftermarket program. When the engine spun a bearing, Subaru covered the repair under goodwill for you, even though they could have just told you they weren't responsible, you get nothing, too bad, so sad. Go on TV with that story, so everyone in the area will know what an ungrateful arse looks like. Then pray like heck nothing else ever goes wrong, because I doubt Subaru will show you much love after you pull that stunt.
so if the previous owner flashed the ecu and then returned it to stock the ecu still stays modded? and whats the difference between covering something under good will and covering something under warranty?

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Old 11-06-2011, 09:25 AM   #1961
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so if the previous owner flashed the ecu and then returned it to stock the ecu still stays modded? and whats the difference between covering something under good will and covering something under warranty?

thanks, phillip
If the previous owner flashed the ECU back to stock form which SOA can tell, then it yes, the ECU "was" modified at some point and grounds for a warranty repair denial.

The difference is covering it under warranty is a manufacturer defect from the factory and the manufacturer is covering it. Goodwill is something a manufacturer does to help a customer even if they do not have to. They are providing you assistance in paying for the cost of the repairs.

I had a guy with a brand new Tacoma come in Friday that had the tailgate fold from where the seam sealer gave way because 3 guys each over 250-300 pounds were sitting on it. That was not a defect nor a warranty concern. However, Toyota allowed me to cover the repairs under goodwill being he just bought the vehicle 4500 miles ago.
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Old 11-10-2011, 11:34 AM   #1962
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Let's be fair and honest though. If he has an '09 WRX in that build range, a spun bearing has zero to do with a stage 1 reflash.

It's only an out for SOA because the consumer couldn't afford to take it as far they'd need to in court. That doesn't put SOA in the right.
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:58 PM   #1963
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"Let's be fair and honest though. If he has an '09 WRX in that build range, a spun bearing has zero to do with a stage 1 reflash.

It's only an out for SOA because the consumer couldn't afford to take it as far they'd need to in court. That doesn't put SOA in the right."

It's a shame the owner gave them the out. "Ya pays yer money, ya takes yer chances."
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Old 11-10-2011, 08:33 PM   #1964
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Let's be fair and honest though. If he has an '09 WRX in that build range, a spun bearing has zero to do with a stage 1 reflash.

It's only an out for SOA because the consumer couldn't afford to take it as far they'd need to in court. That doesn't put SOA in the right.
That was fair and honest. Here is a suggestion, keep the vehicle stock then and it will not put someone into that position.
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Old 11-11-2011, 12:11 PM   #1965
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And that's good advice.

But just let's not pretend the mechanical failure is anyone's fault but Subaru's. Spin it any which way; the responsibility lies there.

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Old 11-11-2011, 10:48 PM   #1966
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And that's good advice.

But just let's not pretend the mechanical failure is anyone's fault but Subaru's. Spin it any which way; the responsibility lies there.
Ignorance is ignorance I guess.
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Old 11-12-2011, 06:43 PM   #1967
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I mean yes, reflashing is only going to cause additional stress, but it's no secret that the '09s were garbage, and this very well likely would have also happened if the vehicle was bone stock. Sort of a gray area, but when very few people have troubles with (I would assume what he went with) Cobb's stage 1 map, and many people have had troubles with the stock tune, and the '09s, I think it's fairly safe to say this is just another poorly built vehicle.
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Old 11-17-2011, 11:38 PM   #1968
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Wow I've missed a lot here. Sorry about that. Spambot, great insight. I appreciate all your thoughts and comments.

Long story short, I have my WRX back 2k on the new motor and turbo. I got stuck paying for something that had no effective cause for the failure. Yes I agree you play you pay, however I knew nothing prior to this issue. Live and learn. Will I flash again, possible. Cobb was great about my issue. Since the AP was never unmarried, it needed to be relicensed. They were great to deal with. PO gave me the AP.

I will never purchase another Subaru. I will own this one for another year or so then move on.

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Old 11-18-2011, 12:13 AM   #1969
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Make: 2009 WRX Premium

Milage: 13,500

Time out of use : three weeks and counting.

Problem: spun bearing

Mods: none that I knew of

Submitted for warranty work : yes / denied. Will provide good faith repairs. But I need to buy new ECM.

Reason given : ECM was modified.

I haven't modded or done anything but drive to and from work in traffic since I purchased the car.
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Wow I've missed a lot here. Sorry about that. Spambot, great insight. I appreciate all your thoughts and comments.

Long story short, I have my WRX back 2k on the new motor and turbo. I got stuck paying for something that had no effective cause for the failure. Yes I agree you play you pay, however I knew nothing prior to this issue. Live and learn. Will I flash again, possible. Cobb was great about my issue. Since the AP was never unmarried, it needed to be relicensed. They were great to deal with. PO gave me the AP.

I will never purchase another Subaru. I will own this one for another year or so then move on.
First you say you didn't flash it, then you ask "Will I flash again, possible"... To ponder flashing again, means you must have flashed once already... And if they replaced your ECU before you had a chance to unmarry, you'd need to relicense your AP before you could sell it or use it again...



And other people who really don't modify their cars wonder why the dealership never believes them when something goes wrong.

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Old 11-18-2011, 08:17 AM   #1970
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You are correct, the car was flashed when the failure occurred. I did not know this until it happened was denied and I questioned the PO. I paid for the ECM and got the AP from the PO.

So now I have the WRX repaired, new ECM and a AP with relicensed software (they also upgraded some resolution/ screen) on the AP.

Now I can either reflash the car or sell the AP. Cobb states there is no known way for Subaru to know that the ECM was ever flashed if the AP is unmarried, all that shows is like the battery was disconnected. If left married, then your in the position I was in. Hopefully you don't ever deal with that.
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Old 11-18-2011, 10:25 AM   #1971
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You are correct, the car was flashed when the failure occurred. I did not know this until it happened was denied and I questioned the PO. I paid for the ECM and got the AP from the PO.

So now I have the WRX repaired, new ECM and a AP with relicensed software (they also upgraded some resolution/ screen) on the AP.

Now I can either reflash the car or sell the AP. Cobb states there is no known way for Subaru to know that the ECM was ever flashed if the AP is unmarried, all that shows is like the battery was disconnected. If left married, then your in the position I was in. Hopefully you don't ever deal with that.
Sorry about that, misunderstood the whole story.

I won't have to deal with it because I learned my lesson about "high performance" cars. You don't buy one and heavily modify it to get the power you need. Buy the car that has the level of performance you really want in its stock form. Its cheaper that way in the long run. When I am no longer satisfied, seems to take abut 20-24 months, I trade in and trade up. At least thats what I follow for my daily driver.

After all, you can get a 1 year old, <15K miles used Charger R/T AWD for the same price as a new WRX these days.

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Old 11-18-2011, 11:04 AM   #1972
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Cobb states there is no known way for Subaru to know that the ECM was ever flashed if the AP is unmarried, all that shows is like the battery was disconnected. If left married, then your in the position I was in.
The debate rages on as to whether or not it can be detected, unmarried or not. Cobb says no, but there are those at Subaru who say yes.

As Dirty Harry would say, "Do you feel lucky, punk?"
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I dont know why for the life of me Subaru doesnt sell or offer tuning - Audi does with Stasis and APR. They would know whats being done, make some money doing it and make customers happy. Prove that it was a dealer installed / SOA approved part and your good to go.

SOA knows the market is there, infact they expect cars to be modded. So then -
a) why make it so easy to modd?
b) why not be in the market as well?? besides SPT exhausts and oil fill caps.

"Do you feel lucky, punk" - watch who your calling punk. But to answer you question, I feel 100% confident with the COBB product, I have no respect for the quality, crasftmaship nor customer relattions SOA has shown.
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SOA knows the market is there, infact they expect cars to be modded. So then -
a) why make it so easy to modd?
b) why not be in the market as well?? besides SPT exhausts and oil fill caps.

"Do you feel lucky, punk" - watch who your calling punk. But to answer you question, I feel 100% confident with the COBB product, I have no respect for the quality, crasftmaship nor customer relattions SOA has shown.
I don't know why people think Subaru expects their cars to be modded. That's like saying people who make guitar amps expect Spinal Tap to make the volume go to 11.

And please define "easy to mod" for me. Does it mean that there are a lot of aftermarket parts available? If so, that's not on the top of the list of things to think about when the Subaru engineers design the vehicle.

Subaru knows how to get more power out of the engines they manufacture. But, they have to pass US emissions standards and CAFE ratings as well. It's a compromise, and I think they do a pretty good job of it.

And I didn't call you a punk. I was quoting Dirty Harry. Anyone pointing a 44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world that can blow your head clean off, at me can call me anything he likes.
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If Subaru didn't think that way then why check the ECM for a known mechanical issue. My car sat in the middle of the affect VIN range, had no bolt on parts what so ever, was squeaky clean (as it is today and every day). There was no reason what so ever to believe anything was or had been done to the ECM, or the car for that matter. YET the first thing requested is an ECM scan. - they are looking because they know it occurs more often than not. Yet they allow easy access to the ECM via the OBDII port (not sure on the part). As a consumer, there was no way for me to tell anything was done to the car. My PPI did not come accross it, they scanned the ECM for codes. If this mod was done by a dealer, via SOA there would be record of it. SOA and Consumers as well as dealers purchasing cars in trades would know. Not to say every mod, every supplier would be SOA approved.

Easy to mod in my opinion is allow for a plug and play flash of the ECM. I was amazed at how easy it is to do. Open the box, plug into the connector, turn key to acc position, identify car, and pick the map. - the video on Cobb's site is longer than the actual process.
Never mind the amount of products out there for suspension upgrades, brake upgrades, exhaust and then headers, turbo's, cams, rods, ect ect.

and the most powerful production handgun is the S&W 500 Magnum, unless you want to go full custom, then you can go with the 600 Express Magnum or the 50 BMG. S&W is also prototyping a 75cal. But dont try and shoot that handheld.

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