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Old 01-08-2013, 05:43 PM   #2276
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Stage 3 = aftermarket intercooler
Going by the commonly accepted "stages" put forth by the first company to do so with our cars - stage 3 implies turbo swap.

an intercooler is a supporting mod, not a power adder.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:30 AM   #2277
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Thanks for being the only one with an actual good response. I knew going in that it most likely wouldn't be covered, but like you said, I took a shot. Am I upset that it's not covered? Sure, but not because SOA won't cover it. Just because it's money I don't want to be spending right now.
No problem. I understand the whole not wanting to spend the money thing. It can be tough. $2500 is no small task for most people to come up with no matter what the situation is. That would set me back pretty bad as well. It's refreshing to see someone act like an adult for once on this site as opposed to whine and cry like a child. I truly do wish you good luck and hope everything works out for you.


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"an intercooler is a supporting mod, not a power adder. "

I agree that an intercooler is more of a supporting mod than an actual power adder. As it goes with stages though, it could potentially count as a stage 3. It depends entirely on what company you are working with for your upgrades/tuning. I ran a TurboXS UTEC Delta on my first WRX and the difference between a stage 2 setup and a stage 3 was the addition of a catless up-pipe and an upgraded top mount intercooler (either TurboXS or STI). There was a pretty defined difference in the two stages when you would switch maps with the remote selector. A turbo upgrade bumped you up to a stage 4 map. Generally it was preset for a set of Sti Pinks and a VF39. There was a specific map for each level of upgrade. So not every company defines a Turbo Upgrade as a stage 3 across the board.
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Old 01-10-2013, 04:59 AM   #2278
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Mileage:55400

Time Out Of Use:1 1/2 months

Problem And Likely Cause: spun #4 Rod bearing

Modifications:1000cc ID's Tgv deletes, air pump, Turbo back, intake (getting ready for e85)

Submitted For Warranty Work (Yes/No): yes

Reason Given For Denial: First possible tune issue... later warrantied

Your Story: The week before this occurred had installed the ID's, both air pump delete and tgv's and was tuning for it. Logs all went well no knock ect ect.. Fast forward to the night of the incident... I did a 4th gear pull (before redline) logged it and headed to pick up a friend from the airport... (30 min drive) I pick her up start heading backing driving normally (70 mph on cruise) when my car starts shuttering... i look at afr's (all good) but see my boost gauge showing that the car is trying to build boost ( it would fluctuate between -5 - +5 ) while on cruise control... about 2 more minutes go buy and i decide to just pull over.. as i do that the motor seizes...

I have the car towed to my house and start the work of pulling the motor apart... i have two bolts left before i can actually remove it .. my friend ask's if my car is still under warranty.. i say i doubt it .. he reminds me that i have the power train warranty ..so begins the mad dash to put the car back together... realizing i only had two weeks left on the 5 yr warranty .. and less then 5k miles lol...

Car is then towed to Subaru and they almost immediately try to turn me away .. i talk to them for a bit and they tell me ... theres a 50/50 chance that it wont be covered.. i agree to pay the tear down if it isnt warrantied ... they come back a week or so later and tell me they have bad news... and that it isnt warranted .. i call the service manager and talk to him for a bit.. he tells me they hadnt tore the motor all the way down and had just removed the heads ... i tell him to continue on and id pay if it wasnt rod bearing failure.. sure enough it turns out to be a rod bearing.... and they warranty the claim with a completely new long block and turbo ....

Sorry for the long story -_-
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Old 01-10-2013, 10:33 AM   #2279
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You're one very lucky SOB and should be praising SOA to the skies in the future.
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Old 01-10-2013, 11:15 AM   #2280
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You're one very lucky SOB and should be praising SOA to the skies in the future.
I second that...
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Old 01-10-2013, 02:33 PM   #2281
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You're one very lucky SOB and should be praising SOA to the skies in the future.
Lol trust me i have been. ^_^
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:47 PM   #2282
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Mileage: ~45,000 miles

Time Out Of Use: 13 days

Problem And Likely Cause: Blown center differential, snap ring failure

Modifications: "stage 3". TMIC, turbo back, EBCS, CAI, tune.

Submitted For Warranty Work (Yes/No): Yes

Reason Given For Denial: "Extensive modifications"

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Car was sitting for hours while at work, not even 2 minutes after leaving work while accelerating from a stop, I heard a loud clunk / bang. I was maybe going 2 mph when the noise occurred. Drove directly to the dealership where it was later diagnosed. Snap ring failure, which caused metal bits to strip and tear up the teeth of the gears.

I get all of my maintenance done at the same dealership by the same tech, so the dealership was on my side. SOA denied my warranty. Called them the next day and tried to explain to them my circumstances (never beat on, never tracked, all maintenance with dealer, etc), but they still denied me due to my modifications.

I need a new Center diff assembly, drive gear, driven gear, etc. Estimated $2,500 to fix.

Oh well, like it's been said in this thread before... you gotta pay to play.
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I was expecting to pick my car up from the dealership today, and had a missed call from them. Turns out SOA decided to cover 50% of the warranty cost of repair, which was about $500 cheaper than the dealership quote. So my total out the door repair cost was $1,050. Can't complain. I'm glad SOA helped me out, and is proof again that if you're nice and honest when you call them, they seem to help out.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:28 PM   #2283
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I was expecting to pick my car up from the dealership today, and had a missed call from them. Turns out SOA decided to cover 50% of the warranty cost of repair, which was about $500 cheaper than the dealership quote. So my total out the door repair cost was $1,050. Can't complain. I'm glad SOA helped me out, and is proof again that if you're nice and honest when you call them, they seem to help out.
You got lucky. 500 bucks is better then nothing.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:30 PM   #2284
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Goodwill repairs DO happen.
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:44 AM   #2285
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You got lucky. 500 bucks is better then nothing.
Actually, I saved about $1,500. Dealer quote was $2,500 and I paid $1,050.


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Old 01-12-2013, 11:07 AM   #2286
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Unfortunately, I've seen more people who don't deserve coverage get covered and people who do deserve it get screwed.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:22 PM   #2287
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That applies to just about anything in life really.
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Old 01-12-2013, 07:37 PM   #2288
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That applies to just about anything in life really.
Pretty much.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:57 PM   #2289
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Time Out Of Use:1 day so far

Problem And Likely Cause: 60 psi in cylinder 4

Modifications: springs and sways

Submitted For Warranty Work (Yes/No): waiting for a tow

Reason Given For Denial: None yet

Your story: Previously (last March I think the car had 24k) I posted in this thread about piston 4 having a cracked ringland. The original claim was denied for lack of records. I spent a few weeks and 800 miles of driving to finally gather up all of the previous owners records and the claim was finally settled. They replaced a piston. If I remember correctly I was not very happy about the repair at first but after getting the car back I was just overwhelmed at how much better my car felt. 10 months and 14k later I have the same problem: rough idle, skips on start up, smokes like john wayne. I did a compression test today and cyl 4 reads 60 psi where the others read between 120 and 150. My fingers are crossed. I hope they don't ask me for my fuel receipts this time because I just handed them over to the accountant, but I have been meticulous about all other records. Wish me luck! Oh I have aftermarket wheels without TPMS and snow tires on it will this be a problem? HAHA!
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:22 PM   #2290
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Mileage: 9600

Time Out Of Use: About 1 week total

Problem And Likely Cause: Knocking on start-up, bad rod

Modifications: None.

Submitted For Warranty Work (Yes/No): Yes

Reason Given For Denial: Was not denied

Your story: Was working in the gargage one morning when the wife came out to start her car. When started, it made a very loud knocking noise at which point I started yelling to shut it off. Had it trailered into the dealership (Carr Subaru) and they rebuilt the motor under warranty. I tried to push for a new shortblock, but Subaru refused and would only pay for the rebuild. Root cause was bad rod which caused bearing failure which led to knock.

The car has never been raced in any way. Have to say that really took the new car buzz away.
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Old 01-24-2013, 11:40 PM   #2291
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Time Out Of Use: 47 days
Problem And Likely Cause: Engine seized, they crated up short block without tearing down and sent to SOA
Modifications: None
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Reason Given For Denial: Car was driven too hard because at the time I was a 20 something male, eventually SOA approved short block rebuild

Your Story: I purchased this car from Cascade Auto Center (Wenatchee, WA) with 21 miles, checked/inspected all fluids and easily accessible hoses etc. because the car had been on the lot for over a year (this should have been my first sign). At the first stop light I came to as the engine reached idle a mild metallic grinding sound came from the engine compartment. A little under a ~1000 miles I checked the oil, no oil on dip stick, I drained all the oil from the engine and measured it, there was ~1 quart of oil remaining in the engine. I replaced oil filter and put in new oil (Mobile 1 5W30 Synthetic) and started a regimen of checking the oil every 500 miles as the dealership did not believe me. After about 10,000 miles the car was consuming ~3 quarts of oil every 1000 miles. There was never any oil under the car or white/black smoke/oil coming from the exhaust. The metallic grinding still occurred sporadically with some fine metallic flakes in the oil occasionally. Around 12,00 miles the dealership, at the request of the SOA NW rep, wanted me to come to the dealership every 500 miles so they could do the same thing I had just done for the last 9,000 miles. After another 10,000 miles of this, Subaru, via the dealership, stated that the car was consuming acceptable amounts of oil, averaging just under 3 quarts of oil every 1,000 miles. At this point the dealership agreed there was something wrong with the car but wasn’t going to do anything unless SOA was going to pay for it. SOA asked the dealership to keep the car so one of the techs could drive it for 2 weeks and see if they could replicate the metallic grinding sound and the magically disappearing oil. They did replicate the grinding and it consumed ~1 quart of oil in roughly 200 miles over two weeks. At this point SOA stepped in and said there is nothing wrong with the car and there would be no further diagnostics done on the car. I drove the car for another ~9000 miles performing the maintenance according to the manual. The next oil change resulted in some fairly significant chips of metal in the oil, I immediately dropped the car off at the dealership, they agreed to check it out and drive it for a few days. The next day they called and said the engine had seized as one of their techs was driving it home (this was the first thing that saved me). SOA immediately refused to cover the engine under warranty, after many hours of arguing with SOA and many more hours on hold, they agreed to send out the NW rep to assess the car. The NW rep declined to actually make the trip from Portland, Oregon to Wenatchee but instead decided a call to the dealership was enough. The service manager asked if I wanted to sit in on the call, I figured it couldn’t hurt (this was the second thing that saved me). The service manager did not tell the rep I was sitting in his office at the time of the call. The NW rep made it immediately clear he had no interest in the car and was more interested in how SOA was going to get out of having to pay for a short block rebuild. Instead he asked for my age and whether or not the car had or appeared to have had any modifications done to it and what the service manager’s opinion of what kind of driving the car had seen. The service manager told him I was 24 and told him to the best of his knowledge the car was a daily driver that saw ~10 miles a day plus an occasional 450 mile round trip when I came home from college on the freeway. He also stated the car appeared to have always been stock. The NW rep said that since I was a “twenty something male, clearly I drove the car too hard and that the engine seizure was a result of improper maintenance and driving”. The call ended with the rep saying he saw no reason for SOA to approve the short block rebuild. As soon as I left the dealership I called SOA and had some very choice words for the CSR that was handling my case, she immediately transferred me to her manager. Her manager was no more helpful than the first CSR but at least said she would look into the situation, mainly with respect to what the NW rep had said during the call with the dealership. The service manager backed up my description of the phone call and Subaru reluctantly decided to do the short block replacement, not because they felt there was anything mechanically wrong that caused the seizure under the warranty but they were more worried about litigation with respect to the reps comments. Got the car back a month after the engine seized, only took a week for the actual rebuild, the other 3 weeks were spent on the phone with various Subaru employees trying all avenues to get them to warranty the engine. Three months after the rebuild I received a letter from SOA asking me to sign a non-disclosure agreement to prevent me from ever discussing the events that occurred during this whole fiasco. I respectfully declined to sign their NDA. Since the rebuild I have had no significant issues with the car.


After the treatment I received from SOA I will never by another Subaru, I love driving my WRX and will drive it until the wheels fall off of it but the warranty is not worth the paper it is printed on. SOA has no interest in their customers or their product once it leaves the factory. I spent 46 hours on hold and speaking to SOA prior to them agreeing to the rebuild. For those who will say I drove it too hard, I have ~20,000 miles of throttle trace prior to the seizure from a data logger unit a EE college buddy built that says otherwise, though SOA really wasn’t interested in “facts” either.


Sorry for the long post.
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Old 01-25-2013, 07:14 AM   #2292
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Lol - ^^ um, sure. That's why we've heard about this kind of treatment for the 8 years since this 'occurred'.
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Old 01-25-2013, 01:35 PM   #2293
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Mileage: 29,220 (at the time of warranty claim) 136,450 (currently)
Time Out Of Use: 47 days
Problem And Likely Cause: Engine seized, they crated up short block without tearing down and sent to SOA
Modifications: None
Submitted For Warranty Work (Yes/No): Yes
Reason Given For Denial: Car was driven too hard because at the time I was a 20 something male, eventually SOA approved short block rebuild

Your Story: I purchased this car from Cascade Auto Center (Wenatchee, WA) with 21 miles, checked/inspected all fluids and easily accessible hoses etc. because the car had been on the lot for over a year (this should have been my first sign). At the first stop light I came to as the engine reached idle a mild metallic grinding sound came from the engine compartment. A little under a ~1000 miles I checked the oil, no oil on dip stick, I drained all the oil from the engine and measured it, there was ~1 quart of oil remaining in the engine. I replaced oil filter and put in new oil (Mobile 1 5W30 Synthetic) and started a regimen of checking the oil every 500 miles as the dealership did not believe me. After about 10,000 miles the car was consuming ~3 quarts of oil every 1000 miles. There was never any oil under the car or white/black smoke/oil coming from the exhaust. The metallic grinding still occurred sporadically with some fine metallic flakes in the oil occasionally. Around 12,00 miles the dealership, at the request of the SOA NW rep, wanted me to come to the dealership every 500 miles so they could do the same thing I had just done for the last 9,000 miles. After another 10,000 miles of this, Subaru, via the dealership, stated that the car was consuming acceptable amounts of oil, averaging just under 3 quarts of oil every 1,000 miles. At this point the dealership agreed there was something wrong with the car but wasn’t going to do anything unless SOA was going to pay for it. SOA asked the dealership to keep the car so one of the techs could drive it for 2 weeks and see if they could replicate the metallic grinding sound and the magically disappearing oil. They did replicate the grinding and it consumed ~1 quart of oil in roughly 200 miles over two weeks. At this point SOA stepped in and said there is nothing wrong with the car and there would be no further diagnostics done on the car. I drove the car for another ~9000 miles performing the maintenance according to the manual. The next oil change resulted in some fairly significant chips of metal in the oil, I immediately dropped the car off at the dealership, they agreed to check it out and drive it for a few days. The next day they called and said the engine had seized as one of their techs was driving it home (this was the first thing that saved me). SOA immediately refused to cover the engine under warranty, after many hours of arguing with SOA and many more hours on hold, they agreed to send out the NW rep to assess the car. The NW rep declined to actually make the trip from Portland, Oregon to Wenatchee but instead decided a call to the dealership was enough. The service manager asked if I wanted to sit in on the call, I figured it couldn’t hurt (this was the second thing that saved me). The service manager did not tell the rep I was sitting in his office at the time of the call. The NW rep made it immediately clear he had no interest in the car and was more interested in how SOA was going to get out of having to pay for a short block rebuild. Instead he asked for my age and whether or not the car had or appeared to have had any modifications done to it and what the service manager’s opinion of what kind of driving the car had seen. The service manager told him I was 24 and told him to the best of his knowledge the car was a daily driver that saw ~10 miles a day plus an occasional 450 mile round trip when I came home from college on the freeway. He also stated the car appeared to have always been stock. The NW rep said that since I was a “twenty something male, clearly I drove the car too hard and that the engine seizure was a result of improper maintenance and driving”. The call ended with the rep saying he saw no reason for SOA to approve the short block rebuild. As soon as I left the dealership I called SOA and had some very choice words for the CSR that was handling my case, she immediately transferred me to her manager. Her manager was no more helpful than the first CSR but at least said she would look into the situation, mainly with respect to what the NW rep had said during the call with the dealership. The service manager backed up my description of the phone call and Subaru reluctantly decided to do the short block replacement, not because they felt there was anything mechanically wrong that caused the seizure under the warranty but they were more worried about litigation with respect to the reps comments. Got the car back a month after the engine seized, only took a week for the actual rebuild, the other 3 weeks were spent on the phone with various Subaru employees trying all avenues to get them to warranty the engine. Three months after the rebuild I received a letter from SOA asking me to sign a non-disclosure agreement to prevent me from ever discussing the events that occurred during this whole fiasco. I respectfully declined to sign their NDA. Since the rebuild I have had no significant issues with the car.


After the treatment I received from SOA I will never by another Subaru, I love driving my WRX and will drive it until the wheels fall off of it but the warranty is not worth the paper it is printed on. SOA has no interest in their customers or their product once it leaves the factory. I spent 46 hours on hold and speaking to SOA prior to them agreeing to the rebuild. For those who will say I drove it too hard, I have ~20,000 miles of throttle trace prior to the seizure from a data logger unit a EE college buddy built that says otherwise, though SOA really wasn’t interested in “facts” either.


Sorry for the long post.

Am I the only one that thinks there are some big parts missing from this story? Subaru doesn't just deny warranty on things without some form of cause. Especially if the dealer is stating the car the stock, well maintained, and has a documented history of related concerns with the car. I dunno, smells a bit funny. Like I've said before. Subaru bends over backwards for their customers that deserve it. Hell, sometimes they bend over backwards for those that don't. If Subaru doesn't help you, chances are you were either a dick to those involved or you just really didn't deserve it.
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Old 01-25-2013, 04:42 PM   #2294
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There is a lot more to the story (mainly my time on the phone with SOA). I was frusterated I had payed for a car that did not perform as it should initially, as I expect anyone would be. I was a dick to the NW rep and SOA after he made the assumption that because I was a 20 something male I was driving it constantly at redline and maintaining it improperly because I change the oil/oil filter myself instead of paying some one else $60 to do it (this was their reason/justification, an 04' WRX is allowed to consume up to 3 quarts/1000 miles of oil before they feel there is a problem). The car had no after market parts and was taken care of better than the two previous Subarus I had (00' Legacy GT Limited, 02' WRX). Both cars I sold in great working order with no problems and both still run to this day. SOA encouraged me to file a Lemon Law claim in WA State (Lemon Law claims almost never go anywhere in this state) if I was not happy with the outcome. Similar situations were not an uncommon occurance on subarureview.com back when it was still operating in 06'.

I am curious as to what big gaps in this you think there might be . Maybe east coast reps are better than the west coast reps. If you are a SOA fanboi that thinks they do no wrong, fine, not my problem. If you are accusing me of sabotaging a car I payed for, I don't even know how to respond to that without getting banned . If there was nothing wrong with the car, why would they want me to sign an NDA? These are the facts, I realize most people can't deal with facts. As I said I have ~20,000 miles of relative throttle position (3rd party sensor), rpm, and mph data that showed exactly how the car had been driven from a data logger a freind built and installed (done with SOA blessing at ~9k miles). Subaru was interested in the data until they saw the car never hit more than 6.5k RPM and had never been faster than 78 mph.

I will leave it at this, maybe SOA has changed, maybe they haven't. Their cars are fun to drive and are equally good looking but at the time of this warrty claim their employees acted less than professional and were not interested in resolving the problem with the car. That is not a company I want to give my money to.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:45 AM   #2295
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:54 PM   #2296
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There is a lot more to the story (mainly my time on the phone with SOA). ... That is not a company I want to give my money to.
I think the moral of the story is that Subaru is in business to make money and just like any other business, logically speaking, they can choose to take an escape when given in order to reduce the overhead of warranty repair costs.

However, I am wondering... So if you were discriminated against, why didn't you get the local police, tv and radio stations, a good lawyer, and everyone else you know involved in suing? You say you refused to sign the NDA yet didn't do anything?

I figured you would want to do at least either A. Make money off Subaru. or B. Public awareness of such policies and practices. or C. Both A & B?
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I did write a couple of editorials (print and online in the Seattle area, also BBB complaint) and at the time subarureview.com was still running I posted what had happened there along with a lot of other people who were having similar issues with SOA at the time (06'). By the time I was done dealing with this, 2+ years in all, I just wanted to be done with it. I did not want to waste anymore time on it and all I really wanted was a car that worked as any modern car should (aka my 76' Chevy 400 small block should not burn less oil than my 04' Subaru).
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Old 02-12-2013, 09:30 PM   #2298
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Mileage: 10,634
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Problem And Likely Cause: Bad Oil, Not sure on the actual damage yet
Modifications: COBB SF intake and accessPORT
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Your Story: I went to a oil shop to get some oil and instead of giving me 5w-30 they gave me 5w-20. A week later i was with my friend after driving around for 4 or more hours and i decided to do a little pull getting on the highway. As soon as i pushed the clutch in to shift from 4th to 5th i heard a rattling noise as if something was loose. I dropped my friend off, went home, called some friends about it and they said take it easy and drive it back up to my college shop so we can take a look. At that point i did some research and found that low viscosity oil can harm the engine and have the same symptoms so i went to my local shop and got it changed. The ticking noise persisted and i figured it was a heat shield or something so i tried to drive it to my college. I got 5 miles when it let loose first when i started getting on boost it seemed to lose all compression and drop off. then i couldn't accelerate at all and finally ended up dying on the side of the road. Brought it to Subaru and denied my warranty for the pull apart but hopefully they will find that my ap didn't cause the problem.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:06 PM   #2299
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Make: 2012 Subaru WRX
Mileage: 10,634
Time Out Of Use: 4 Days
Problem And Likely Cause: Bad Oil, Not sure on the actual damage yet
Modifications: COBB SF intake and accessPORT
Submitted For Warranty Work (Yes/No): Yes
Reason Given For Denial: AccessPORT

Your Story: I went to a oil shop to get some oil and instead of giving me 5w-30 they gave me 5w-20. A week later i was with my friend after driving around for 4 or more hours and i decided to do a little pull getting on the highway. As soon as i pushed the clutch in to shift from 4th to 5th i heard a rattling noise as if something was loose. I dropped my friend off, went home, called some friends about it and they said take it easy and drive it back up to my college shop so we can take a look. At that point i did some research and found that low viscosity oil can harm the engine and have the same symptoms so i went to my local shop and got it changed. The ticking noise persisted and i figured it was a heat shield or something so i tried to drive it to my college. I got 5 miles when it let loose first when i started getting on boost it seemed to lose all compression and drop off. then i couldn't accelerate at all and finally ended up dying on the side of the road. Brought it to Subaru and denied my warranty for the pull apart but hopefully they will find that my ap didn't cause the problem.
it wasn't the oil that caused the problem, i can tell you that.
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Old 02-12-2013, 10:12 PM   #2300
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it wasn't the oil that caused the problem, i can tell you that.
So a thinner oil then an engine that isn't a fan of thin oil to begin with isn't the issue? Lol. I'd say that was one of the big contributors.
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