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Old 12-21-2015, 10:10 PM   #1
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Default 2015 STi Failed engine within 24 hours of owning.

Just wanted to get your guy's opinion on what i'm dealing with right now. So, not looking to name names or what not at this point, as this is actively going on as i'm posting this.

So, I purchased a 2015 Sti with 8900 kilometers on it, appeared to be in excellent condition, mechanically and aesthetically. I was driving with my friend the next day, I gave it a good pull (not exceeding much over 5k rpm) as any normal human being would do after purchasing a new sports car.
Within minutes i started to hear a rattling sound, I didn't think much of it and figured it would be a loose heat shield etc and would stop shortly and have a look. As we drove it got a little more obvious and i started to worry. So we pulled over and popped the hood to sort this out, both of us being heavy duty mechanics. We both came to the conclusion that it was definetly not a a simple loose component but engine noise.
I pulled the dipstick to check the oil level to find it almost bone dry, with a very little bit of oil just below the add mark.
Shortly after a call to the dealership, a tow truck showed up (who managed to drop the entire car on the new bumper and sti lip and break it, which is another story) the car was towed to the dealer and left to be inspected when their mechanics got in.
The next day I found out the engine was indeed toast, and they were going to ship the car to a subaru dealer in another province to be repaired and could not give me a timeline for repair and said that 30 days would "be a bit light"

All in all, im just looking for a few opinions from the subaru community on what they think happened. From what i've found searching other Subaru forums this is not the first sti to fail prematurely. That is what the dealership is blaming it on, but not in any of these instances does anyone mention there being no oil on the dip stick.

Before purchasing the car, i asked several times if the car had been gone over and inspected and they assured me it had been thoroughly inspected. So what do you guys think, is this the usual STI failure, or is this due to human error

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Even though im pretty sure I already know the answer..
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Old 12-21-2015, 10:23 PM   #2
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I'd hate to say it buy it is entirely human error. I'm a newby but I know oil is super duper important to keep up with. Oil starvation and fuel cut are 2 things u don't want. Everyone you drive a turbo car, check the oil level before you head out.
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Old 12-21-2015, 10:27 PM   #3
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Oh for sure, I know that oil is the blood of the engine. Well hey, on the brightside I get a brand new motor haha, just sucks. Just a guy assumes when he purchases a car from a dealership, theyve at least pulled the dip stick, I guess one shouldnt make assumptions.
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Old 12-21-2015, 10:30 PM   #4
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Good luck to you and Gratz on the new engine and glad you didn't get hurt.
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Old 12-21-2015, 10:31 PM   #5
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Thanks man, just my soul got hurt when i knew my new car had a heart attack
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Old 12-21-2015, 11:17 PM   #6
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Did it have oil in it when you bought it?

EJ207???

Why did your local dealer ship the car elsewhere? 30 days is insane. We'd have you back in your car next week, if not sooner.
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:50 AM   #7
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You said you had it less than 24hrs, demand a refund and look for another car. If this had no oil in it what else did the previous owners mess up?
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Old 12-22-2015, 01:04 AM   #8
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It mustve had just enough so not cause a low oil pressure light. It wasnt a subaru dealer the car was purchased at but the same auto group owns a subaru dealer elsewhere. its an ej257, im assuming an oil change was done at some point and someone forgot to finish adding oil.
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Old 12-22-2015, 01:06 AM   #9
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I wonder if they're not making the dealership they got it from fix it (i'm assuming maybe they swapped or bought it from another dealer).

If you just bought the car, i'd demand a refund since they sold you a lemon. Unless it was a smoking deal, i'd seriously push for a refund. Buying a car, then not having it for over 30 days immediately afterward is not okay.
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Old 12-22-2015, 02:02 AM   #10
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Sounds like starvation leading to a spun bearing
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Old 12-22-2015, 08:50 AM   #11
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Oh for sure.

Another question, how long do you guys think is a reasonable time to have the engine repaired under warranty? Is a month just wayyyy out to lunch? Unfortunately due to circumstances I can't just demand a refund... Which would seem like a good idea.
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Old 12-22-2015, 09:00 AM   #12
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What do we think happened?

I wouldn't try to read too much into anything. You bought a car with what is essentially a 20+ year old engine design with a propensity to eat rod bearings, regardless of oil level/condition.

You were unlucky. It stinks and I'm sorry to hear about it, but if you researched before you bought, you know this isn't uncommon.
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Old 12-22-2015, 09:44 AM   #13
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Why are they shipping your car out of province to get a new engine? Most Subaru dealerships are very well versed in EJ257 replacement seeing that it's very common to see at least one WRX/STI in dealership service bays awaiting a new engine. Seems pretty odd to me that they can't do an engine replacement.

As far as the car I have a feeling the previous owner knew there was an issue with the engine and traded it in before it failed. Sucks to be on a 2nd engine on a relatively new car but it happens especially with these cars.
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Old 12-22-2015, 09:52 AM   #14
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Oh I know it's not uncommon in 257's for them to have some failures.

The dealer I bought it from was not a Subaru dealer, but the same auto group owns one elsewhere. But I'm still a bit boggled by the whole situation.
As far as I know from some reliable sources. The car was traded in by an older guy who thought it was too much car for his current situation.
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Old 12-22-2015, 11:41 AM   #15
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When my co-worker blew his 2013 STI it took about a month to rebuild it with forged internals, so a month to replace if they have to ship it somewhere isn't unreasonable

Remember you will have to break it in for another 1k miles
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Old 12-22-2015, 11:53 AM   #16
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Remember you will have to break it in for another 1k miles
This is what didn't happen the first time.

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I was driving with my friend the next day, I gave it a good pull (not exceeding much over 5k rpm) as any normal human being would do after purchasing a new sports car.
"Normal" would, sure. Because they don't know any better. They don't know about break-in.

Please, please, please, properly break-in your motor, OP.
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:04 PM   #17
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It mustve had just enough so not cause a low oil pressure light. It wasnt a subaru dealer the car was purchased at but the same auto group owns a subaru dealer elsewhere. its an ej257, im assuming an oil change was done at some point and someone forgot to finish adding oil.
lol a oil pressure light will NEVER come unless its actually out of oil. The only thing the oil light does on a subaru is tell you your motor is toast if i remember correctly its like 5psi before it triggers.
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:05 PM   #18
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Oh believe you me,
I will be taking all the correct measures to ensure this one last.
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:06 PM   #19
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:26 PM   #20
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Oh believe you me,
I will be taking all the correct measures to ensure this one last.
The correct way to make it last is to get them to buy the car back and buying a different brand car lol.
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Oil on the bottom of the dipstick does not equal no oil. Yes ejs blow way to frequently now. I've been there and it sucks.
I wouldn't own a 2010+ ej powered car again if they have it to me free of charge.
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Old 12-22-2015, 12:39 PM   #22
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The correct way to make it last is to get them to buy the car back and buying a different brand car lol.

Oh right never thought of that.
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Old 12-22-2015, 09:59 PM   #23
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I'd hate to say it buy it is entirely human error. I'm a newby but I know oil is super duper important to keep up with. Oil starvation and fuel cut are 2 things u don't want. Everyone you drive a turbo car, check the oil level before you head out.
Oh well
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Old 12-23-2015, 09:03 AM   #24
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demand a refund, then go buy a 2016 wrx. You wont be dissapointed, and you have like 1000% less of a chance of blowing your motor prematurely
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What do we think happened?

I wouldn't try to read too much into anything. You bought a car with what is essentially a 20+ year old engine design with a propensity to eat rod bearings, regardless of oil level/condition.

You were unlucky. It stinks and I'm sorry to hear about it, but if you researched before you bought, you know this isn't uncommon.
Sorry, but this is BS. Oil starvation due to improper maintenance is not unlucky. Luck has nothing to do with a mechanical failure of this type. Look at Subaru's reliabilty scores over the past 10 years using this "dated" engine design. Now, ringland failures due to the GR's initial crappy stock tune, that's a different story.

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