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Old 09-09-2012, 05:28 PM   #1
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Default help me find a good all season for my11 WRX - moving to big bear for the winter

so im basically overwhelmed at this point with findin a good tire for my11 wrx.

here is the situation, im moving from los angeles to big bear for the winter (big bear does get a decent amount of snow, though not as much as a true mountain town. thus i will be doing some driving on snow on steep and icy roads)

the other part of this is that i will be needing to drive down the mountain at least once a month to go to san diego, orange county, los angeles, etc. so i need a tire that still handles well on the winding mountain roads and throughout southern california.

that out of the way here is the breakdown, i need a tire that can do the following;

- drive on icy roads and moderate amounts of snow (12+ inches occasionally)
- still handle on mountain roads and throughout southern california

i've been looking at the continental DWS but i have seen some reviews saying the sidewall is very soft in exchange for great snow handling.

here are others ive been looking into
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....um=245WR7E4XXL
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....m=245HR7AMAXHP
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....m=245WR70NASXL
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....m=245WR7GMAS03

i'm open to any advice.

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Old 09-09-2012, 06:40 PM   #2
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There is nothing that handles ice and southern california weather at the same time.
Good luck.

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Old 09-09-2012, 07:37 PM   #3
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There is nothing that handles ice and southern california weather at the same time.
Good luck.

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to clarify, im not expecting summer tire performance in an all season tire. im just hoping for some recommendations from those who have used newer all season's
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:04 PM   #4
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You are better off just getting a snow tire and accepting that it will wear a touch faster when you go down to SoCal. The issue is that no all season tire is going to do well in the first situation you noted.
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:11 PM   #5
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I think there is no tire (winter, summer or all season) that can do what you want them to do.
Have you checked what locals are using?

Will you need to be on the road when it is really bad? Planning to drive on ice? Then you need either studded tires (like Nokian Hakkapeliitta 7) or snow/ice (like Michelin x-ice xi3).

They will suck in high temperatures and their dry performance will be miserable. But they will shine on ice and snow (as long as they have studs left and enough tread depth).

All seasons will not be able to handle ice, the same is true for performance winter (and forget about summer).

What are your priorities? How important is ice performance?

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Old 09-09-2012, 10:24 PM   #6
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well big bear isn't too crazy of a mountain town, average snowfall is usually between 60 and 80 inches a season. im not expecting to be driving in snow every day, but i dont want to get stuck just driving around town on the days it is snowy.

i guess i have to realize its either going to be great snow performance and moderate to poor dry performance vice versa.
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Old 09-10-2012, 09:21 AM   #7
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A ton of the BMW guys use the Conti DWS and love them. I've got a few friends who ran them on subies and raved about them as well.

Like it was said before, you aren't going to get winding road fun and great snow performance from any tire.
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Old 09-13-2012, 03:25 AM   #8
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A ton of the BMW guys use the Conti DWS and love them. I've got a few friends who ran them on subies and raved about them as well.

Like it was said before, you aren't going to get winding road fun and great snow performance from any tire.
i think im leaning heavily towards the DWS
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if you REALLY want an all season tire you're best bet is probably the nokian wrg2. This is considered an all season but has a snow rating. Still not as good as a proper snow/ice tire because the compound is slightly harder to make it good for year round use. Not sure about big bear, but here if the roads are bad enough they will close the roads and only let people with snow rated tires or chains through. These will get you through no problem.

I know quite a few people that run them with very good results but I would still opt for a proper snow tire.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:41 PM   #10
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if you REALLY want an all season tire you're best bet is probably the nokian wrg2. This is considered an all season but has a snow rating. Still not as good as a proper snow/ice tire because the compound is slightly harder to make it good for year round use. Not sure about big bear, but here if the roads are bad enough they will close the roads and only let people with snow rated tires or chains through. These will get you through no problem.

I know quite a few people that run them with very good results but I would still opt for a proper snow tire.
those look amazing, but they are damned expensive, lowest i can find is $242 each
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:23 AM   #12
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Ive had both the pirrelli p zero neros and the contis dws.
Heres my thoughts, contis dws much quieter goes through rain like a mofo stable as **** through winter you have a friggin awd car so dont listen to these other guys. Contis are softer on the sidewall but made my car pull right even with balance bugged the crap out of me so i switched them for
P zero neros which is a true performance tire hugs the road like crazy in the dry and wet havent had them on snow yet these are hipo as tires whereas the dws are more as but still awesome in the rain and snow. P zeros are loud and do grab ruts sometimes but more hipo than anything out there.
My wife had the crappiest tires on her 07 wrx wagon called nankangs summer tires and that car would bomb through the worst snow the pnw has to offer. My two cents you dont need to get summer and winter its a rex and is gonna stick
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Ive had both the pirrelli p zero neros and the contis dws.
Heres my thoughts, contis dws much quieter goes through rain like a mofo stable as **** through winter you have a friggin awd car so dont listen to these other guys. Contis are softer on the sidewall but made my car pull right even with balance bugged the crap out of me so i switched them for
P zero neros which is a true performance tire hugs the road like crazy in the dry and wet havent had them on snow yet these are hipo as tires whereas the dws are more as but still awesome in the rain and snow. P zeros are loud and do grab ruts sometimes but more hipo than anything out there.
My wife had the crappiest tires on her 07 wrx wagon called nankangs summer tires and that car would bomb through the worst snow the pnw has to offer. My two cents you dont need to get summer and winter its a rex and is gonna stick
you are an absolute idiot.

please. don't post. just, stop posting. thinking that "OMG AWD WILL SAVE YOU" is a flat out LIE.

your advice is so irrelevant, i'm not even sure why you bothered typing that out.
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The worst snow the PNW has to offer? What is that, 2 inches?
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Old 09-22-2012, 07:12 PM   #15
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the issue im running into is this, big bear gets a couple big snows a season and is usually plowed within a day. but my place is up a bit of a steep incline.

on the other hand, i am going to have to drive down the mountain a few times a month and go from LA to orange county and san diego.

so im worried that a true snow tire is going to be terrible on regular roads down the mountain
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to clarify, im not expecting summer tire performance in an all season tire. im just hoping for some recommendations from those who have used newer all season's

get another set of wheels and put some cheap WINTER tires on them for your winter use
and use the summer tires for every day

this is the best recommendation you will get



all season tires are no season tires and they dont really work in any real winter conditions

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so im worried that a true snow tire is going to be terrible on regular roads down the mountain
cheap steelies off a forester and a set of cheap winter tires and done
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Ive had both the pirrelli p zero neros and the contis dws.
Heres my thoughts, contis dws much quieter goes through rain like a mofo stable as **** through winter you have a friggin awd car so dont listen to these other guys. Contis are softer on the sidewall but made my car pull right even with balance bugged the crap out of me so i switched them for
P zero neros which is a true performance tire hugs the road like crazy in the dry and wet havent had them on snow yet these are hipo as tires whereas the dws are more as but still awesome in the rain and snow. P zeros are loud and do grab ruts sometimes but more hipo than anything out there.
My wife had the crappiest tires on her 07 wrx wagon called nankangs summer tires and that car would bomb through the worst snow the pnw has to offer. My two cents you dont need to get summer and winter its a rex and is gonna stick
This is the worst advice that I have ever seen regarding something so elementary, and I have no doubts that you have never run good quality summer or winter tires. To the OP, what you need to worry about in the snow is getting stopped. A good set of winter tires will bring your car to a stop faster than you ever thought possible.
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Old 09-25-2012, 05:46 PM   #18
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This is the worst advice that I have ever seen regarding something so elementary, and I have no doubts that you have never run good quality summer or winter tires. To the OP, what you need to worry about in the snow is getting stopped. A good set of winter tires will bring your car to a stop faster than you ever thought possible.
haha i agree, i guess a cheap set of snow's will be best
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Old 09-25-2012, 06:01 PM   #19
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I agree that running snow tires is probably the best for you even if you are going into San Diego every now and then. You will just have to deal with the faster loss of tread.

Here in Spokane, I am most likely going with the Kumho Ecsta 4X (245-40-17) as my all-year tires. My commute is very short and the advantage of Subaru AWD is enough to get me to work and back (besides I have Blizzaks on my wife's forester just in case). Also, the roads guys/gals do a pretty good job here at least getting some sand/salt down by the time I usually leave work.

I am probably going to buy some chains just in case but will probably not have to use them.
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haha i agree, i guess a cheap set of snow's will be best
Get what your budget will allow. I've run winterforce, Blizzak and Nokian winter tires. The only unexpected issue I had with cheap (winterforce) snows was the lack of grip in the rain. See if you can find a deal out there, as I got my Blizzaks new for something like $80 each about 5 years ago. See if anyone is unloading a set of lightly used snows. Best of luck to you in your search!
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