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Old 09-10-2012, 01:13 PM   #1
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Default Review: Michelin Pilot Supersport - Amazing

I dont have too much opportunity to contribute to the great wealth of knowledge on this site, but I just want to say a few words about this tire.


---Previous Tire, Toyo Proxes 4 (benchmark)
I got my 05 STi a year and a half ago and was blown away by the grip. I was running stock tire size with Toyo Proxes 4. Overall these tires were pretty good for summer/wet. In the winter they were not that great. I was a bit disappointed as it being my first AWD car. I feel my old 94 accord did better in some areas with A/S tires.

When I really started DRIVING the car I got used to where the tires started breaking free, and it was fairly gradual and predictable.

When launching the car i could get a little tire rotation between 5-6k rpm in complete dry.

I feel that these tires wore down pretty quickly. Before I swapped them out I had put maybe 13k Miles on them and I noticed a significant drop-off in mid-corner grip

---New Tire, Michelin Pilot Supersport
Before I got into these the guy at Discount Tire tried to sell me on the A/S version of these tires, but at the beginning of summer I wanted some seriously grippy tires, i was between the Supersports or the Dunlop direzza star-specs. I paid about 900 out the door.

As soon as I wore these things in a bit I noticed a few things. The sidewalls seemed a little bit more compliant than the Toyos. I cant say this is accurate but its my gut feel. I havent noticed any difference in road noise with these tires either.

After hitting a few hard corners (270 degree on-ramps, long highway sweepers) I could immediately tell I had a LOT more available grip, and the traction loss was even more gradual.

When launching I have yet to get these tires to noticeably break free (at the same 5-6k launch) with DCCD in auto or rear-bias. My car is completely stock, stage 2 is coming soon so maybe I can change that!

Somehow here in Mount Vernon, WA we have only seen 2 or 3 days of rain in the last few months so I cant really compare the wet-traction, although I hear it is just as good as the proxes.


---Conclusions
Overall this is a great tire and I highly recommend to anyone looking for a high-performance summer tire. I will be getting the all-season version of this tire for the coming seasons. I hear it is damn good as well.

Let me know your thoughts!
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Old 09-10-2012, 01:36 PM   #2
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I have a set of Michelin Pilot Sport A/S Plus tires and I love them. Originally I had o set of Continental DWS A/S tires installed, and hated them (too much sidewall flex)...traded up to the Michelins. Granted these aren't Summer tires, but the dry & wet grip are awesome...too early to give a snow report.

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Old 09-10-2012, 03:29 PM   #3
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You get what you pay for sometimes but you wont know for sure until you pony up a few more bucks which is nothing over a couple of years.
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:01 PM   #4
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Those tires look good as well. I'm definitely buying a set for the coming months. And they really arent that badly priced (186/tire).

Funny story. Moments after I posted this I went home from lunch, noticed my car was pulling to the left. Turns out I had a gash on the inside of my tire, and took it to Discount Tire to find out that it can't be fixed so I ordered 2 new tires.

My rears were 10/12 and my fronts were 8/12. Does the extra wear in the front make sense to you guys? The car is rear bias... Surprisingly I managed to do this in less than 2,000 miles o.O

I had 2 proxes left over that I was going to mount on the fronts till the new tires came in but they told me I cant. Has to be the exact same tire within 4/32nds of eachother.

F** ME

Im out of a car for a couple days.
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Old 09-10-2012, 05:39 PM   #5
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Brakes are biased to the front though, aren't they? Or does that not make sense?

I think the Pilot A/S will be my next tire. I've been driving on some Conti DWS's and while they're quiet and comfy, they don't offer much in terms of performance (they're on an Audi A6, though).
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Old 09-10-2012, 06:17 PM   #6
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I mean it makes some sense, but do far more hard acceleration than hard braking. Hard cornering on the other hand- I guess could make some sense. I'm just guessing at this point.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:05 PM   #7
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The car is front heavy, so the front tires work a lot harder than the rears. And the tires should be within 2/32nds of each other. I'm having the same problem. Blew up both driver side tires and now I'm having to buy a whole new set of 4.
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Old 09-10-2012, 07:17 PM   #8
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You could buy 1 and have it shaved. Unfortunately the places that do this nowadays are few and far between.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:08 PM   #9
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^^ sounds sketchy... hahaha.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:52 AM   #10
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Old 09-12-2012, 10:54 AM   #11
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^^ sounds sketchy... hahaha.
What are you talking about? What do you think you do to street tire class race tires?
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Old 09-12-2012, 02:09 PM   #12
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What are you talking about? What do you think you do to street tire class race tires?

I dont know anything about it, thats why it sounds sketch lol.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:16 PM   #13
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Good to see that you like them. As much as you only had the Proxes 4 on before I would expect ALOT of ultra-high performance summer tires to best it. I would love to see a Star Spec/RE11 go against these.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:17 PM   #14
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The car is definately front heavy, but it sounds like you are really beating on the tires to get that sort of wear in 2k miles. Sounds like you need to rotate them yourself a touch more often.
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Old 09-12-2012, 06:33 PM   #15
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Those tires look good as well. I'm definitely buying a set for the coming months. And they really arent that badly priced (186/tire).

Funny story. Moments after I posted this I went home from lunch, noticed my car was pulling to the left. Turns out I had a gash on the inside of my tire, and took it to Discount Tire to find out that it can't be fixed so I ordered 2 new tires.

My rears were 10/12 and my fronts were 8/12. Does the extra wear in the front make sense to you guys? The car is rear bias... Surprisingly I managed to do this in less than 2,000 miles o.O

I had 2 proxes left over that I was going to mount on the fronts till the new tires came in but they told me I cant. Has to be the exact same tire within 4/32nds of eachother.

F** ME

Im out of a car for a couple days.
you should be rotating your tires more often.....every 3k - 4k at most
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Old 09-12-2012, 06:35 PM   #16
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and i get the federal 595RS-R for $120/ea shipped

best summer tire ever...best bang for the buck on this or any other planet in the system
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:20 AM   #17
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you should be rotating your tires more often.....every 3k - 4k at most
He says that it happened in under 3k miles.
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Old 09-13-2012, 02:46 AM   #18
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He says that it happened in under 3k miles.
car is set up wrong and the tires are soft...
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:46 AM   #19
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Good to see that you like them. As much as you only had the Proxes 4 on before I would expect ALOT of ultra-high performance summer tires to best it. I would love to see a Star Spec/RE11 go against these.
I agree. Based on the treadwear rating, I'm pretty sure that the Michelins would get their you-know-what handed to them as far as pure grip and responsiveness are concerned.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:58 AM   #20
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Those tires look good as well. I'm definitely buying a set for the coming months. And they really arent that badly priced (186/tire).

Funny story. Moments after I posted this I went home from lunch, noticed my car was pulling to the left. Turns out I had a gash on the inside of my tire, and took it to Discount Tire to find out that it can't be fixed so I ordered 2 new tires.

My rears were 10/12 and my fronts were 8/12. Does the extra wear in the front make sense to you guys? The car is rear bias... Surprisingly I managed to do this in less than 2,000 miles o.O

I had 2 proxes left over that I was going to mount on the fronts till the new tires came in but they told me I cant. Has to be the exact same tire within 4/32nds of eachother.

F** ME

Im out of a car for a couple days.
Did you have your car aligned when you got the new tires? By someone that knows what they are doing? If your answer is no to either questions, you need to get this done. Doesn't matter if the car is pulling to one side or not. That wear sounds very excessive unless you are really running hard. I've run softer tires than yours with a couple autocrosses thrown in that didn't wear as heavily.
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:47 PM   #21
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I dont have too much opportunity to contribute to the great wealth of knowledge on this site, but I just want to say a few words about this tire.


---Previous Tire, Toyo Proxes 4 (benchmark)
I got my 05 STi a year and a half ago and was blown away by the grip. I was running stock tire size with Toyo Proxes 4. Overall these tires were pretty good for summer/wet. In the winter they were not that great. I was a bit disappointed as it being my first AWD car. I feel my old 94 accord did better in some areas with A/S tires.

When I really started DRIVING the car I got used to where the tires started breaking free, and it was fairly gradual and predictable.

When launching the car i could get a little tire rotation between 5-6k rpm in complete dry.

I feel that these tires wore down pretty quickly. Before I swapped them out I had put maybe 13k Miles on them and I noticed a significant drop-off in mid-corner grip

---New Tire, Michelin Pilot Supersport
Before I got into these the guy at Discount Tire tried to sell me on the A/S version of these tires, but at the beginning of summer I wanted some seriously grippy tires, i was between the Supersports or the Dunlop direzza star-specs. I paid about 900 out the door.

As soon as I wore these things in a bit I noticed a few things. The sidewalls seemed a little bit more compliant than the Toyos. I cant say this is accurate but its my gut feel. I havent noticed any difference in road noise with these tires either.

After hitting a few hard corners (270 degree on-ramps, long highway sweepers) I could immediately tell I had a LOT more available grip, and the traction loss was even more gradual.

When launching I have yet to get these tires to noticeably break free (at the same 5-6k launch) with DCCD in auto or rear-bias. My car is completely stock, stage 2 is coming soon so maybe I can change that!

Somehow here in Mount Vernon, WA we have only seen 2 or 3 days of rain in the last few months so I cant really compare the wet-traction, although I hear it is just as good as the proxes.


---Conclusions
Overall this is a great tire and I highly recommend to anyone looking for a high-performance summer tire. I will be getting the all-season version of this tire for the coming seasons. I hear it is damn good as well.

Let me know your thoughts!
great post, i'm sold, as soon as spring hits i will be purchasing a set
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Old 09-13-2012, 05:51 PM   #22
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Did you have your car aligned when you got the new tires? By someone that knows what they are doing? If your answer is no to either questions, you need to get this done. Doesn't matter if the car is pulling to one side or not. That wear sounds very excessive unless you are really running hard. I've run softer tires than yours with a couple autocrosses thrown in that didn't wear as heavily.
that sux i heard it can mess up your center dif with two different tread wears or two different tires types
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Old 09-13-2012, 09:49 PM   #23
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I run 19" Pilot Supersports on my 335i (245/35R19, 275/30R19). I had Hankook Ventus Evo V12 on there before, and found them not so great (kind of loud, not very grippy), although they were very inexpensive. The Supersports, in comparison, have very high grip, less noise, and a more compliant sidewall. They cost a little more, but I think they're a great tire for the money. Wet traction is very good, too.

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Old 09-14-2012, 06:29 PM   #24
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and i get the federal 595RS-R for $120/ea shipped

best summer tire ever...best bang for the buck on this or any other planet in the system
How many miles do you get out of them? Just curious, I've never ran a R spec tire before..
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Old 09-15-2012, 11:06 PM   #25
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How many miles do you get out of them? Just curious, I've never ran a R spec tire before..
It's not an "R" spec tire, they are street legal. I ran them in the largest size they make and they were a very good street tire. They lasted me one season partly because they wear FAST during autox. Not too grippy at their limits either.
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