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Old 09-12-2012, 01:03 PM   #1
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Default Cobb ap Stage 1 for 2013 Wrx

EDIT: COBB RELEASED THE 2013 AP SUPPORT ON NOVEMBER 29th, and ANOTHER FIRMWARE UPDATE ON THE 30th.

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Is anyone aware of a stage one map available for the 2013 wrx, or if there are any previous versions that are compatible with my car? My rex is just about broken in, and I want to run an intake and have a moderate map flashed. If anyone could let me know it would be greatly appreciated.

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Old 09-12-2012, 08:17 PM   #2
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Call cobb. Done.
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Old 09-13-2012, 10:21 AM   #3
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Hello,

Is anyone aware of a stage one map available for the 2013 wrx, or if there are any previous versions that are compatible with my car? My rex is just about broken in, and I want to run an intake and have a moderate map flashed. If anyone could let me know it would be greatly appreciated.

-James
Although the major components of the car is virtually the same as the 2012, Subaru still uses a different ECU for all of the 2013 turbo models. That means we will have to work on developing the support for the 2013 WRX, STi and FXT, which involves reverse-engineering the ECU (verifying ECU logic changes and defining tables/monitors for tuning purposes), adding software/firmware support, creating maps, and testing all this on actual vehicles (on dyno and street). At this point, we are too early in the process to give an ETA for 2013 support.

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Old 09-28-2012, 02:10 PM   #4
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Although the major components of the car is virtually the same as the 2012, Subaru still uses a different ECU for all of the 2013 turbo models. That means we will have to work on developing the support for the 2013 WRX, STi and FXT, which involves reverse-engineering the ECU (verifying ECU logic changes and defining tables/monitors for tuning purposes), adding software/firmware support, creating maps, and testing all this on actual vehicles (on dyno and street). At this point, we are too early in the process to give an ETA for 2013 support.

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Does that mean the factory tune is different? Or does it mean the ECU is just setup differently and thats requiring the R&D. Maybe both?
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Old 09-29-2012, 11:13 AM   #5
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The tune shouldnt be all that different on a stock 2013, but perhaps. Usually when a new car comes out, or model year, the coding for the ecu needs to be read and Tuners need to be able to hack into that coding. Thats the general idea.
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Old 09-30-2012, 10:36 AM   #6
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Does that mean the factory tune is different? Or does it mean the ECU is just setup differently and thats requiring the R&D. Maybe both?
The tune (as far as performance is concerned) is identical to the 2012, but it is a new ECU so there are steps that have to be followed to add tuning support, etc. for it. There are some minor differences in the calibration (typical of stuff they would tweak from year-to-year) but none of it will impact boost, fueling, ign. timing, or cam. timing.

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Old 10-31-2012, 11:40 AM   #7
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The tune (as far as performance is concerned) is identical to the 2012, but it is a new ECU so there are steps that have to be followed to add tuning support, etc. for it. There are some minor differences in the calibration (typical of stuff they would tweak from year-to-year) but none of it will impact boost, fueling, ign. timing, or cam. timing.

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Any kind of an update? ETA? Anything?

I've had the car for almost 3 months and getting that itch...
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Old 10-31-2012, 12:20 PM   #8
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Old 11-01-2012, 09:21 AM   #9
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Any kind of an update? ETA? Anything?

I've had the car for almost 3 months and getting that itch...
We are working on arranging 2013 local customer cars for testing of the new software/firmware. It is difficult to give an ETA as this really depends on what cars we can find to test on, when the customers can bring the car in around their schedule, how much time we can spend on each car, etc.

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Old 11-01-2012, 11:58 AM   #10
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Too bad I'm in NorCal. I'd let you use my sti
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Old 11-01-2012, 02:57 PM   #11
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We are working on arranging 2013 local customer cars for testing of the new software/firmware. It is difficult to give an ETA as this really depends on what cars we can find to test on, when the customers can bring the car in around their schedule, how much time we can spend on each car, etc.

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take a looooooong test drive of one from your local dealership.

If I was closer you could have used mine.
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Old 11-02-2012, 03:42 PM   #12
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We are working on arranging 2013 local customer cars for testing of the new software/firmware. It is difficult to give an ETA as this really depends on what cars we can find to test on, when the customers can bring the car in around their schedule, how much time we can spend on each car, etc.

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Hey Bill

I am near Torrance, and I am interested in helping you guys out if you still need a test car, my car is 2013 wrx with 2000+ miles on it.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:45 PM   #13
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I am near Torrance, and I am interested in helping you guys out if you still need a test car, my car is 2013 wrx with 2000+ miles on it.
Thanks for the offer, but we are primarily doing this at the Austin, TX location and already have some cars lined up as of now.

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Old 11-03-2012, 12:51 PM   #14
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Hello,

Is anyone aware of a stage one map available for the 2013 wrx, or if there are any previous versions that are compatible with my car? My rex is just about broken in, and I want to run an intake and have a moderate map flashed. If anyone could let me know it would be greatly appreciated.

-James
Torqued Performance has maps for the 2013 model open source.....not accessport

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Old 11-03-2012, 08:37 PM   #15
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Subscribed.

In an effort to be prepared when you are complete with your testing; could I purchase a current AP and just load the maps when they are developed?

Thanks!
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Old 11-04-2012, 10:26 AM   #16
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In an effort to be prepared when you are complete with your testing; could I purchase a current AP and just load the maps when they are developed?

Thanks!
Yes, you can purchase a SUB-003 AccessPORT now and when 2013 support is released, you would simply update your AccessPORT's firmware via the AccessPORT Manager software:
http://www.cobbtuning.com/AccessPORT...irmware-update

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Old 11-07-2012, 09:14 AM   #17
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I'm at 487 miles as of this morning. PLEASE put this on the front burner, COBB. Us 13 guys are ready!
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:33 AM   #18
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I'm at 487 miles as of this morning. PLEASE put this on the front burner, COBB. Us 13 guys are ready!
We can assure you that 2013 support is our highest priority. In order to make sure we are delivering a quality product, we find customers with the 2013 vehicles in question and do extensive testing of the new software/firmware on the dyno and street in multiple hardware configurations. We also are looking at the possibility of making improvements to the maps rather than just using the prior GR tunes. All this takes a little longer, but we want to ensure that we deliver the best possible product to our customers.

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Old 11-07-2012, 02:32 PM   #19
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Will you also be looking for evidence of a flsh counter while testing?
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Will you also be looking for evidence of a flsh counter while testing?
EXCELLENT question spindr, and to which the answer is of paramount concern to me. We all know that the dice is rolled with any mods--especially tuning. It would be a significant deterrent if Subaru has implented that type of functionality into their 2013 ECU...

COBB--if one were to utilize an opensource tune option now, will the upcoming accesPORT be able to also "erase" evidence of tunes that are flashed with another product, such as the tactrix cable/Torqued performance maps (which are currently available)?

We realize that technically, the open source options compete in a way, but for those of us like me that intend to purchase your product anyway, I feel that it's a legitimite question as to whether the AccesPORT can erase flashes from other devices.

Thanks for being as forthcoming and supportive. I'm a brand new Subaru owner, and already completely immersed in this car/community.
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Will you also be looking for evidence of a flsh counter while testing?
Hmm. Ditto. Seems all the threads I've read go back and forth on if Subaru can tell if its been flashes (even after one reloads the stock map)
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Old 11-07-2012, 08:15 PM   #23
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If Subaru has implemented an actual flash counter into the ECU of their new vehicles I bet their going to have the dealerships use it. Just like GM.
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Old 11-07-2012, 10:58 PM   #24
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What have you new 2013 sti owners done to ur car so far? and can u post pics if possible i just purchased one, trying to get some ideas one what to do
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Old 11-08-2012, 10:47 AM   #25
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Some points to keep in mind as far as the dealership detecting reflashes:

1. A dealership and/or SOA has the capability of directly or indirectly detecting a currently installed tune (i.e. reflash) regardless of what tuning solution you are using (Cobb, OS, or Ecutek). There are various methods they can employ that we are aware of, but it appears it is not something they do often.

2. There are methods that a dealership can use to indirectly make an assumption about whether you've recently reflashed the ECU or not, even if the factory tune is present when you bring it in. One example is that later models have an obdii parameter that gives you the distance traveled since the ECU was reset. Regardless of the solution, if you reflash a map, you also reset the ECU, so all these learned parameters are cleared. So, a check of that parameter will show that the ECU was recently reset. Other parameters, such as the status of obdii readiness tests can also help someone to infer the same thing. Of course, a battery disconnect could also cause the same ECU reset. Again, not something they appear to do very often.

3. A flash counter already exists on 08+ or so Subarus. It is only incremented by the dealership's tool when they reflash to a newer Subaru ROM image. As such, since the v2 AccessPORT backs up your factory image (assuming you didn't have some other tune on there) when you install the AccessPORT and restores the ROM image when you uninstall, you will not be impacted by this flash counter.

Keep in mind that, generally speaking, the above methods are not usually employed by dealerships unless they suspect abuse as it relates to a warranty claim. Even then, generally they are more concerned with hard parts modifications such as intake or exhaust mods, rather than an ECU reflash. There are certainly some dealerships that are more tolerant of basic mods (including reflashes) than others. In fact, some may sell and install these parts. Finding a mod-friendly dealership is good idea if you are planning on modifying your car during the warranty period. Of course, there is no guarantee against anything - any dealership or SOA can come to any conclusion they want, but being honest about your mods and getting an understanding ahead of time about how a dealership feels about mods is usually a good idea. Regardless, there are federal laws in place to protect the consumer against warranty denials when the aftermarket part (including a reflash) is not the cause of the failure.

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