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Old 11-17-2012, 09:09 PM   #51
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1 month 3k miles on my 2013 I'd love to have it to see if i can get any more efficiency out of my car. was hitting 28 mpg till cold weather came
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:25 PM   #52
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1 month 3k miles on my 2013 I'd love to have it to see if i can get any more efficiency out of my car. was hitting 28 mpg till cold weather came
You must commute a lot. I have had my car since sept i dont even have 3k miles. Jakefisher is on OTS right now if anyone thinks their tuner can have a go @ it. Only choice while everyone waits
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:02 PM   #53
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Happy to see that things are progressing and that, realistically, we will have something by January. The next month is going to fly by anyway. Have to order my AP soon!
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:13 PM   #54
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1 month 3k miles on my 2013 I'd love to have it to see if i can get any more efficiency out of my car. was hitting 28 mpg till cold weather came
How? I drive mostly highway to work and don't drive like a douche and it If I avg 22 I'm lucky. Do anything special?
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:09 PM   #55
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How? I drive mostly highway to work and don't drive like a douche and it If I avg 22 I'm lucky. Do anything special?
Thats what i am trying to say thats almost 100 miles a day. I avg 20.7 yay winter wheels
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:26 PM   #56
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So, I've called Cobb twice in the last 2 weeks about getting an AP for my 2013 WRX ....I asked if I could purchase the current AP, then just update firmware/software when it was available for the 2013. The person on the phone said not to purchase it yet ... as there may need to be other changes ... i.e. hardware wise ....

So, my question ... can I buy the current AP, then update it later, as soon as 2013 firmware/software is available or not? (I've seen someone from Cobb posting that we could buy the current one, upgrade later)

Thanks, .... just hit 780 miles on the WRX .... would love to get thing moving!
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:28 PM   #57
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So, I've called Cobb twice in the last 2 weeks about getting an AP for my 2013 WRX ....I asked if I could purchase the current AP, then just update firmware/software when it was available for the 2013. The person on the phone said not to purchase it yet ... as there may need to be other changes ... i.e. hardware wise ....

So, my question ... can I buy the current AP, then update it later, as soon as 2013 firmware/software is available or not? (I've seen someone from Cobb posting that we could buy the current one, upgrade later)

Thanks, .... just hit 780 miles on the WRX .... would love to get thing moving!
I have already purchased mine, so if there is a hardware change then I would like to know also.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:31 AM   #58
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How? I drive mostly highway to work and don't drive like a douche and it If I avg 22 I'm lucky. Do anything special?

70 mph and a really steady foot i guess (wasn't using cruise), it was all highway millage as soon as i hit city driving it drops like a rock.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:48 AM   #59
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So, I've called Cobb twice in the last 2 weeks about getting an AP for my 2013 WRX ....I asked if I could purchase the current AP, then just update firmware/software when it was available for the 2013. The person on the phone said not to purchase it yet ... as there may need to be other changes ... i.e. hardware wise ....

So, my question ... can I buy the current AP, then update it later, as soon as 2013 firmware/software is available or not? (I've seen someone from Cobb posting that we could buy the current one, upgrade later)

Thanks, .... just hit 780 miles on the WRX .... would love to get thing moving!
Post #16 in this thread by Cobb says OK to purchase 003 and update firmware when available.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:26 PM   #60
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Hey All,

New here, got a 2013 STI Wagon coming sometime in December (no ETA yet). Been looking online for info on reflash and mod info. I will be subscribing to this thread; look forward to the 2013 map then! PM if any group buy opportunities become available!

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Old 11-19-2012, 02:49 PM   #61
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Some points to keep in mind as far as the dealership detecting reflashes:

1. A dealership and/or SOA has the capability of directly or indirectly detecting a currently installed tune (i.e. reflash) regardless of what tuning solution you are using (Cobb, OS, or Ecutek). There are various methods they can employ that we are aware of, but it appears it is not something they do often.

2. There are methods that a dealership can use to indirectly make an assumption about whether you've recently reflashed the ECU or not, even if the factory tune is present when you bring it in. One example is that later models have an obdii parameter that gives you the distance traveled since the ECU was reset. Regardless of the solution, if you reflash a map, you also reset the ECU, so all these learned parameters are cleared. So, a check of that parameter will show that the ECU was recently reset. Other parameters, such as the status of obdii readiness tests can also help someone to infer the same thing. Of course, a battery disconnect could also cause the same ECU reset. Again, not something they appear to do very often.

3. A flash counter already exists on 08+ or so Subarus. It is only incremented by the dealership's tool when they reflash to a newer Subaru ROM image. As such, since the v2 AccessPORT backs up your factory image (assuming you didn't have some other tune on there) when you install the AccessPORT and restores the ROM image when you uninstall, you will not be impacted by this flash counter.

Keep in mind that, generally speaking, the above methods are not usually employed by dealerships unless they suspect abuse as it relates to a warranty claim. Even then, generally they are more concerned with hard parts modifications such as intake or exhaust mods, rather than an ECU reflash. There are certainly some dealerships that are more tolerant of basic mods (including reflashes) than others. In fact, some may sell and install these parts. Finding a mod-friendly dealership is good idea if you are planning on modifying your car during the warranty period. Of course, there is no guarantee against anything - any dealership or SOA can come to any conclusion they want, but being honest about your mods and getting an understanding ahead of time about how a dealership feels about mods is usually a good idea. Regardless, there are federal laws in place to protect the consumer against warranty denials when the aftermarket part (including a reflash) is not the cause of the failure.

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This should be a sticky if it isn't already. Lots of misinformation floating around this forum regarding this issue and Bill just made it (objectively BTW) crystal clear. While some of the wankers will inevitably say "they just want to sell products", I'd say you appropriately disclaimed the risk. Bravo and thank you sir.
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Old 11-19-2012, 05:09 PM   #62
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This should be a sticky if it isn't already. Lots of misinformation floating around this forum regarding this issue and Bill just made it (objectively BTW) crystal clear. While some of the wankers will inevitably say "they just want to sell products", I'd say you appropriately disclaimed the risk. Bravo and thank you sir.
Ditto... I think he has made it pretty clear.
And can't wait until its ready for my '13 STI!
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:34 PM   #63
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alright ... called them again today ... confirmed that purchasing the current 2012 version AP will be firmware upgradeable to work for a 2013 when available ... guess I'll buy mine now .... to make sure I have one!
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:47 AM   #64
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Cobb ap float around all the time. Ita expensive ans not evwn including a tune but it beats using a tatrix cable.

I am assuming if using a tatrix cable amd going OTS you are officially on your own? Do you guys think that going AP has a better chance of not denying your warranty going to mod-friendly dealership?
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Old 11-24-2012, 02:43 PM   #65
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Subscribed and waiting for 2013 Map COBB release/group purchase.

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Old 11-24-2012, 07:34 PM   #66
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There will be new threads started in this sub-forum, the cobbforums, and other major Subaru forums to announce 2013 support when it is released. If I find out that it won't be released before the end of December, I'll update this thread in particular.

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Thanks for the updates. I picked up one during the Black Friday special and am looking forward to the release! Take your time, would rather have it refined than not.
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Old 11-24-2012, 08:46 PM   #67
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I got my '13 in the beginning of October and I have close to 9k miles on it already. Mostly highway driving though. I really hope the new AP comes out soon. I want to get my protune done at the socal cobb facility as soon as I can. Lets see if how much I can get out of my wrx with stage 2.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:27 PM   #68
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Just got off the phone with them today. They're releasing them by the end of the week!
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:56 PM   #69
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Just got off the phone with them today. They're releasing them by the end of the week!
I hope this actually happens!
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:41 PM   #70
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just spoke with them as well, and the rep I spoke with concurred that this is the plan.

I was unable to get a solid answer from him as to whether any maps will be available yet with aftermarket intakes included....
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:12 PM   #71
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good news!
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:46 AM   #72
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Nice! As soon as they are released, I'm ordering it!
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:02 AM   #73
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Nice! As soon as they are released, I'm ordering it!
you may likely get one that still needs to be upgraded, basically what I'm saying is you can order one now if you like
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:11 AM   #74
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Good point. Then all I will have to do is update it off the net...Calling them tomorrow to order one up. Sweet!
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:27 AM   #75
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just spoke with them as well, and the rep I spoke with concurred that this is the plan.

I was unable to get a solid answer from him as to whether any maps will be available yet with aftermarket intakes included....
Why would they note release all the maps at once?? Do they usually develop the more in depth maps over longer time periods?
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