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Old 07-18-2015, 09:07 PM   #1
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Looking for some serious opinions from people, especially from anyone who has experience with BMWs.

I currently own an S2000 and a 2015 WRX and recently I've been really wanting to simplify and reduce down to one vehicle, mainly because it's a pain to have two in an apartment community. The obvious choice would be to keep the WRX but honestly I've been underwhelmed by it over the past year. It's a great car but I just want something more exciting (preferably with a nicer interior) and I don't plan to spend time or money modding it.

My plan was to wait and see what Subaru did with the next STi, but I'm concerned it'll feel too similar to the WRX. (never driven an STi). The only reason I haven't dismissed it is the AWD. I love knowing my car can get me anywhere I need to go, in almost any weather. I refuse to drive the S2000 if there is any threat of snow and with an STi I wouldn't have to worry about that.

My latest idea however is to sell both and order a new BMW M3 for a daily driver. Is giving up the Subaru AWD for a single car with RWD (or a BMW) a mistake? Can an M3 with winter tires drive safely in the snow? BMW salesman said absolutely not, but real owners seem to say otherwise. I live in the Seattle area and we don't get snow usually more than a few days a year, but there is the occasional threat and I do like being able to make it over the mountain passes to visit family around the holidays. I've never owned a BMW, so I expect there's the expensive maintenance to consider also. I've been lured in by their new twin turbo engine and fancy gadgets, but I don't want to make an expensive mistake. I'm sure there is a bias toward Subaru here, but all opinions are welcome. Thanks!
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Old 07-18-2015, 09:21 PM   #2
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Just get a 335ix. It's just as fast as the M3 and AWD.
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Old 07-18-2015, 09:32 PM   #3
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Lease it, so you always have a warranty.
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:43 PM   #4
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Old 07-18-2015, 10:50 PM   #5
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my dad's e90 M3 has never had problems in the snow with proper winter tires. Sure it won't be as good as an AWD car in the snow but it's good enough to get around in.

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Old 07-18-2015, 10:50 PM   #6
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Wow you literally have my dream garage and you want to give it up for a ****ty unreliable German car?
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Old 07-18-2015, 11:03 PM   #7
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BMW cars fit the bill for what you describe, but anything rwd is going to be a real pain in the a** in the winter. I did two winters with a g37 here in Pennsylvania and I lost 15 lbs each winter shoveling it out of my driveway. Lol

If you want a luxury coup that is also road worthy and still somewhat practical and sporty, look no further than an Audi A5 or the Mercedes C300 4matic. Before I purchased my 15 STI I test drove both. I wasn't ready to get the mandatory country club membership and loafers though.. Don't count out a preowned Skyline either. The off lease deals the German car companies offer are tough to beat with the warranty, maintenance, and bells and whistles concierge service. The S, M, and AMG cars are a ripoff though unless you are making more than 500k a year. If that is your budget, I'd try to step up to the R8 or the new Lexus coupe (modern supra).

Just depends on what you can spend and need the car to do.
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Old 07-18-2015, 11:15 PM   #8
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If you are going to cut down to one car a M3 is a good choice and will certainly keep you happy. But from experience it's not that great of a winter daily driver. You would be most happy with an older cheap awd impreza to go with it.
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Old 07-18-2015, 11:19 PM   #9
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Looking for some serious opinions from people, especially from anyone who has experience with BMWs.

I currently own an S2000 and a 2015 WRX and recently I've been really wanting to simplify and reduce down to one vehicle, mainly because it's a pain to have two in an apartment community. The obvious choice would be to keep the WRX but honestly I've been underwhelmed by it over the past year. It's a great car but I just want something more exciting (preferably with a nicer interior) and I don't plan to spend time or money modding it.

My plan was to wait and see what Subaru did with the next STi, but I'm concerned it'll feel too similar to the WRX. (never driven an STi). The only reason I haven't dismissed it is the AWD. I love knowing my car can get me anywhere I need to go, in almost any weather. I refuse to drive the S2000 if there is any threat of snow and with an STi I wouldn't have to worry about that.

My latest idea however is to sell both and order a new BMW M3 for a daily driver. Is giving up the Subaru AWD for a single car with RWD (or a BMW) a mistake? Can an M3 with winter tires drive safely in the snow? BMW salesman said absolutely not, but real owners seem to say otherwise. I live in the Seattle area and we don't get snow usually more than a few days a year, but there is the occasional threat and I do like being able to make it over the mountain passes to visit family around the holidays. I've never owned a BMW, so I expect there's the expensive maintenance to consider also. I've been lured in by their new twin turbo engine and fancy gadgets, but I don't want to make an expensive mistake. I'm sure there is a bias toward Subaru here, but all opinions are welcome. Thanks!
Hello,

I owned a E90 M3 for a while. ****ing great car I seriously miss it. Had it through one NW Oregon winter. Never felt secure with it. I drive over a pass at 1500 feet. Mild really but that car stayed in the garage a lot.

I am now driving my second STI and feel much more secure in the daily commute all year around. Our winters are typically mellow but I do not want to get caught out when the ice roads and other winter **** hits. The M3 is awesome car, I miss it a lot, but all around its suited for weather that stays well above freezing.
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Old 07-18-2015, 11:27 PM   #10
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My input is that I just drove a brand new M3 and it's a beast. Loved it. Torque in heaps.
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Old 07-18-2015, 11:30 PM   #11
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I think going from AWD to RWD would make you a sad panda in the winter. Now that I have AWD I am never going without it again.

I like the advice to get an AWD twin-turbo BMW.
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Old 07-19-2015, 01:00 AM   #12
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Just get a 335ix. It's just as fast as the M3 and AWD.
Thanks for the advice! I checked that one out and also the Audi S4 but I'm not really in love with how they look. A little more pedestrian than the M3 I think and for that kind of money I want to love the whole package. I'd probably stick with the STi over those, even though the interior won't be as nice.
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Old 07-19-2015, 01:23 AM   #13
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A Subaru will never be premium. It isn't their market.

If you don't what what Subaru offers, you don't buy a Subaru.

Alternatives? Plenty.

Golf R, an array of Audis, any BMW with xDrive, CLA maybe, Mini Countryman if you're feeling a little British, any SUV on the market. I mean take your pick. There's piles of options.
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Old 07-19-2015, 01:44 AM   #14
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Wow you literally have my dream garage and you want to give it up for a ****ty unreliable German car?
I love the S2000 but the excitement has mostly worn off for me. I'd probably feel differently if I took it to the track every once in awhile but on public roads it's not a whole lot of fun (except for the occasional freeway on-ramp). I never expected I'd be interested in a german car either, but it's tough to find a single car that can replace both an S2000 and a WRX. If Subaru made a high end version of the STi I'd be all over that instead. I still haven't completely counted it out yet, depending on what improvements they make to it next year. The WRX just feels kind of weak at higher speeds compared to the S2000 and it's already leaving me wanting a little more.
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Old 07-19-2015, 02:17 AM   #15
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If you are going to cut down to one car a M3 is a good choice and will certainly keep you happy. But from experience it's not that great of a winter daily driver. You would be most happy with an older cheap awd impreza to go with it.
If having multiple cars wasn't such a pain for me I would for sure keep a Subaru for winters. Parking is an issue (costs extra $ too), and then there's the licensing fees and insurance to go along with the second vehicle. In the Seattle area we don't usually get heavy snow, but the mountain passes can sometimes get dicey. Mostly I just don't want to have to worry about getting surprised by a few inches while I'm at the office. I'd never expect an M3 would be anywhere near as good as the WRX in the winter, but if it can be done safely with the right tires I feel like I'd enjoy it more the other 99% of the time when there isn't any snow.

Would be nice if Subaru refreshed the engine of the STi with something in the range of 350-400hp to stay competitive. I'd for sure give up the BMW bells and whistles for that. The fantastic AWD will always be a huge plus, but I'm just not sure if I really need it where I live.
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Old 07-19-2015, 03:36 AM   #16
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M3's are amazing cars! I have a couple friends that run them year round not matter the weather. Obviously not going to be as easy as a subaru, but they are really fun.

I've had an E46M3 and E36M3, what brought me out of them and into a subaru was lack of maintenance. M3's require A LOT of maintenance. Get onto M3forum.net and take a look at what people are paying to maintain them. I'll get back into one again, but it will be a second car, not my only one.
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Old 07-19-2015, 07:50 AM   #17
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Are looking at a brand new M3, or a used one? All-year round car, definitely not the M3, specially the new one, even on mild winters. That car make tonnes of torque. If a Euro car is a must, 340iX. Personally, I will never get a car made by V.A.G... at least for the near future.

But if you can wait, just go get the STI when they put in the new 2.0 in it. Subaru is a major manufacturer and they sure won't make the stupid mistake of creating a car with less than the 305hp they have now.

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Old 07-19-2015, 08:03 AM   #18
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Idea: buy a crapy beater keep it at the office lot clear it with the big boss first. If the ice hits while at work or you know ahead of time, leave the M3 at work and drive the beater for a few days. Problem solved.
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Old 07-19-2015, 09:33 AM   #19
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I had a 330ci for three years in the snow, did just fine (and had quite a bit of fun) in the snow, with snow tires. Granted that was an 03 330 with 230 hp not an M3/M4 but its definitely do able. Personally, I don't see letting what, maybe 7-15 days a year of snow dictate what you'll drive all year. If you want the M3/M4, get it, snow tires, and an extended warranty...and be happy. I just recently went from two cars to one (05 Outback XT and 09 Miata to WRX) and it does make life easier (thought as soon as I can afford another Miata I'll be getting one to keep the WRX company...miss it dearly)

Something else to consider, you could sell the two cars you have, get an STI, have it reliably tuned for 350ish HP and save thousands vs an M3/M4 (depending on whether you're looking at a new M3/M4 or a used one)
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Old 07-19-2015, 10:00 AM   #20
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I love the S2000 but the excitement has mostly worn off for me. I'd probably feel differently if I took it to the track every once in awhile but on public roads it's not a whole lot of fun (except for the occasional freeway on-ramp). I never expected I'd be interested in a german car either, but it's tough to find a single car that can replace both an S2000 and a WRX. If Subaru made a high end version of the STi I'd be all over that instead. I still haven't completely counted it out yet, depending on what improvements they make to it next year. The WRX just feels kind of weak at higher speeds compared to the S2000 and it's already leaving me wanting a little more.
Unfortunate but I guess it's true. Well in that case get a Nissan GTR!!! It's like the same price as a new M3 and way better imo.

I heard a BMW M3 is essentially a tuned 335i so you can buy a 335xi (AWD) and convert it to an M3 basically.
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Old 07-19-2015, 10:59 AM   #21
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I heard a BMW M3 is essentially a tuned 335i so you can buy a 335xi (AWD) and convert it to an M3 basically.
That statement couldn't possibly be more inaccurate, lol.
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Old 07-19-2015, 11:40 AM   #22
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My Suggestion:

Sell the S2000, keep the WRX, and go buy a nice used C6 Corvette.

I've had a convertible C6 Corvette in the Seattle area for 8 years, and I've driven a few S2000s. I wanted to like the S2000, but it just doesn't wake up until you get it over 6000 rpms, which makes it a little dull on the street. The Corvette has none of that behavior. It will put a grin on your face at any speed and in any gear.

I'm really new to Subaru and the WRX and haven't driven it on anything but dry pavement yet. I'm fine with RWD in the snow (previous daily driver before the WRX was a Camaro SS - yeah, I like torque), but am curious how the Subaru will do this winter.

I've also driven a few BMWs, including the 335 and M3. They're nice, but not my thing. To me, the Corvette is much more fun.
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Old 07-19-2015, 12:03 PM   #23
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Sell the S2000 and take the money you have for an M3 and the money you have from the sale to invest in real estate. Buy a house instead of a grossly depreciating entity like a German car. Why have these crazy expensive cars but continue to live in an apartment? You're losing money hand over fist.
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Old 07-19-2015, 01:01 PM   #24
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Get the M4
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