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Old 09-17-2012, 08:00 PM   #26
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I'm NOT paying $20+ for coolant. If it comes to that, I'll just do what I do for industrial plasmas, and run a higher mix of distilled water. Besides, I live where it never snows, and I've never had a car "freeze". The water is actually what does the cooling, the other chemicals are to prevent freezing, also the water pump supposedly needs some of the additives.
I could just use the distilled water, but I've went out of my way to stick to subarus specifications and not void my warranty. I have enough coolant to get to Mastro this weekend. Will give them a call tomorrow morning.
If it ends up being a "total loss" liquid cooling system, like the "total loss" oiling system on my car, I may as well just get the cheapest stuff I can find, and check it often.

Actually Antifreeze is used for keeping it from being corrosive as much as it keeps it from freezing.

If you are going to run distilled i would advise you throw some Water Wetter additive to the coolant system.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:15 PM   #27
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Coolant also works to keep the engine cool. It is designed to work best at the proper dilution. (for example 50/50 mix) It works better mixed with water than it does alone If there is a problem a they test it and find that it is diluted in any way it all lands in your lap. I would spend the 27 bucks, top it up to the correct level and see what happens.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:21 PM   #28
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I washed it when I got home from my after-work errands, and left it outside to dry. I got an UNUSUALLY high amount of love-bugs and blind mosquitos this morning.
By the time it was "dry" a torrential downpour was unleased. So I have it under the garage awning/eave and out of the rain. When its dryer, I'll let it run for fifteen mins or so in the garage, and I have some cardboard from a tv I'd bought and saved. I'll just let it run and go shut it off after a good bit of running time over the cardboard, and let it sit overnight.
Maybe I'll get around to removing the plastic underneath and looking for leaks, if time and weather permit.
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Old 09-17-2012, 08:28 PM   #29
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Well- being that I have lost the entire contents of the bottle, save for a few ounces, I just can't see spending that kind of money. And in non-freezing tropical areas like florida, there really isn't any harm in running 60 water/40 antifreeze.
In my modded ZRX1200, I run one part antifreeze, two parts water, and I've never had any cooling problems and it's a only ever lost a few ounces in tens of thousands of miles. Oh, I do also add a bit of Water Wetter to the Kaw.
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Old 09-17-2012, 10:40 PM   #30
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Well when I get around to bringing my car back to the dealership for the damn squeaky seat, I'll tell them that the coolant level is a little low and see what they say. The guys at my dealership seem lazy so I'm sure they'll just top it off without checking for a leak.
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:13 AM   #31
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Well when I get around to bringing my car back to the dealership for the damn squeaky seat, I'll tell them that the coolant level is a little low and see what they say. The guys at my dealership seem lazy so I'm sure they'll just top it off without checking for a leak.
If you find the leak first, they'll fix it. That's what my VW dealership did for me.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:48 AM   #32
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I sent an Email to Soa to document the low coolant and to inquire about clarifying the part of the manual regarding coolant. No response. Typical. The emporor really doesn't like to be told the truth about his new clothes!
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:52 AM   #33
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^^ Well, it is early in the morning yet....
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:01 AM   #34
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True. They haven't anwered my last couple Emails, and when I call I just get put on hold endlessly. I don't think they have training to deal with a customer as dissatisfied as I am. Funny thing is- I've never like, crossed the line or anything. I am just unwilling to bend on my position about the quart-per-1200 allowance to be a sham. Of course, the whistle-blower is never a popular guy from a big company's point of view.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:15 AM   #35
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I still think you should focus your dealings toward Mastro. They're the ones who are working to help you. They're the ones who have a representative on this forum who wants to show all of us how customer service is supposed to be done.

So let Mastro do what they do best, and leave SOA and the original dealership out of the picture. I'd only escalate to SOA if Mastro doesn't help you either. But I think they will, if given the time and opportunity to do so.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:49 AM   #36
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Yeah, that's exactly what my minset is. I just like to have record of all problems and record of them with soa, whether soa likes it or not.
Problem is, Mastro is a hell of a drive and I'm BUSY with my shop. Sooo I guess I do like to vent on the net about all the headaches with my brand new 2012 Subaru Impreza. I have a busy life and this car is getting in my way at this point. It's a been to dealers at least seven times. The longest its gone without a visit to a dealership is 3000mi or so. And being that I complained early about the coolant and got the answer I did, I feel the need to let folks know.
You are correct, however. Mastro Subaru are a model of what customer service should be.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:03 AM   #37
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Coolant also works to keep the engine cool. It is designed to work best at the proper dilution. (for example 50/50 mix) It works better mixed with water than it does alone If there is a problem a they test it and find that it is diluted in any way it all lands in your lap. I would spend the 27 bucks, top it up to the correct level and see what happens.
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Paul Check this out. "Water has amazingly superior heat transfer properties compared to virtually any other liquid cooling
medium - far superior to glycol-based coolants. As
shown in Table 1, water has almost 2.5 times greater
thermal conductivity compared to glycol coolants.
Mixtures of glycol and water have nearly proportional
improvement due to the addition of water"
http://www.redlineoil.com/content/fi...ech%20Info.pdf


So, It really only provides a lower freezing point and corrosion inhibitor. This is why all race cars run straight water with Water wetter (if the coolant is kept in the car)

The higher boiling point has more to do with the liquid under pressure than the coolant added although its does have a slightly higher boiling point than water.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:21 PM   #38
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Damn this weather. Next dry day I get I'm slipping that cardboard under it and letting it run a while. I just couldn't get it done last night with the rain, today's not looking very dry,either.

Did I hear a mouse fart?^^^
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:46 PM   #39
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Well it actually dried up this afternoon. The car is running with cardboard under the entire car. AC is off. Been idling for about fifteen minutes. I'll wait afive or ten more and see. Last check the cardboard was all dry as a bone.
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I wouldn't have found my TDI's coolant leak unless I removed the plastic belly pan. The drip was being caught by the pan, and was a slow enough leak that it evaporated before it collected enough to drip beneath the car.
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Yeah I suspected that would be the next step. I just thought I'd try the cardboard for a quick check.
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Old 09-19-2012, 12:14 AM   #42
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My coolant level shows at mid point between full and low line when cold and right at the full line when hot. I think this is normal right?
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My coolant level shows at mid point between full and low line when cold and right at the full line when hot. I think this is normal right?
Sounds just about where it should be.
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I just made a service appointment for Friday afternoon. Gonna start the oil consumption test and have them look at the cooling system.
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I just made a service appointment for Friday afternoon. Gonna start the oil consumption test and have them look at the cooling system.
Just wondering how you got your dealership to agree to a consumption test. My dealership wouldn't even consider doing one for my car unless it is consuming more than the ridiculous amount of one quart per 1200 miles.
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Just wondering how you got your dealership to agree to a consumption test. My dealership wouldn't even consider doing one for my car unless it is consuming more than the ridiculous amount of one quart per 1200 miles.
Try bitching and complaining like a little girl and then throw a hissy fit then go on NASIOC.com and write several bad post about how your car might be a lemon with out really knowing then call subaru every day until they put you on hold. then go back to a dealership willing to actually deal with your incessant complaining and you might get them to agree to a consumption test that will prove that your car isnt burning enough oil to get any warranted work done.



Does that about cover it?
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Old 09-19-2012, 11:20 PM   #47
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My dealer that I'm now dealing with is pretty awesome. There's a VERY distinct difference in Mastro vs the last jokers.
I have written and called soa to the point that EVERY aspect of the cars defectiveness. I got a really bad treatment at Bill Bryan that Subaru Corporate should be ashamed of, and I since soa and B Bryan were NOT helping at all, I sought out a dealer with a great reputation, and set out to find someone who would stand behind this $20k product.
If you aren't the squeaky wheel (or seat), you won't get the grease. That's why I get so irritated by peoples acceptance of crapola.
Find a good dealer and life will be much easier. AND give the crap dealer a bad CS survey score!
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Old 09-20-2012, 08:31 PM   #48
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It's nice to find a dealer you like going to. I ended up buying my Impreza from a dealer that is over an hour from home since the two dealers here in town seemed to not care whether I bought a car from them or not. I have also dealt with Mastro when they sold Alfa Romeo. They had a parts guy there who was always more than helpful. If they didn't have something they would tell me who to try. Nice guys.

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Old 09-20-2012, 09:01 PM   #49
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They seem to have a VERY solid customer service reputation.
And your advice before- that was good advice and I decided you were right- it wouldn't be in MY best interest to dilute the coolant mix even by just topping it off with h2o. There's still plenty of coolant in the radiator. I'm glad that I found time to get it over there, I've been super busy.
Anyhow- thanks
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Old 09-23-2012, 09:54 AM   #50
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Just to chime in, I checked my Impreza with about 5700 miles on it, and noticed my coolant was almost at the low line as well! I had an oil change at 2800 miles, so I assume they would have checked it then. In any case, thats a decent amount consumed in under 6000 miles:



Is it worth it to bring to the dealership, or should I just buy coolant and top it off myself?
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