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Old 09-24-2012, 07:42 AM   #76
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Much of what you wrote makes no sense. Maybe your 5 strangers ran out of gas cause they didn't have enough gas in the tank that morning. Not sure exactly where Subaru is lagging?
Actually what he said to me does make sense, I think that his only fault is that he's trying to persuade die hard Subaru fans that a Hyundai is an adequate replacement...
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:25 AM   #77
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Actually what he said to me does make sense, I think that his only fault is that he's trying to persuade die hard Subaru fans that a Hyundai is an adequate replacement...
It makes sense to you to purchase a vehicle based on your ability to fit 5 strangers in your car and keep them warm when their cars are out of gas? Ok. I would rather have a Forester and not get into that situation in the first place.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:55 AM   #78
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And that's normal for those who don't have the audacity to perform the job of preparation. Those people obviously will not have any luxury of waiting if they can't prepare
I always plan on totaling my car out right when I'm getting ready to buy a new one. Thank goodness those other drivers follow my car purchasing plan.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:57 AM   #79
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Don't get too upset guys. The Subaru AWD is superior, no doubt, but the current Forester is just as boring as any other small/midsize SUV. When the Forester stood out up till 2008 the "box" was fun and the XT with manual was a blast. Subaru is doing a great job driving the brand to increase sales, but that means getting less unique to capture more market. As far as winter transport, I value my prius more than an AWD system. In the DC area, some ding dongs in there powerful RWD sedans will get stuck on every major and minor roadway, blocking every entrance and exit getting home. I had 5 strangers in my Prius keeping warm after there cars ran out of gas sitting on the road idling for 5 hours. If you can't move the powertrain doesn't matter. Before you blast me, I was once a hardcore Subaru guy and still love the brand, but the company is lagging in areas. Most people won't look at how the AWD system works, they just look at the trunk for the AWD logo.

I think Subaru hit a lull when it came to capturing more market. Their sales were pretty even for years until they started these "bland" cars. I have never had anything but a Subaru in my driving life and I have no problems with them. Occasionally they have a design that I am not fond of (bugeye, B9 Tribeca) but every company does this IMHO.

I started working at this dealership the year Subaru busted 200,000 sales 6 years ago. Before they started their "bland, boring" mode. Subaru WILL surpass 320,000 this year. Subaru hasn't had that much growth....ever. When I started, Subaru's market share was something like 1.4%. Now, it is like 2.4%. That, to me, says they are capturing more market.

As for comparing to the KIA, I have to agree that the Forester lags behind a bit. Yes, it is the last year, but they are the cars on the showroom floor right now. I got to sit in some Honda CR-V training on there new one. It is quite nice also. I still wouldn't jump ship, though, but that is me. Again, I have never owned anything other than a Subaru and simply just haven't seen anything worth pulling me away.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:00 AM   #80
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I always plan on totaling my car out right when I'm getting ready to buy a new one. Thank goodness those other drivers follow my car purchasing plan.

No. You didn't plan properly. The new Forester comes out NEXT year. Can't believe you totaled your car out soo far in advance! Unless you have a backup car, I guess.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:19 AM   #81
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No. You didn't plan properly. The new Forester comes out NEXT year. Can't believe you totaled your car out soo far in advance! Unless you have a backup car, I guess.
I know, I should've bought an extra car just in case!
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Old 09-24-2012, 12:57 PM   #82
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...I would rather have a Forester and not get into that situation in the first place.
Not sure how a Forester would avoid gridlock any better than his Prius?
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:13 PM   #83
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Not sure how a Forester would avoid gridlock any better than his Prius?

"If you can't move the powertrain doesn't matter. "

A Forester would actually be able to move with proper tires vs the other cars being stuck in the snow. Drive around the stuck cars. Drive on the shoulder. Drive on surface streets.

Not sure what point you are trying to make/argue.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:30 PM   #84
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Psh, definitely. All of the manual-only people on this forum remind me of the retards who buy manuals and bash automatics because it's the man's thing to do when I'm pretty sure automatics are part of the reason why they're even breathing today. ;D I love knocking manual-only enthusiasts.
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I agree with this. In something performance-oriented, the manual makes sense. Having driven the newer Outback, Legacy and Impreza (and owned a Forester Sports XT with 5-speed), I can say that a CVT really does complete the package with those cars for their purposes. If you want more control, get the WRX, STI or BRZ or older turbocharged variants of the Outback, Legacy and Forester with manuals.
I'd just like to reiterate these points. Automatics (whether traditional, automated manual, or CVT) definitely have their place. Standard in traffic sucks. Don't try to say it doesn't. You get used to it, sure, but it's a drawback for wanting more control etc.; I'd love to have the money for an automatic equipped luxobarge (LS600h anyone?) to commute in style, comfort, and mindlessness. It may be different where others are located, but living in the DC area makes traffic a nightmare. Thankfully, having a small car with useless back seats means if I'm going anywhere with people, we're taking their car. The BRZ is fun enough even on the highway for me to be willing to make that sacrifice, but I can't imagine it's like that for most cars.

The standard really isn't for every car. Does it make cars more entertaining to drive? Depends on how you feel. For me? Yeah, it does...to an extent. Do I want to commute (hypothetically) in a standard equipped Yaris? No. If I'm commuting in a low power, eco-efficient car, it's going to be automatic so I don't have to think about commuting. Is my (hypothetical) weekend car going to be standard? Absolutely.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:30 PM   #85
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Does "gridlock" = stuck in traffic?

That would make sense of what he's saying.
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Old 09-24-2012, 01:56 PM   #86
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Does "gridlock" = stuck in traffic?

That would make sense of what he's saying.
Yes. It's a particularly bad type of bumper-to-bumper traffic where you essentially don't move for minutes on end.
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Old 09-24-2012, 02:28 PM   #87
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Does "gridlock" = stuck in traffic?

That would make sense of what he's saying.

"As far as winter transport, I value my prius more than an AWD system. In the DC area, some ding dongs in there powerful RWD sedans will get stuck on every major and minor roadway, blocking every entrance and exit getting home. I had 5 strangers in my Prius keeping warm after there cars ran out of gas sitting on the road idling for 5 hours. If you can't move the powertrain doesn't matter."

He was talking about winter driving and how ding dongs in powerful RWD cars get stuck in the snow and block the highway. He was able to keep strangers warm in his Pri-Us because of it. If you can't move, powertrain doesn't matter. That is unless you are in a AWD car and the other cars are stuck in the snow.


Like this in Chicago.

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Old 09-24-2012, 02:50 PM   #88
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Like this in Chicago.

While I have never been involved in anything even close to that, this is why I keep my fuel tank over half full in the winter anytime there is snow around. Just last year I was stuck in storms for 3.5 and 2 hours during separate storms.

During one of the storms, it was raining outside and the temp was falling quickly. At one point it was 25F outside and cars were passing me doing 70+ MPH, likely thinking "Its just rain". I was creeping along in the slow lane going less than 40. Then a few minutes later everyone was stopped because many of the speeding cars hit a patch of ice and went off the road a couple miles ahead of me.

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Old 09-24-2012, 03:06 PM   #89
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While I have never been involved in anything even close to that, this is why I keep my fuel tank over half full in the winter anytime there is snow around.
You are a wise man.
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Old 09-24-2012, 03:30 PM   #90
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Can't wait for the 2014!
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:03 PM   #91
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The current Forester is very "cheap" as far as I'm concerned. When I peeked in on one last week I found the interior quality very poor and the "flimsy" doors unacceptable. I also would not buy an automatic with a 4-speed transmission at this point in the game.

I can't wait for the 2014 redesign, though, as I love the size, usable space, and capability that the Forester offers. If they manage to bump fuel economy, improve the interior, and bump up the overall quality a bit it'll be my new vehicle. The leaked image makes me optimistic
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Old 09-24-2012, 04:08 PM   #92
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The interior should pretty much match the latest Impreza. Better, but still plasti-galore. It is what it is. I'm not expecting Legacy-type interior out of an Impreza platform, but they could try a little harder.

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Old 09-24-2012, 06:41 PM   #93
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The new Impreza has more soft touch surfaces than any current Subaru product.


Whats the word on the street for the 14 Forester launch spring or summer of 13?
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Old 09-24-2012, 06:46 PM   #94
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The new Impreza has more soft touch surfaces than any current Subaru product.


Whats the word on the street for the 14 Forester launch spring or summer of 13?

I have no insider knowledge but would lean more towards spring.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:48 PM   #95
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"If you can't move the powertrain doesn't matter. "

A Forester would actually be able to move with proper tires vs the other cars being stuck in the snow. Drive around the stuck cars. Drive on the shoulder. Drive on surface streets.

Not sure what point you are trying to make/argue.
My point was mainly that gridlock is when you are blocked by other vehicles, not when the conditions block you. If you're in the middle of that photo you posted, you're not going anywhere, IMHO. I've been in gridlock on the freeway for hours. It was a summer night, not a blizzard, so everyone just shut off their engines & hung out either in or out of their vehicles.

Anyway, this isn't worth nitpicking over. IMHO, I think there are plenty of reasons to have an AWD vehicle that outweigh the remote chance of being trapped in traffic in a blizzard... like being in that same blizzard without the gridlock. Pretty soon sgilson will be able to get both his AWD and hybrid fix in one vehicle anyway.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:16 PM   #96
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Holy crap this thread went into the toilet. Warming up in a Prius? Ar you serious? Gridlock? WTF does any of this have to do with the main topic?
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Old 09-25-2012, 02:30 PM   #97
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I have no insider knowledge but would lean more towards spring.

I am thinking it'll be just like the 2009. Showing up on lots late February to early March. That's my guess since they have stopped taking orders. About to switch production to the new car.
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Old 09-25-2012, 08:27 PM   #98
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Old 09-25-2012, 11:58 PM   #99
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^Already in the 2014 Forester thread. Thanks, though.
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The current Impreza has a very acceptable interior, and from what I've seen of the new Forester they should be very similar, so we're fine there. I just hope the doors are addressed... I've never closed a door and received such an unsatisfactory lack of thud before on any model of car -_-
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