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Old 09-18-2012, 05:41 AM   #1
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Old 09-18-2012, 06:44 AM   #2
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:07 AM   #3
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That engine bay looks like a joke to wrench on..

Anyways, I'm sure the new M3 will be sick. I just hope they do more R&D than they did on the previous turbo 6 in the X35i. Those were not so reliable and the previous M3 with it's V8 was near bulletproof.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:51 AM   #4
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whats that? water cooled intercooler? or some type of hybrid.
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Old 09-18-2012, 09:06 AM   #5
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Good gosh that looks like a nightmare to work on...
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:24 AM   #6
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People work on $65k M3s?
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:32 AM   #7
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Some wide body fenders like the E30 would be so nice. When will they learn ?
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:42 AM   #8
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People work on $65k M3s?
Nope.. but they pay a dealership $120/hr to work on them once the warranty wears out... which is why you'll be able to buy one of these for $25k in 5 years.
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Old 09-18-2012, 10:58 AM   #9
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In all fairness, it seems like basic maintenance tasks are still easy. It looks like they're still using a cartridge style oil filter and putting it up top, and I bet it's still pretty easy to get to all the spark plugs once that cosmetic cover is removed. As for the rest of it, I'm not sure it's appreciably worse than what they've been doing since the '90s, except for the V-brace and the rather insane shape of the cowl.
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Old 09-18-2012, 11:11 AM   #10
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I wonder if it weighs less than the current V8 M3.

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Old 09-18-2012, 12:00 PM   #11
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I wonder if it weighs less than the current V8 M3.

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Try to think of it as a new E39 M5... The F10 M5 is an M7
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:19 PM   #12
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Thread on F30post.com:

BMW 2014 F80 M3 Engine (Turbo Inline 6) Physically Exposed!

Looks like it'll be a hit if they can get this done:

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To recap on the F80 M3 / F82 M4:
Lighter than current M3
Faster than current M3
More powerful than current M3
More efficient than current M3
Powered by an inline 6 cylinder turbo engine
Engine to be fed by air-to-water/liquid intercooler
Equipped with factory strut tower brace
Offered with optional or standard manual transmission
Electric Power Steering (completely reworked for precision for M3/M4)
Tires (from prototype) - Michelin Pilot Super Sport: 255/35/19 (front), 275/35/19 (rear)
Front styling to feature elements from the M6 and 1M coupe, with Air Curtain technology (our render)
Hood to feature power/vent bump
M3 Introduced late 2013 - early 2014 (concept debuts earlier)
M4 Introduced no earlier than late 2014
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whats that? water cooled intercooler? or some type of hybrid.
Air-to-water intercooler.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:30 PM   #13
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People work on $65k M3s?
People work on 100k gtrs... www.nagtroc.com, check out the lunacy. M3 isnt a super car, its super nice, but just like the sti, people want more power.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:35 PM   #14
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People work on 100k gtrs... www.nagtroc.com, check out the lunacy. M3 isnt a super car, its super nice, but just like the sti, people want more power.
Tuner shops =/= people.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:47 PM   #15
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Tuner shops are staffed by audio-animatronics. You heard it here first.
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Old 09-18-2012, 12:54 PM   #16
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Haha @ ABS plastic pieces.


Tailor cars to the lessee more, BMW.
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air to water IC

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Old 09-18-2012, 02:06 PM   #18
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Plastic is better. Less heat soak, less weight, and and runners much smoother than can be achieved via casting aluminum.
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Old 09-18-2012, 02:17 PM   #19
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Plastic is better. Less heat soak, less weight, and and runners much smoother than can be achieved via casting aluminum.
untill they start assploding after their 5 year service life, or until they start assploading from upped boost.


Disclaimer: conjecture of course the tanks could be super awsome and durable. Nobody knows at this point except perhaps BMW R&D
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:47 PM   #20
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That engine bay looks like a joke to wrench on..

Anyways, I'm sure the new M3 will be sick. I just hope they do more R&D than they did on the previous turbo 6 in the X35i. Those were not so reliable and the previous M3 with it's V8 was near bulletproof.
Which one? N54 or N55?
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:47 PM   #21
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Plastic is better. Less heat soak, less weight, and and runners much smoother than can be achieved via casting aluminum.
Yes, but...
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untill they start assploding after their 5 year service life, or until they start assploading from upped boost.


Disclaimer: conjecture of course the tanks could be super awsome and durable. Nobody knows at this point except perhaps BMW R&D
This. Pretty sure people were popping their LGT-style intercoolers at the end-tank crimp connections when they started pushing boost higher.
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:51 PM   #22
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Which one? N54 or N55?
N54 had a lot of issues with their fuel pump; N55 has had some, but not nearly as many. I don't know of any with the N20 yet (new I4 turbo).

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Yes, but...

This. Pretty sure people were popping their LGT-style intercoolers at the end-tank crimp connections when they started pushing boost higher.
Right, but someone came up with a way to reinforce it so it's not really the end tank material, but more of what's holding it in place that matters maybe?
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N54 had a lot of issues with their fuel pump; N55 has had some, but not nearly as many. I don't know of any with the N20 yet (new I4 turbo).


Ah, Could be remedied with a bosch or other aftermarket fuel pump perhaps? Seems the N54 is more responsive to mod's. Any reason why?
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:43 PM   #24
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N54/N55 pumps are fixed. After about 5 different pumps, they've got a winner I guess. Sucked a LOT for the 2008-on buyer, not so much for us 2010-on buyers. FWIW - I have 16K on my N54 and have never had a single issue with the FP. BMW forced me to replace it at 13K, still no issues. And yes, the N54 is more responsive to mods than the N55's. One of many reasons is they went to a MAF intake on the N55 vs. no-MAF on the N54. Many other reasons than that.

This new M3 is going to kick a lot of ass, FYI.

Back to the pumps, in BMW's defense, the 2007-introduced, World Engine of the Year-awarded N54 was pretty much the first mainstream car with Direct Injection in a high-horsepower config. (turbos etc.) This crap hadn't really been done before. 5-6 years later most all manufacturers are now offering DI on some of their engines. DI, as you know is all about fuel delivery and it's at 6x the pressure of a non-DI, traditional engine. Fairly complcated stuff back in 2007 as far as pumps and injectors and stuff. Now, obviously the technology has been perfected which is why you'll find it on most all KIAs, Hyandais etc. Anyway, BMW took WAY too long to get a working pump out and actually got the crap sued out of them in the process. But they partially pioneered mainstream DI and we get to reap the benefits now.

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N54/N55 pumps are fixed. After about 5 different pumps, they've got a winner I guess. Sucked a LOT for the 2008-on buyer, not so much for us 2010-on buyers. FWIW - I have 16K on my N54 and have never had a single issue with the FP. BMW forced me to replace it at 13K, still no issues. And yes, the N54 is more responsive to mods than the N55's. One of many reasons is they went to a MAF intake on the N55 vs. no-MAF on the N54. Many other reasons than that.

This new M3 is going to kick a lot of ass, FYI.

Back to the pumps, in BMW's defense, the 2007-introduced, World Engine of the Year-awarded N54 was pretty much the first mainstream car with Direct Injection in a high-horsepower config. (turbos etc.) This crap hadn't really been done before. 5-6 years later most all manufacturers are now offering DI on some of their engines. DI, as you know is all about fuel delivery and it's at 6x the pressure of a non-DI, traditional engine. Fairly complcated stuff back in 2007 as far as pumps and injectors and stuff. Now, obviously the technology has been perfected which is why you'll find it on most all KIAs, Hyandais etc. Anyway, BMW took WAY too long to get a working pump out and actually got the crap sued out of them in the process. But they partially pioneered mainstream DI and we get to reap the benefits now.
Thanks for the info!
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