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Old 09-19-2012, 10:45 AM   #1
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The new P1 is less about outright top speed, and more about being the ultimate driver's car, according to McLaren





This is the McLaren P1, the company’s all-new “ultimate supercar”. McLaren says the project has one simple goal: “To be the best driver’s car in the world on road and track.” Sources say the new model is likely to produce around 960bhp with the help of a Formula 1-style kinetic energy recovery system (KERS). The P1 is not designed to outrun a Bugatti Veyron, say insiders; it is more about exceptional lap times.

The P1 is expected to cost £800,000, but with production limited to 500 models, the P1 production run may be sold out to existing McLaren clients and high-profile collectors without going on general public sale.

The car will be unveiled at the Paris motor show — McLaren Automotive’s first appearance at an international show — officially as a design study. The final production version will be shown next year, but it is expected to look almost identical to the car shown here. Its arrival will coincide with the 50th anniversary of McLaren.

The P1 is described as taking much of its “technological and spiritual inspiration from the company’s racing division”. McLaren Automotive executive chairman Ron Dennis says: “The P1 will be the result of 50 years of racing and road car heritage. Twenty years ago, we raised the supercar performance bar with the McLaren F1 and our goal with P1 is to redefine it once again.”

Antony Sheriff, managing director of the operation, says outright pace is not the objective of the new model. “Our aim is not necessarily to be the fastest in absolute top speed but to be the quickest and most rewarding series-production road car on a circuit. It is the true test of a supercar’s all-around ability and a much more important technical statement. It will be the most exciting, most capable, most technologically advanced and most dynamically accomplished supercar ever made.”

Ahead of the public unveiling, McLaren is refusing to give any more details about the car. However, Autocar has managed to uncover some of the P1’s secrets. Despite the car’s dramatic exterior, it has a very similar footprint to the MP4-12C. McLaren sources say the P1 retains the “everyday usability” of the MP4-12C, with the same deep windscreen, narrow A-pillars and relatively slim width. In fact, the P1 is shorter than a current Porsche 911. The interior will be different from the 12C’s, with bespoke switchgear, but it is unclear whether the basic architecture of the cabin will remain unchanged.

The dramatic styling — a deliberate move by McLaren styling boss Frank Stephenson — is said to express the deeply technical nature of the car. The aerodynamically significant areas of the exterior — sculpted by McLaren’s wind tunnel experts — are exposed in matt black and the surfaces that have been styled are body coloured. The new headlamp design hints at the McLaren logo and is tipped for the facelifted version of the 12C.

There are also stylistic nods to the McLaren F1 in the roof’s air scoop, the single ridge running through the door skin (although it tilts in the opposite direction on the P1) and the fighter-plane-style cockpit sitting proud of the rear deck.

The P1 uses a modified version of the MP4-12C’s carbonfibre Monocell. The same basic door frame and mechanism is also used on the P1, although the door skin now extends on to the front wing. The outer panels are made from carbonfibre and the P1 is said to weigh less than 1300kg. The rest of the understructure is thought to be significantly different from the 12C’s.
The front and rear aluminium subframes and suspension systems are believed to have undergone substantial redesigns. This is partly to accommodate a more advanced chassis, which is thought to incorporate cutting-edge active damping and active roll control, with the latter possibly hydraulically operated, working to effectively lock out the anti-roll bars and eliminate body lean.

Active aerodynamics are also tipped to be fitted to the car, which could mean a number of different systems. The concept’s pronounced (and flat-bottomed) side skirts could mean that the P1 can lower its ride height when it is on the track, which would significantly increase downforce.
The side skirts will certainly work in tandem with the P1’s fearsome rear diffuser. Other potential active aerodynamic systems could include air pumps (which pump air over crucial sections of the bodywork) and electronically controlled spoilers and flaps.

Judging by the shape of the P1, the engine and transmission could be sitting much lower in the rear of the car. It looks as though the centre of the rear deck is rather lower than it is on the 12C. It seems likely that the intake manifold has been redesigned to sit lower on top of the engine and the exhaust system redesigned and rerouted.

Also, judging by the huge air intakes feeding the P1’s engine compartment, there is a need to manage the high temperatures generated by the big hike in power. As well as the deep side intakes, there are also forward-facing vents mounted over the rear wheels, matched by large exhaust ports over the rear LED light strips.

The P1’s engine will not be a V10 or V12, and the latest information is that it will be a modified version of the 12C’s twin-turbo V8. Power will jump from just over 600bhp to about 800bhp at 9000rpm. This significant potential is supplemented by a KERS system — a pair of flywheels that can deliver up to 160bhp in short bursts.

As well as giving the car assistance out of corners on the track, the flywheels may also help to get the P1 away from standstill on the road. Fuel economy is said to be notably impressive for a hypercar, too.
Rumours suggest that the P1 will have a top speed of 239mph and a 0-60mph time of under three seconds. It is also said to have completely shattered the best lap time for a road-legal car at the Silverstone circuit.
One of the more interesting leaks from potential buyers who are said to have seen the car at the recent Pebble Beach gathering in California is that the P1 will be fitted with a new kind of acrylic windows, replacing conventional glass. Apparently, water rolls off this material, eliminating the need for windscreen wipers.

The arrival of the P1 next year is consistent with McLaren’s promise that it will launch a new car every year until 2020. It is also likely to be an investment for buyers. Just 108 F1s were made, originally costing £540,000 two decades ago; they now fetch up to £3.8 million at auction.
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:19 PM   #3
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Yeah, wow! The rear is a bit much, but it is a hypercar. Can't wait for the underwhelming reviews.
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:48 PM   #4
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no rear wing? how does it maintain downforce?
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Old 09-19-2012, 01:50 PM   #5
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no rear wing? how does it maintain downforce?
I'm guessing a retracting wing like on the veyron.
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I'm guessing a retracting wing like on the veyron.
That, and the enormous diffusers under the rear end.
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The Mclaren marketing guys are just full of derp.

No way a car can have most out right pace on a track and still be a great road car. It is not one in the same. The things that make a car a great track car, make it a less than ideal road car for daily use. Why try to even attempt to corner the market on both. It simply cannot be done.

I mean I am sure it will be devastatingly quick on the track, and kudos for them for building it, but lay off the moronic sales pitches. Can it be driven on the road. Sure. Would I want to drive it 500 miles across everyday roads. Maybe not.

Best lap times /= best road car.
Best lap times ==best track toy.

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I'm impressed finally a different design.
can't wait to see it on TopGear (UK not the US CRAP)
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:45 PM   #9
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The Mclaren marketing guys are just full of derp.

No way a car can have most out right pace on a track and still be a great road car. It is not one in the same. The things that make a car a great road car, make it a less than ideal road car for daily use. Why try to even attempt to corner the market on both. It simply cannot be done.

I mean I am sure it will be devastatingly quick on the track, and kudos for them for building it, but lay off the moronic sales pitches. Can it be driven on the road. Sure. Would I want to drive it 500 miles across everyday roads. Maybe not.

Best lap times /= best road car.
Best lap times ==best track toy.
You may be surprised.

The Corvette ZR1 is awesome around a track, but horrible around town. Given an extra 1.4 million dollars per car to make it better it can be pretty awesome at both. I know that is the difference between a ZR1 and a Ferrari 456. They run close lap times but the Ferrari is nice to just go for a drive in.
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Never said it could not be good at both. Lots of cars are good at both. The GTR is good at both. But the Mc guys said it would be quickest production car on the track in the world. OH and it is the best road car.

I guess it comes down to what metrics you use to determine what is best.
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Well I think the Mclaren MP4-12c did that. Be an all out track car and then also a very refined road car.

Maybe it's something to do with the suspension no long being a simple spring and damper system?
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Perhaps. Again, it comes down to how you define a road car.
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Gotta say, that thing is hideous. Looks like a toy.
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This thing looks way cooler than the MP4.
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Well I think the Mclaren MP4-12c did that. Be an all out track car and then also a very refined road car.

Maybe it's something to do with the suspension no long being a simple spring and damper system?
The adjustable suspension is very good on the MP4. There are people that actually daily drive it, and who take it to the track.

Oddly enough, one of the complaints of the MP4 was that it looked plain. While I admit that the P1 makes the MP4 look VERY conservative, plain is not something I would describe the MP4.


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The MP4-12C has ride quality better than Bentley.

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The Mclaren marketing guys are just full of derp.

No way a car can have most out right pace on a track and still be a great road car. It is not one in the same. The things that make a car a great track car, make it a less than ideal road car for daily use. Why try to even attempt to corner the market on both. It simply cannot be done.

I mean I am sure it will be devastatingly quick on the track, and kudos for them for building it, but lay off the moronic sales pitches. Can it be driven on the road. Sure. Would I want to drive it 500 miles across everyday roads. Maybe not.

Best lap times /= best road car.
Best lap times ==best track toy.
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Roofline on the P1 is a little too bulbous. A little too Pagani Zonda like for my taste.

Jalopnik's slide comparison with the P1 and F1 show that the F1 has a longer fastback roofline, and looks better for it.

McLaren is at or near the top of my "cost no object" list. F1 is at the top of that list, and I think the MP4-12C looks fantastic, with great tech from stem to stern.

Looks especially good in blue with a blacked out roof, coupe or spider. Then again, I think Lambos and the newest Ferraris are too much "fad" for my taste. Too much over-design, not enough timeless classic.


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The MP4-12C has ride quality better than Bentley.
Pure hyperbole...and a baseless quantitative metric.

Better than a bently how? Is it quieter? No. Is it more comfortable to sit in? No

Unless you have driven both, please refrain from such baseless statements.
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I guess we are just recalling the various reviews etc.

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Still, one thing becomes quickly apparent: The 12C's ride is sublime. It has coil-sprung double wishbones all around and oil-filled dampers, but instead of conventional antiroll bars, the dampers are adaptive and their oil can be shared and pressurized across the car to reduce body roll, or slackened off in a straight line to allow for a superior ride quality. It's not an understatement to say that, at times, the 12C's ride is as isolated as that of an S-Class Mercedes-Benz .
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But, for us, the most significant feature of the 12C is not its breathtaking acceleration or fine handling. You take those for granted from a company like McLaren. Instead, it’s something less glamorous but much more crucial to the ownership experience: the ride quality. If a car rides poorly, you’re less inclined to use it. With the 12C, McLaren has achieved the Holy Grail of a comfortable ride as well as supercar levels of grip and balance.

It’s done that through a deceptively simple system of interlinked hydraulic dampers that effectively stiffen up in corners to control body roll while relaxing when the car’s travelling in a straight line. You can adjust the ride/handling balance, and the engine/drivetrain performance, via a couple of knobs on the centre console. The knobs have three positions – Normal, Sport and Track – and, while you’d normally only use the last of these in the situation its name suggests, the ride is not unbearable in the Track setting on public roads. We know: we tried it.
The one that I struck me the most was the top gear review. I cant find that one.
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The whole "you can't have it both ways" philosophy has really gone out the window with today's technology. Sure, in the 80s or even 90s you couldn't have a supercar without making a lot of sacrifices in the comfort area. That's just not the case anymore. While I've never driven one, I'd have to believe the numerous reviews that all come to the same conclusion.
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Not faint praise by any means is it?
S class Mercedes comparisons are impressive and make me take pause at my comment for sure!!
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That's a sweet pic
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If that's the case, have you driven one to know it doesn't?

From the reviews I've read, the people that have claims otherwise.

Don't underestimate engineering and technology.

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Pure hyperbole...and a baseless quantitative metric.

Better than a bently how? Is it quieter? No. Is it more comfortable to sit in? No

Unless you have driven both, please refrain from such baseless statements.
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Carscoop: http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2013/01...ent-of-p1.html

















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Since its unveiling at last year’s Paris Auto Show, McLaren’s new hypercar, the P1, has generated quite a lot of interest. If that’s natural with any such car, in the case of the P1 it has been amplified by a.) the fact that the company is keeping its cards very close to its chest concerning a lot of the details and b.) that it will be launched in the same year as its direct rivals, i.e. the Ferrari “F150” and the Porsche 918 Spyder.
Now the Woking outfit has issued a press release informing us that the development of the P1 continues “ahead of its next global appearance”. Well, that will probably be Geneva in March then.

Still, McLaren informs us that its team of engineers and racing drivers are testing a fleet of “XP” P1s around the globe and cooperating closely with suppliers like Pirelli (tires), Akebono (brakes) and Mobil 1 (lubrication) to achieve their goals of producing the best supercar for road and track.

The XP moniker, which stands for “experimental”, has been around since the original F1. In fact, its designer, Gordon Murray, owns and drives the XP3 car. We guess though that, with McLaren being a fully-fledged supercar manufacturer now, its XP “fleet” will be substantially larger…

Apart from some images of the P1 wearing a track-inspired camouflage, which does nothing to hide its styling that as we've already seen, is all but identical to the concept, the automaker also released a new video of its hypercar being driven in anger – along with a short glimpse of the interior.

You can watch it, along with the image gallery of both the test and concept cars, right after the break.

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