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Old 03-21-2013, 03:18 PM   #2651
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All CVT Crosstreks have paddles.

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Old 03-21-2013, 03:49 PM   #2652
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All CVT Crosstreks have paddles.

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And just for further clarification (and thread relevance), the XT is the only Forester that has paddles.
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Old 03-21-2013, 03:53 PM   #2653
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And just for further clarification (and thread relevance), the XT is the only Forester that has paddles.
Pretty sure one of the lower models of the 14 has paddle shifters. Not just the XT.
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Old 03-21-2013, 03:54 PM   #2654
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Pretty sure one of the lower models of the 14 has paddle shifters. Not just the XT.
None of the non-turbo (Non-XT) '14 Foresters have paddle shifters in the US.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:26 PM   #2655
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Why would you want paddle shifters on a CVT? Wouldn't that be slower and less efficient?
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:29 PM   #2656
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Why would you want paddle shifters on a CVT? Wouldn't that be slower and less efficient?

Nicer transition to transmission braking than having to move the shifter lever.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:34 PM   #2657
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Nicer transition to transmission braking than having to move the shifter lever.
In my brief sub 40mph experience driving the CVT-equipped Forester the other day, a move from 'Drive' to 'Low' on the shifter resulted in a 3000rpm engine braking.. it would be nice to have something in between D & L for the hills around here. Paddle shifters would accomplish that.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:39 PM   #2658
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Nicer transition to transmission braking than having to move the shifter lever.
I always forget about the slowing down part.

I do hate that on the GF's Hyundai. Luckily, we don't really have hills in this area to need it often.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:46 PM   #2659
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In my brief sub 40mph experience driving the CVT-equipped Forester the other day, a move from 'Drive' to 'Low' on the shifter resulted in a 3000rpm engine braking.. it would be nice to have something in between D & L for the hills around here. Paddle shifters would accomplish that.

I was really surprised when I found out the regular Forester didn't get paddles. I've been soo used to some sort of sport-shift since I got my Baja and started working at the dealership, that this feels weird.
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:02 PM   #2660
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Do you guys think that SOA will bring the forester STI to the US?
I read on an article that they were trying the model in Russia with the intentions to bring it to the US.
What do you guys think ?
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:26 PM   #2661
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Do you guys think that SOA will bring the forester STI to the US?
I read on an article that they were trying the model in Russia with the intentions to bring it to the US.
What do you guys think ?
Maybe if everyone but Ford drops dead in the turbo'd CUV segment on the American side and Subaru is the only USDM manufacturer that still has a turbocharged 4-cylinder CUV on the import side. The XT's do sell but not enough to justify bringing over something that would compete with, oh, there is no competing 4-cylinder turbocharged CUV in that segment.

But, you know, I could totally see that changing if in some unforeseen future the STI and WRX swallow up the import sales and brings Subaru to Toyota and Ford sales-figure fighting status. Then yeah, an Forester STi could definitely be a possibility before they bring over the Legacy DIT wagon and sedan. Not likely though seeing as how CAFE standards make that very improbable. It's not impossible though.
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Old 03-21-2013, 06:49 PM   #2662
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In my brief sub 40mph experience driving the CVT-equipped Forester the other day, a move from 'Drive' to 'Low' on the shifter resulted in a 3000rpm engine braking.. it would be nice to have something in between D & L for the hills around here. Paddle shifters would accomplish that.
This is probably deal-breaker #2 (after the seats) on a new Forester for teh wife.
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Old 03-21-2013, 08:48 PM   #2663
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Old 03-21-2013, 10:51 PM   #2664
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Has anybody confirmed the leather seats suck too?
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Old 03-22-2013, 12:07 AM   #2665
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Interesting that the video featured an XT Premium! Good look at the "cloth seats w/ sport bolsters" as they're referred to by Subaru, at 1:55. I don't expect to see many of those on the lots even though it would save about $5k vs the touring.

We're hoping to drive one in the next two weeks if one of the local dealers can get one. The salesman we bought our current XT from said they could have heated seats installed at the dealer. I also drove a '13 Santa Fe 2.0T last week and was extremely impressed. It may come down to these two vehicles.

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Old 03-22-2013, 01:15 AM   #2666
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Has anybody confirmed the leather seats suck too?
My Forester came in (2.5i Limited) and yes, they also lack in support (very flat). While not explicitly uncomfortable, the seat composition results in a persistent mild discomfort that I have not experienced in competitors. The Forester has almost everything I want, but its most glaring issues (for me) are important ones (Seats and outdated radio head unit).

I'm considering opting for the Rav4 instead, but I'm unsure at this point.

I have a more detailed post on the Forester forum... didn't want to copy/paste it :P

Side-note: Jasmine green metallic is a great color.
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Old 03-22-2013, 01:30 AM   #2667
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Do you guys think that SOA will bring the forester STI to the US?
I read on an article that they were trying the model in Russia with the intentions to bring it to the US.
What do you guys think ?
I sure hope they do and soon too! I really hate the idea that I have to get a vehicle with such a high center of gravity, to get AWD, decent power and enough cargo capacity. As I understand it the Russian version isn't all that aggressive. I would love a US Forester STI with a lowered suspension, the DIT engine, all wheel torque vectoring instead of X-Drive, ultra-high performance all season rubber, leather, sunroof, an overall sportier approach, and let me walk out the door for under 40$K.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:41 AM   #2668
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I sure hope they do and soon too! I really hate the idea that I have to get a vehicle with such a high center of gravity, to get AWD, decent power and enough cargo capacity. As I understand it the Russian version isn't all that aggressive. I would love a US Forester STI with a lowered suspension, the DIT engine, all wheel torque vectoring instead of X-Drive, ultra-high performance all season rubber, leather, sunroof, an overall sportier approach, and let me walk out the door for under 40$K.
If you can convince SOA to justify such an absurd request, or rather dream is what we call that in reality, I'm sure with enough connections that would be possible.

Just marry the CEO and convince her/him you want one like what Nissan did. I'm sure it'll turn out to be perfect, just like your dream.

The ground clearance comes with high center of gravity but that is lessen by the fact that Subaru uses boxer engines. Aftermarket is there because you can't please everyone without dissatisfying everyone. You'll get a cookie cutter either way because this is reality, not fantasy.

But you already knew that.
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Old 03-22-2013, 02:53 AM   #2669
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Has anybody confirmed the leather seats suck too?
BMI says healthy weight, wear high heel boots, be of Asian decent, and have relatively moderate to poor posture, they're a notch below the 2013 Nissan Altima seats. Of course if you sit properly in order to minimize whip lash, that helps too but most people don't do that. Otherwise you'll have to sit in them like everyone else and see if your back issues or posture tell your buttocks something else.

I'm pretty sure I love the leather seats in the 2014 Subaru Forester XT Touring with EyeSight but I sleep without a pillow if that says anything.

Grandparents on my biological mother's side say they like sitting in the rear seats but don't like the front seats for some reason. None of them have back problems but have a history of high cholesterol. They both drive a minivan and a truck (Toyota of course). They said the ride is more rough than their truck though.
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Old 03-22-2013, 07:19 AM   #2670
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Regarding the FXT HIDs; has anyone actually seen them in person? How about a good pic of them even? The pics of the headlights with LED DRL don't look like HIDs, unless they aren't going to be the projector-type.

Have kid #2 on the way within the next month, so trying to figure out what to get next. I foresee needing more room than we have in either my 02 WRX sedan or my wife's 4d GTI.
I was fairly impressed with the Santa Fe Sport 2.0T as well.
Anybody like the Volvo XC60 R-design? Obviously it costs way more new, but if I could find a used one....
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Old 03-22-2013, 08:33 AM   #2671
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We already know the HIDs aren't projector - they're reflector, just like the outgoing model.

To the Santa Fe lookers: take a good look at the electronic steering. It is absolutely horrid in all modes. A deal killer for me and is mentioned in reviews too. It's just plain bad. One of the worst implementations of EPS I have ever felt/driven.
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Old 03-22-2013, 11:04 AM   #2672
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Regarding the FXT HIDs; has anyone actually seen them in person? How about a good pic of them even? The pics of the headlights with LED DRL don't look like HIDs, unless they aren't going to be the projector-type.

Have kid #2 on the way within the next month, so trying to figure out what to get next. I foresee needing more room than we have in either my 02 WRX sedan or my wife's 4d GTI.
I was fairly impressed with the Santa Fe Sport 2.0T as well.
Anybody like the Volvo XC60 R-design? Obviously it costs way more new, but if I could find a used one....
reflector base and hids only come with the eyesight package, so black cars can't even get that.

Non eyesight/hid headlights have a chrome ring around the headlight where that led is.

I think the hids are D4R bulbs


led/hid non xt model but its a touring









sorry for cell phone quality pics
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Old 03-23-2013, 06:34 PM   #2673
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high res shots finally !

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Old 03-24-2013, 02:59 AM   #2674
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Regarding the FXT HIDs; has anyone actually seen them in person? How about a good pic of them even? The pics of the headlights with LED DRL don't look like HIDs, unless they aren't going to be the projector-type.

Have kid #2 on the way within the next month, so trying to figure out what to get next. I foresee needing more room than we have in either my 02 WRX sedan or my wife's 4d GTI.
I was fairly impressed with the Santa Fe Sport 2.0T as well.
Anybody like the Volvo XC60 R-design? Obviously it costs way more new, but if I could find a used one....

I just sold my 2011 GTI 4 door autobahn for the 2014 xt touring model. I don't regret it one bit. I too am also expecting to having two children and I think this car should be able to handle it. As far as the "crappy leather" seats go. I think they are pretty good. The only thing I did wish was some side bolstering (as mentioned above). The seats are pretty flat and when you take turns it would be nice to be put. On the brighter side, if you are overweight (or obese as most of America is), the seats would be great for that bottom!
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Old 03-24-2013, 09:53 AM   #2675
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Has anyone driven a non-XT model down a long grade? I realize there are no paddle shifters but I was hoping the CVT would have some logic to detect this and engage some engine braking.
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