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Old 04-05-2013, 02:20 PM   #2801
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The mirror didn't get in the way of anything when I drove the new Impreza. Visibility was better because of the small A-pillar window. Mind explaining? Also, I thought having door-mounted side mirrors actually helped decrease drag because of how small the arms are? I remember reading a statement about that from Subaru when the car was first released... I'll have to check out their media site.

@eps105: Congrats! Sweet deal on the trade-in!
You are correct, moving to door mounted helps improve fuel economy.

Honestly on our Impreza the new large sideview mirrors are one of my favorite features. The visibility is great and I love how there are no blind spots.
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Old 04-05-2013, 02:30 PM   #2802
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Heading down to take the XT for another spin/mess with the nav/eyesite crap some more.

Bummer you can't get a tinted eyebrow with the eyesite sensors. I don't think I've ever had a car without an eyebrow.
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Old 04-05-2013, 02:34 PM   #2803
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Old 04-05-2013, 02:35 PM   #2804
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The mirror didn't get in the way of anything when I drove the new Impreza. Visibility was better because of the small A-pillar window. Mind explaining? Also, I thought having door-mounted side mirrors actually helped decrease drag because of how small the arms are? I remember reading a statement about that from Subaru when the car was first released... I'll have to check out their media site.

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With the windshield so far forward, the A-pillar windows become necessary to see things that used to be visible through the windshield.

Placement does count, but any time you put a mirror in your line of sight, and make that mirror bigger, it blocks something. It is a simple principle of line of sight. Hopefully most of the time, it isn't blocking anything critical... but the bigger the mirror, the wider the angle it blocks.

The mount point may be slimmer by post-mounting it, rather than end-mounting the mirror into the pillar corner.

But again, making the mirror surface bigger has to punch a bigger hole through the airflow, and creates a larger low pressure turbulence cavity behind the mirror. There is no free lunch, not even in aerodynamics.

The talking point might be the slimmer mount location reducing drag along the side of the car, but overall, ALL side mirrors, on ALL brands of cars are being increased, and objectively, it is not a benefit for aerodynamics.

I am sure it is manageable and useable.

But regulators (more interested in justifying their bureaucratic jobs through menial micromanagement, than being satisfied with anything at any time) are not going to be satisfied until there are big rig mirrors on the sides of compact cars, eliminating one aft blindspot, while creating a forward lateral one.

And I doubt visibility is all that much different than the previous Forester. Even mirror useability would likely be more improved with a camera or a convex mirror, than increasing the size of the side mirrors.

Besides, that, side mirrors aren't supposed to be a substitute for having your head on a swivel, or even necessarily show you the WHOLE picture. A properly adjusted side view mirror will show you a PART of the car in your visual blind spot, that looking through the windows might not show you, to your aft quarters. Even seeing part of the car in your blind spot should be a quick cue not to try to occupy the same space at the same time... it doesn't require seeing the whole car in your mirror.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:06 PM   #2805
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Hip, go test drive the outgoing Forester, then drive a new Impreza or Forester. Trust me, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

As I stated previously, I hate the side mirrors on the outside, but inside they are VERY welcoming. And you're really not losing much. I can't imagine what would be in that line of sight that you'd need to avoid that isn't a ways away. A motorcycle gives the best line of sight, but not everyone is driving around on motorcycles.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:23 PM   #2806
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When the time comes, I likely will test drive whatever fits the criteria.

I just wonder how much of this is the excitement over novelty, and the new model still being new, and the old model being old.

I really wonder if the long term delta in usability is really all that significant, considering the delta in price comparing ~1-2 years used, compared to buying new and eating the depreciation.

BTW... I really like motorcycles. I wish I had the spare money to buy one again... but practicality has to be handled first.

Maybe on my next vehicle, if I save 8-10 grand buying used, rather than new, I'll buy a bike in addition.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:23 PM   #2807
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Great review, thanks. Funny, I haven't heard of a single XT owner getting anywhere near the 23/28. Lets hope break-ins make it better. Good to hear the 2.5s are getting the advertised mpg. The XT guys said they drove like grandmas and still were barely in the 20s. Any XT owners wanna chime in?
I hit 27 mpg driving like a granny. about 15 miles from home to where i was eating dinner. There were alot of cops on the highway so I kept at 60mph, and was easy off the go at all the lights about 5 mins of local driving. the computer readout did say 27. I kept the car under 0psi unless you count getting up to speed on the highway.

Just get the eyebrow windshield tint and if you have eyesight have them cut around the eyesight.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:47 PM   #2808
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I didn't get good had mileage until I hit 10k in the wrx and had a few oil changes. I gained 2 more mpg when I went stage 2. So I'll be hoping for the same
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Old 04-06-2013, 09:38 AM   #2809
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My drive to the ski hill, a few days ago, at 60-75 mph, I got 26 mpg, in my STI.

Last time I did it in my wife's F-XT, again 60-75 mph, I also got 26 mpg.

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I hit 27 mpg driving like a granny. about 15 miles from home to where i was eating dinner. There were alot of cops on the highway so I kept at 60mph, and was easy off the go at all the lights about 5 mins of local driving. the computer readout did say 27. I kept the car under 0psi unless you count getting up to speed on the highway.

Just get the eyebrow windshield tint and if you have eyesight have them cut around the eyesight.
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Old 04-06-2013, 10:25 AM   #2810
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I'm sure you can get to 60-75 mph I actually can cruise up there if you get it up there and just hold it under 20% accel. Just stating what I did last time driving it like a granny.
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Old 04-06-2013, 03:04 PM   #2811
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Drove about 30 miles yesterday in a Limited (Mostly soft cruising around 30-40 MPH through mountainous and rural areas, some city driving, and some hwy driving) and I averaged just over 32 MPG. Not too shabby. (Highway cruising at 74 MPH seemed to indicate a 30-32 MPG rate going by the real-time fuel economy gauge)

I still can't find a seating position that is not a strain on my lower back (I was sore for much of the evening after driving it - That's not something a guy in his 20's should worry about) but I'm probably going to go ahead and order a 2.5i Touring (Without Eyesight et al) tonight or Tuesday and figure it out - There's gotta be some solution :/

One thing I noticed about the Limited (with upgraded tweeters) is that disabling the sound restorer in the audio settings (I think that's the option's name) made the audio quality much better using FM/HD radio. Hopefully that tidbit proves useful for someone.

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Old 04-07-2013, 08:32 AM   #2812
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You mean like the '08 STI that leaned out near redline to meet emissions? The only people who weren't busting ringlands were those of us who had a more realistic stage 1 tune installed during break-in.

*the FA20 DIT in the Forester shouldn't have this issue... I'm just sayin'...
Never had a problem.

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Hi all,

After ordering my Forester 2.5i Touring with EyeSight at the end of January and originally being given a March 11 delivery date, my Forester finally arrived on April 2.

The VIN# was different than the one originally listed in my dealer's system for the Mar 11 delivery, so for those of you whose order dates are slipping, I wouldn't be surprised if Subaru shifts around allocations for logistical reasons.

The late delivery was a blessing in disguise: Subaru reset the "Guaranteed Trade-In Program" maximum mileage limits on April 2, and my 2010 Outback's 30k limit was raised to 45k (I had 36k on it, causing me a $1200 penalty at $0.20/mile). The elimination of my $1200 penalty more than offset the slight GTP monthly depreciation, and so my trade-in value went up by -- get this -- $705 overnight!! I could almost hear the steam coming out of the sales manager's ears in the back room, but they honored it without hesitation. I felt like I won the lottery!!
We had a guy who ordered a premium XT an hour after the system opened and the same thing happened. March 11 and got a VIN only to have it disappear(after he called his insurance with it). Finally got a new VIN and then his showed up first of April. Was told a scheduling problem was the cause. Not sure what that meant. We figured a higher volume dealer got it instead of us.

Great news on the GTP, but don't know why the manager got upset. That is a guaranteed price that he will get from SOA if he doesn't sell it. We LOVE GTP customers, no matter what it tells us. It's usually $2K more than what we would have offered. Not always, but a lot.
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:51 AM   #2813
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Never had a problem.
Did you get a leakdown test done before you sold it?

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1632634

I honestly can't say that mine didn't have issues either, since I ditched it without having a leakdown performed.

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Heading down to take the XT for another spin/mess with the nav/eyesite crap some more.
So? How'd it go?
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Old 04-07-2013, 09:59 PM   #2814
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Why are there no instrumented tests yet on the new Forester?
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Old 04-07-2013, 10:37 PM   #2815
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Great news on the GTP, but don't know why the manager got upset. That is a guaranteed price that he will get from SOA if he doesn't sell it. We LOVE GTP customers, no matter what it tells us. It's usually $2K more than what we would have offered. Not always, but a lot.
JustyWRC, Sorry, didn't mean to imply that the manager was actually upset; I meant that I was just guessing he was. I'm pretty sure they plan to sell it on their lot as a CPO, so I figured that $705 was potential money out of their pocket.

FYI, my deal was actually GTP + $500 (minus mileage penalty, which ended up being $0). The $500 adder was because I had over $2000 in options/accessories (trailer hitch, wheel arches, puddle lights, and much more). They originally only offered me GTP with no additional until I showed them the verbiage on Subaru.com that the GTP is based on the base features of a given trim.

Can you clarify what you meant about the GTP and $2k more? Are you saying that if I went to, say, a Ford or Honda dealer, it's likely they would have offered me $2k less for my Outback trade than using GTP at a Subaru dealer? If so, that's a pretty awesome incentive. Makes trying to sell privately almost moot.
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Old 04-08-2013, 04:32 AM   #2816
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Why are there no instrumented tests yet on the new Forester?
Nissan forced an embargo so that prospective GT-R sales in the interim wouldn't be lost
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:17 AM   #2817
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Old 04-08-2013, 08:35 AM   #2818
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Someone is surly (or punchy) at 4:30 in the morning..
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Old 04-08-2013, 10:01 AM   #2819
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JustyWRC, Sorry, didn't mean to imply that the manager was actually upset; I meant that I was just guessing he was. I'm pretty sure they plan to sell it on their lot as a CPO, so I figured that $705 was potential money out of their pocket.

FYI, my deal was actually GTP + $500 (minus mileage penalty, which ended up being $0). The $500 adder was because I had over $2000 in options/accessories (trailer hitch, wheel arches, puddle lights, and much more). They originally only offered me GTP with no additional until I showed them the verbiage on Subaru.com that the GTP is based on the base features of a given trim.

Can you clarify what you meant about the GTP and $2k more? Are you saying that if I went to, say, a Ford or Honda dealer, it's likely they would have offered me $2k less for my Outback trade than using GTP at a Subaru dealer? If so, that's a pretty awesome incentive. Makes trying to sell privately almost moot.

Well, different parts of the country are surely different. Just our experience here when things like that have been done. On many occasions GTP had beaten previous appraisals by up to $2K. A few times we've gotten in some really nice cars that GTP killed it because of mileage and we gave more. And recently we couldn't use GTP(officially) because the lady tore off her mirror and had it replaced. We still gave her the amount, just had to sell it ourselves instead of potentially giving it to Subaru.
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Old 04-08-2013, 10:25 PM   #2820
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Does the '14 Forester still have a full-size spare or just a temporary space saver?
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Old 04-08-2013, 10:42 PM   #2821
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Does the '14 Forester still have a full-size spare or just a temporary space saver?
It uses a T145/80D17 tire.
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Old 04-08-2013, 10:44 PM   #2822
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I've found this link very useful:

http://www.cars101.com/subaru/forest...14.html#photos

The interior shots seem to indicate a temp. spare.

Can anyone confirm the 2.5l now has a timing chain instead of a belt. Not sure i should believe the info from the link:
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Camshaft Belt (rubber timing belt) WRX and STI only
Note: All 2014 Forester, Impreza, BRZ, Crosstrek, have a timing chain which shouldn't need replacement

I was also confused/surprised when reviewing the service info that they require 0w-20 synthetic.
But then it says this:
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1st oil change by 7500 miles or 7.5 months.
Subsequent oil changes at least every 7500 miles or 7.5 months
Note: this is the minimum required. If you use regular oil, its suggested to change the oil every 3750 miles or 3.75 mos
Does subaru find it expectable to use reg oil and change it more often, or could you have warranty issues?

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Old 04-08-2013, 11:15 PM   #2823
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All new CVT use the chain vs a belt.
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Old 04-09-2013, 02:32 AM   #2824
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Synthetic is pretty much standard now, if the manual recommends it I would run it...this is not like the old EJ engines when you could mix and match...DI engines from what I have read are more picky.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:52 AM   #2825
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Cool about the timing chain. I did the 100k timing belt/water pump and a few other items on my '09 OBS back in November 2012 to the tune of $1000. That car has had regular oil every 7500 miles as well with no issues. I love my oil change specials for $19 at autozone, but o well.

Does anyone know if these new DI motors still use the same oil filter as the older cars? Right now my 91 Miata, 09 Subaru, and 04 Nissan all use a P6607 filter which is kind of nice.

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