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Old 04-14-2013, 04:41 PM   #2876
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Thought that was a law for those HIDs.
Technically, it's a regulation. But you still don't want to be on the wrong side.

For example:
http://www.nhtsa.gov/nhtsa/announce/...e=pr43-04.html

Are the letters 'DOT' to be found anywhere on the aftermarket replacement part?
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Old 04-14-2013, 05:55 PM   #2877
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I wonder how much it would cost to swap out those headlights for the HID version (levelers and all). Cheaper than the whole EyeSight package?
Not sure. I really wanted the HIDS, keyless entry/start, and the upgraded 440W stereo w/8 speakers. So the eye-site was just an added piece of it. Trying it out I think the adaptive cruise control will be nice, and in terms of "safety" the only thing I see really useful is the car will stop if you are merging or turning from a stop and say the car in front of you decides not to go. I've caught myself a few times having close calls with that in busy areas where it is difficult to pull into traffic. If that works out once, it's pretty much paid for itself. I'm also thinking there could be an insurance rate discount for having the option, but need to look into it.

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Old 04-14-2013, 07:25 PM   #2878
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I wonder how much it would cost to swap out those headlights for the HID version (levelers and all). Cheaper than the whole EyeSight package?

Knowing Subaru prices, not likely...
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Old 04-14-2013, 09:47 PM   #2879
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Booyah. H11s for the low-beams.
$150 HIDs here I come (pretty much the ONLY reason I wanted $2,500 Eyesite pkg)

I don't need no auto-leveling nonsense!

These kits come with very high praise - good beam pattern / cut-off.

Save the $2,500 if you could give a rats about the Eyesite stuff, but want HIDs. I'm just glad the '14 has a semi std. size.

Feel bad for your fellow CO drivers who are going to be blinded by your headlights.
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Old 04-14-2013, 10:32 PM   #2880
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I wonder how much it would cost to swap out those headlights for the HID version (levelers and all). Cheaper than the whole EyeSight package?
Here are the part numbers for the left and right assemblies:

84002SG100
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$826 MSRP a piece, so less than Eyesight package yes, cheap, no.
If you order from Heuberger here in Colorado Springs though, you get 25% off.
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Old 04-14-2013, 11:20 PM   #2881
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If you order from Heuberger here in Colorado Springs though, you get 25% off.
I was out in Colorado for school recently and the word I got there was that Heuberger miraculously goes out of stock for big ticket items when you try to apply that discount. Just what I heard, though.

For example, good luck getting 25% off of an STi 6-speed .
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:53 AM   #2882
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It's also not the same headlight; the $2400 option package includes the HID and LED strip for daytime running lights (since it comes with auto lamps).
You are right on this, but I still think this is worth the money lol. 150 vs 2400 (assuming you only wanted the HID's and didn't care for the rest.

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Technically, it's a regulation. But you still don't want to be on the wrong side.

For example:
http://www.nhtsa.gov/nhtsa/announce/...e=pr43-04.html

Are the letters 'DOT' to be found anywhere on the aftermarket replacement part?
Look's like that link has been active since 2004... Maybe things changed since then? None the less, I'm sure the lights can't be that blinding when you compare it to factory HID's. Especially on vehicles that are lifted (even without HIDS). That's straight blinding.
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Old 04-15-2013, 01:26 AM   #2883
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Feel bad for your fellow CO drivers who are going to be blinded by your headlights.
LOL - drama queen.

My 2005 STi didn't have auto levelers - was I blinding anybody? Didn't think so. Does the outgoing Forester have auto levelers? Many cars don't have auto levelers. Besides reflector-based HIDs aren't nearly as powerful as projector based. Most all of the German HIDs are projection and are auto-leveling because it is a safety issue on those things. My 1er's lights are freaking bright as hell.

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Old 04-15-2013, 01:39 AM   #2884
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Not sure. I really wanted the HIDS, keyless entry/start, and the upgraded 440W stereo w/8 speakers. So the eye-site was just an added piece of it. Trying it out I think the adaptive cruise control will be nice, and in terms of "safety" the only thing I see really useful is the car will stop if you are merging or turning from a stop and say the car in front of you decides not to go. I've caught myself a few times having close calls with that in busy areas where it is difficult to pull into traffic. If that works out once, it's pretty much paid for itself. I'm also thinking there could be an insurance rate discount for having the option, but need to look into it.

A friend told me his boss needed a new headlamp on a 2 or 3 year old forester with HIDs and it was like $900. - Paul G.
Touring trim gets you the Mac-Daddy stereo, NOT the Eyesite pkg. I was under the same impression as you. I thought I had to do Eyesite to get the nice stereo. Nope. That, in itself made the choice clear, for me.
I messed with the Eyesite stuff and while its 'neat', all of that stuff has a long way to go IMO. No way was it worth the money for me - Id never turn it on.
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Old 04-15-2013, 02:59 AM   #2885
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I was out in Colorado for school recently and the word I got there was that Heuberger miraculously goes out of stock for big ticket items when you try to apply that discount. Just what I heard, though.

For example, good luck getting 25% off of an STi 6-speed .
They are the largest Subaru volume dealer in the United States for a reason. They didn't get there playing nice and fair obviously. They still don't. I know because I buy my Subaru's from them.

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Old 04-15-2013, 07:10 AM   #2886
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LOL - drama queen.

My 2005 STi didn't have auto levelers - was I blinding anybody? Didn't think so. Does the outgoing Forester have auto levelers? Many cars don't have auto levelers. Besides reflector-based HIDs aren't nearly as powerful as projector based. Most all of the German HIDs are projection and are auto-leveling because it is a safety issue on those things. My 1er's lights are freaking bright as hell.

Yes. It did.

And the point was having levelers at all, which your STi did have.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:14 AM   #2887
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Touring trim gets you the Mac-Daddy stereo, NOT the Eyesite pkg. I was under the same impression as you. I thought I had to do Eyesite to get the nice stereo. Nope. That, in itself made the choice clear, for me.
I messed with the Eyesite stuff and while its 'neat', all of that stuff has a long way to go IMO. No way was it worth the money for me - Id never turn it on.

It's on immediately when you turn the car on and goes active 7 seconds later. It is a really nice system. Probably wasn't demonstrated properly. I can understand not wanting it because of price, but I love the adaptive cruise control. When you say it has a long way to go, are you singling out EyeSight, or any system?
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Old 04-15-2013, 08:32 AM   #2888
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LOL - drama queen.

My 2005 STi didn't have auto levelers - was I blinding anybody? Didn't think so. Does the outgoing Forester have auto levelers? Many cars don't have auto levelers. Besides reflector-based HIDs aren't nearly as powerful as projector based. Most all of the German HIDs are projection and are auto-leveling because it is a safety issue on those things. My 1er's lights are freaking bright as hell.
The STI uses a manual leveling system (do you remember the switch on the left side of the dash?).. the reflectors were also designed specifically for HIDs.

The outgoing Forester most certainly had auto levelers.
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/forest...ester2013.html

If a car sold in the US doesn't have a manual leveling system for the HIDs (which is extremely rare), it has an auto leveling system... it's a DOT regulation for all new cars with HIDs.

Reflector or projector, the "power" is the same.. since the bulbs are the same. Projectors tend to send less light above the horizontal (ie: a sharper cutoff) making them appear brighter to the driver, while reflectors send more light above, making them appear brighter to oncoming traffic.

HIDs in halogen reflectors are the trifecta of bad lighting.. you're going to scatter too much of your light above the horizontal at oncoming traffic, have hotspots on the road and it will look terrible.

You're already on 'The Retrofit Source'.. they sell great projector kits designed for HIDs.. so why not do it right?
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:01 AM   #2889
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Touring trim gets you the Mac-Daddy stereo, NOT the Eyesite pkg. I was under the same impression as you. I thought I had to do Eyesite to get the nice stereo. Nope. That, in itself made the choice clear, for me.
I messed with the Eyesite stuff and while its 'neat', all of that stuff has a long way to go IMO. No way was it worth the money for me - Id never turn it on.
I wrote my response poorly, but did understand the touring upgrade from limited was the stereo and I think the rear seat 1 touch folding buttons.

The keyless and Hids were what I wanted. I thought about doing Limited w/o Nav and doing my own stereo, but a decent touch screen is $800-$1000 and that doesn't include speakers or amps.

So, the $2400 option seemed to make sense to me. It was essentially free based on my negotiated sale price.

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Old 04-15-2013, 10:47 AM   #2890
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I was out in Colorado for school recently and the word I got there was that Heuberger miraculously goes out of stock for big ticket items when you try to apply that discount. Just what I heard, though.

For example, good luck getting 25% off of an STi 6-speed .
Yeah, I've heard stories like this.
But if you go through their parts website, it takes it off automatically.
Every time I've ordered from them, I've gotten 25% off.
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:18 AM   #2891
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LOL - drama queen.

Not a drama queen, I am being completely honest. Why not follow CJ's recommendation and just do the complete retrofit projector HID kit? Sure you are spending a little more, but it isn't that much more. Then you know you did it right to begin with.
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:20 AM   #2892
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I was out in Colorado for school recently and the word I got there was that Heuberger miraculously goes out of stock for big ticket items when you try to apply that discount. Just what I heard, though.

For example, good luck getting 25% off of an STi 6-speed .
I've never had an issue with them. I order through the website and talk/email them prior to ordering to get an idea of what is in stock, verify part numbers, and find out what needs to be ordered. Then , when they arrive, I go pick them up.

Dealers don't stock every single part in their parts department, especially larger low selling ticket items. If you walk in and order something, there is a chance they won't have it in stock that day. That's part of the game. There are regional parts warehouses that hold most parts to control dealer inventory.

Most parts that I've ordered from them are in within ~3 days. I'm sure if you talk to them ahead of time and place an order, you can get the tranny given it might take a week or so to get it delivered to their parts department. You just have to plan accordingly but it's a 25% discount which is well worth it.

Plus, I think the 25% discount only applies to website orders, because I think one person authorizes/controls that aspect of parts orders but don't quote me on that.

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Old 04-15-2013, 01:56 PM   #2893
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The STI uses a manual leveling system (do you remember the switch on the left side of the dash?).. the reflectors were also designed specifically for HIDs.
Well aware of the manual leveler - I owned the car. That said - it's basically worthless. Are you going to manually reach down while you're driving over every single speed bump, deviation in the road? No. Manual adjusters are silly. You set them once to the *correct* height and forget about it.
I did an HID conversion on my 2004 WRX which worked great. Nice clean cutoff with the factory reflectors. I got my 2005 STi with factory reflector HIDs - guess what - same exact freaking beam pattern/cutoff. I remember actually being a little disappointed as the manual leveler was about the only difference. I even had the 4300K color matched almost exactly in the '04 WRX. Upon further inspection of the reflectors, I found them to be near identical.

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The outgoing Forester most certainly had auto levelers.
http://www.cars101.com/subaru/forest...ester2013.html
Never said they didn't have it. Read closer.

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If a car sold in the US doesn't have a manual leveling system for the HIDs (which is extremely rare), it has an auto leveling system... it's a DOT regulation for all new cars with HIDs.
DOT or not, I'm doing it and have done it with great success. I'm also not supposed to have catless downpipes on my Bimmer. Or my '05 LGT, or my '05 STi, or my '04 WRX.

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Reflector or projector, the "power" is the same.. since the bulbs are the same. Projectors tend to send less light above the horizontal (ie: a sharper cutoff) making them appear brighter to the driver, while reflectors send more light above, making them appear brighter to oncoming traffic.
Yes, wattage is the same (35w) - my point was, projectors are MUCH, MUCH brighter and focused than any reflector, so it's much more of an issue. I have had halogen reflector based headlights with a very sharp cutoff and have had wonderful success using aftermarket bulbs. My '07 Pathfinder had an amazingly crisp, sharp cutoff for a reflector setup. My '04 WRX was pretty good as well. I have friends with newer cars with reflectors that have done retrofits they have had good luck, except for a few where the reflector didn't have a clean cutoff.
Reflector headlights have gotten a LOT better since when HIDs first came out.

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HIDs in halogen reflectors are the trifecta of bad lighting.. you're going to scatter too much of your light above the horizontal at oncoming traffic, have hotspots on the road and it will look terrible.
I disagree - they're actually great. Couple of things that you have to make sure of. I always 3M clear bra the plastic, which ensures crystal clear transparency for many, many years. You have to check the stock beam pattern of the halogen/reflector setup.
How all these ghetto aftermarket HIDs got a bad name is when Joe Blow with his 2003 Suburban with completely fogged up plastic headlights decides to throw in some HID bulbs and by doing so, basically created I gigantic blinding floodlight with no focus or direction or cutoff. Or Little Timmy in his 1998 Honda Civic sticks in the most purple HID bulbs he can find into his old fogged up headlights that never had any real beam 'pattern' or cutoff to speak of.
It all depends on the vehicle and what beam pattern/cutoff the stock reflector have. Some cars are no-brainers, some I would never go there.

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You're already on 'The Retrofit Source'.. they sell great projector kits designed for HIDs.. so why not do it right?
So hacking up my stock reflectors, being out of commission for whatever time it takes and still not having any auto leveling is doing it right? Assuming projectors would indeed fit correctly? That goes against what you've been saying.
I'll be perfectly happy with just a bulb swap. I'm sure the '14's have a good beam pattern/cutoff. It will be fine and I and the other CO drivers will make it through this. We'll all continue to live happy and productive lives. And I'll have $2,250 more bucks in my checking account, or 5 car payments to some.
More money to buy a catless downpipe and AP from COBB.
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Old 04-15-2013, 04:58 PM   #2894
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instead of plastidip and the sports grill
I removed the grill and had a friend help me cf vinyl it!

Doing this with the chrome fog trims as well.

I also installed some hella horns =)


H16 bulbs are really weird... so i ordered a set of h16 led for the fog bulbs but they look like h11 but smaller.

I read over on the legacy forums subaru uses a bulb not widely used????



if you google h16 they come up like this



anyone has any input?
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:03 PM   #2895
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instead of plastidip and the sports grill
I removed the grill and had a friend help me cf vinyl it!

Doing this with the chrome fog trims as well.

SOOOO much better that the SOA has for the new sport grill.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:09 PM   #2896
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Well aware of the manual leveler - I owned the car. That said - it's basically worthless. Are you going to manually reach down while you're driving over every single speed bump, deviation in the road? No. Manual adjusters are silly. You set them once to the *correct* height and forget about it.
Ummm.... Disagreement if you're saying manual levelers are worthless. I actually do adjust my levelers constantly while driving. Alaska is hilly and I always feel bad for blinding oncoming traffic or the person in front of me if we're going downhill. I've just become accustomed to this after owning the STI and WRX Limited. I think they're very considerate and hurt nothing in having them included. I also adjust them at most intersections where cross traffic will be passing in front me. If no one else is on the road then I like having my lights out as far as possible. If I'm in a caravan of cars then I adjust them way low. If I'm cruising with a decent amount of distance between myself and the car in front, I'll adjust down slightly/accordingly.

I think it's weird to call them worthless. Most of Subaru's current fog lights are worthless as far as helping me see, but I assume it helps people to see me? I dunno. If that's not the case then they really are worthless.
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Old 04-15-2013, 07:27 PM   #2897
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If no one else is on the road then I like having my lights out as far as possible.
Um, yeah. I just use my hi-beams for that.
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SOOOO much better that the SOA has for the new sport grill.
Agreed - nice job!
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Um, yeah. I just use my hi-beams for that.
I meant a situation where I'm in a neighborhood with a straight stretch of road or maybe a temporary straight stretch within the city. You really use you high beams in the city? Are there not enough street lights? Or do you not live in a city?
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I meant a situation where I'm in a neighborhood with a straight stretch of road or maybe a temporary straight stretch within the city. You really use you high beams in the city? Are there not enough street lights? Or do you not live in a city?
You are WAY over thinking this. They are freakin' headlights. There is a correct default height for lo beams and high beams. If you're having to constantly jack around with the height of them while you're driving, please don't drive near me - I'd rather focus on driving and keep my hands on the wheel. I think playing with your lights all the time while you're driving is more of a risk to yourself and other drivers than any headlight. Do you also text and drive?
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