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Old 05-15-2013, 03:26 PM   #3176
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What you also need understand that if they decide to "build" another trim level, especially low production ones, it'll still take away production from other vehicles. It means possibly jacking up the price of say the regular Forester.

I'm not saying that the Forester STI is a bad idea but the entry level CUV market in America is very competitive. Even the slightest movement in price can stray a buyer from one brand to another. At the end of the day, Subaru is a niche manufacturer and really can't afford to lose sales because a couple enthusiast wants a hopped up Forester that nobody really wants to buy.
What you also need to understand is that I never said they should build one, or that I expect it to happen.

I was just commenting on the other posters comment regarding "development". An fsti is primarily a parts bin car.

I allready posted a bit up the page that in my mind the successor of the 04/05 stripped fxt is the current gr hatch in wrx/sti trim.

I love my fxt project, would I like to see a true fsti?, sure. Do I expect one, nope.
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Old 05-15-2013, 03:43 PM   #3177
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What you also need to understand is that I never said they should build one, or that I expect it to happen.

I was just commenting on the other posters comment regarding "development". An fsti is primarily a parts bin car.

I allready posted a bit up the page that in my mind the successor of the 04/05 stripped fxt is the current gr hatch in wrx/sti trim.

I love my fxt project, would I like to see a true fsti?, sure. Do I expect one, nope.

Unfortunately a lot people in this thread feel the F-STI is some halo car that can actually make money and/or generate extra interest for Subaru. It just ain't happening. Even if they make one, they'll probably have to sell it for a loss. This ain't some special edition 911.
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Old 05-15-2013, 04:20 PM   #3178
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SH is better looking than new SJ, and not needlessly bigger. And the 2.5X Premium SH comes with the big sunroof, which SJ 2.5X Premium 6-speed loses.
Incorrect. The SJ 2.5i Premium can be had with a 6MT.

And I think the SJ is better looking than the SH. How is the SJ needlessly bigger? It grew only 0.9 inches in wheelbase, 1.4 inches longer, 0.6 inches wider, and 0.5 inches taller. All of that resulted in better usable space and passenger volume. It gained only 46lbs (in 2.5i 6MT trim) but gets better mpg. Am I missing something that makes the SJ so awful?

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Old 05-15-2013, 07:33 PM   #3179
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What you also need to understand is that I never said they should build one, or that I expect it to happen.

I was just commenting on the other posters comment regarding "development". An fsti is primarily a parts bin car.

I allready posted a bit up the page that in my mind the successor of the 04/05 stripped fxt is the current gr hatch in wrx/sti trim.

I love my fxt project, would I like to see a true fsti?, sure. Do I expect one, nope.
Of course a FSTI will need to go into development. You think they just told the assembly line to install STI parts onto the Forester and send it on it way. No way... development and testing had to go into it.

Let Subaru concentrate on an excellent next gen WRX/STi.

Look at the GTR and EVO X, very focused. When they developed the GTR they didn't make sure the gearbox could fit into a pathfinder, nor when Mitsubishi developed the EVO, they weren't thinking their suspension should also fit a Outlander. Also, the EVO is 90% a different car than a standard Lancer.

I think the next WRX/STi will have the focus similar to the EVO X. The doors and glass might be from an Impreza but underneath all exclusive to WRX/STi
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Look at the GTR and EVO X, very focused. When they developed the GTR they didn't make sure the gearbox could fit into a pathfinder, nor when Mitsubishi developed the EVO, they weren't thinking their suspension should also fit a Outlander. Also, the EVO is 90% a different car than a standard Lancer.
Maybe Mitsubishi focused too much on the EVO and not the rest of their lineup, but that's for a different conversation.
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:07 PM   #3181
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Of course a FSTI will need to go into development. You think they just told the assembly line to install STI parts onto the Forester and send it on it way. No way... development and testing had to go into it.

Let Subaru concentrate on an excellent next gen WRX/STi.

Look at the GTR and EVO X, very focused. When they developed the GTR they didn't make sure the gearbox could fit into a pathfinder, nor when Mitsubishi developed the EVO, they weren't thinking their suspension should also fit a Outlander. Also, the EVO is 90% a different car than a standard Lancer.

I think the next WRX/STi will have the focus similar to the EVO X. The doors and glass might be from an Impreza but underneath all exclusive to WRX/STi
Where does the phrase "primarily a parts bin car" preclude the occurrence of any development whatsoever?

and why are you still bitching when i clearly stated multiple times i don't ever expect it to happen here and consider a hatch wrx/sti perfectly adequate?

up till this point the forester and wrx/sti have been off the impreza platform, really the only difference between a forester and impreza was the body shape, strut height, and subframe spacers, until the platforms are actually divided, you are talking out your ass, so far its all been basically interchangeable, the topic here is subaru, not mitsubishi

go back to knocking people that mod foresters and then 2 posts later crying about 0-60 times from a review

we all want a hot **** next gen sti,

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Old 05-15-2013, 10:40 PM   #3182
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Where does the phrase "primarily a parts bin car" preclude the occurrence of any development whatsoever?

and why are you still bitching when i clearly stated multiple times i don't ever expect it to happen here and consider a hatch wrx/sti perfectly adequate?

up till this point the forester and wrx/sti have been off the impreza platform, really the only difference between a forester and impreza was the body shape, strut height, and subframe spacers, until the platforms are actually divided, you are talking out your ass, so far its all been basically interchangeable, the topic here is subaru, not mitsubishi

go back to knocking people that mod foresters and then 2 posts later crying about 0-60 times from a review

we all want a hot **** next gen sti,
Ah forget it

People lose professionalism over nothing.

It's just a car, if they don't make a FSTi anymore they don't make it.

The 2014 is an excellent Forester and the best so far. It's 0-60 times is plenty quick, not STi quick, but definitely ain't no slouch.

I'm planning on ordering a XT Touring with Eyesight package. Anyone have this setup and is the eyesight package worth it? Also saw LED lights on the side vents on the JDM model and aero kit. Anyone try to get a hold of those.
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Old 05-15-2013, 10:42 PM   #3183
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Ah forget it

People lose professionalism over nothing.
you were debating nothing, it was pointless.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:17 PM   #3184
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:52 PM   #3185
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Incorrect. The SJ 2.5i Premium can be had with a 6MT.

And I think the SJ is better looking than the SH. How is the SJ needlessly bigger? It grew only 0.9 inches in wheelbase, 1.4 inches longer, 0.6 inches wider, and 0.5 inches taller. All of that resulted in better usable space and passenger volume. It gained only 46lbs (in 2.5i 6MT trim) but gets better mpg. Am I missing something that makes the SJ so awful?
Re-READ.

SJ 6-speed 2.5X (not i) Premium loses the SUNROOF. If it is the 6-speed model, of course it can be had with a 6-speed, which is why I previously made the comparison of the SJ 6-speed premium to the SH 5-speed premium.

Forester used to be smaller than Outback. Outback used to be smaller than Tribeca, and other big SUVs. Not everybody needs bigger.

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SJ is noticeably bulkier than SH.
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Old 05-15-2013, 11:57 PM   #3186
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Damn that SJ looks badass. When ya line 'em all up like that, the choice is clear.

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Old 05-15-2013, 11:58 PM   #3187
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SJ 6-speed 2.5X (not i) Premium loses the SUNROOF.
It is a 2.5i(not x), and it does lose the moonroof but comes standard with the all weather package.
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They must have changed the x to an i for '14, because all tall-height subarus used to be denoted by the X, where Imprezas and Legacies with standard low ride height were 'i' on the non-turbo H4 models.

SH 2.5X 5-speed Premium comes with all weather package standard also, plus the ginormous sunroof, and 2011-13 has the same newer FB25 engine, with the top mounted oil filter, and timing chain.

The 5-speed probably still has a linkage, rather than the Forester/Impreza/Legacy 6-speed I believe has gone to a less precise cable linkage. (not the Spec.B/STI 6-speed)

Only the base SH Forester 2.5X doesn't have the cold weather package as standard.
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It is a 2.5i(not x), and it does lose the moonroof but comes standard with the all weather package.
So the 2.5i 6MT Premium does not come with a moonroof? Looking at Subaru's site it looks like it is standard. Is it only available with the CVT?

EDIT: Looking at the brochure, it's only available with the CVT. That sucks.

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They must have changed the x to an i for '14, because all tall-height subarus used to be denoted by the X, where Imprezas and Legacies with standard low ride height were 'i' on the non-turbo H4 models.
Yes, they did change the 2.5X to 2.5i designation for 2014. The "i" designation is used across the board now for non-turbo H4 models (Outback 2.5i, Forester 2.5i, Crosstrek 2.0i), except the BRZ.

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Damn that SJ looks badass. When ya line 'em all up like that, the choice is clear.

Thanks HTBS!
It does.

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Re-READ.

SJ 6-speed 2.5X (not i) Premium loses the SUNROOF. If it is the 6-speed model, of course it can be had with a 6-speed, which is why I previously made the comparison of the SJ 6-speed premium to the SH 5-speed premium.

Forester used to be smaller than Outback. Outback used to be smaller than Tribeca, and other big SUVs. Not everybody needs bigger.

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SJ is noticeably bulkier than SH.


I don't know, that SJ looks way nicer than the SH. So does the SG.
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Re: the pic.

Unless it's wearing thigh-high leather boots, it looks like a jacked up economy car and looks don't even factor into the equation.
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There were Forester's in that pic?
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Re-READ.

SJ 6-speed 2.5X (not i) Premium loses the SUNROOF. If it is the 6-speed model, of course it can be had with a 6-speed, which is why I previously made the comparison of the SJ 6-speed premium to the SH 5-speed premium.

Forester used to be smaller than Outback. Outback used to be smaller than Tribeca, and other big SUVs. Not everybody needs bigger.

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SJ is noticeably bulkier than SH.
Question: Why is that girl wearing a lab coat?
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Re-READ.

SJ 6-speed 2.5X (not i) Premium loses the SUNROOF. If it is the 6-speed model, of course it can be had with a 6-speed, which is why I previously made the comparison of the SJ 6-speed premium to the SH 5-speed premium.

Forester used to be smaller than Outback. Outback used to be smaller than Tribeca, and other big SUVs. Not everybody needs bigger.

SJ is noticeably bulkier than SH.
I remember when people complained about the SH when it first came out. And you were one of them. You didn't buy one back then and aren't gonna buy one now anyways, so why bother critiquing.

The SJ is clearly much improved over the previous generations. It's going to grow a little over the years to accommodate the growing in size of people.

The next Outback will be bigger than the Forester and the Tribeca (if there is successor) will be bigger than the Outback.

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Sport-utility vehicles are again eclipsing the family car, much like they did 15 to 20 years ago.

The difference this time is that small SUVs, not large ones, are becoming the preferred form of personal and family transport for drivers who are attracted to their extra cabin and cargo space, upright seating positions and relatively good fuel economy.

But as a group these vehicles lag behind cars in their crash performance, according to the insurance Institute for Highway Safety.

The safety-research group, which is funded by the Insurance Industry, recently ran 13 compact SUVs through its new, especially rigorous “small overlap” frontal crash test to evaluate how well they protect occupants in collisions. Eleven wound up with poor or marginal ratings while one, the 2014 Subaru Forester, received the best-possible rating of good.

The Forester and the Mitsubishi Outlander Sport, which got an “acceptable” rating on the small-overlap test, each received the Insurance Institute’s Top Safety Pick+ award. The plus indicates a good or acceptable rating in the small overlap frontal test along with good ratings in the other 4 IIHS crash evaluations that include front, side, rear and rollover testing.

Others did less well. The IIHS said the Nissan Rogue’s structural performance in the test, for example, was among the worst its engineers have ever seen.

The recent tests mark the first time small SUVs have been through the small-overlap test, which represents a crash in which only the front corner of a vehicle strikes another vehicle, or a tree or pole.

The IIHS said research shows this kind of accident accounts for about 24% of the serious injuries and deaths resulting from frontal crashes.

Except for the 2014 Forester, vehicles in the test group were 2012 or 2013 models. Here is a list of the vehicles tested and how they performed overall:

Subaru Forester: Good

Mitsubishi Outlander Sport: Acceptable

BMW X1: Marginal

Nissan Rogue: Marginal

Mazda CX-5: Marginal

Honda CR-V: Marginal

Jeep Wrangler 2-door: Marginal

Volkswagen Tiguan: Marginal

Hyundai Tucson: Poor

Kia Sportage: Poor

Buick Encore: Poor

Jeep Patriot: Poor

Ford Escape: Poor
The Rogue comment is interesting, yet it received a Marginal and not a Poor.
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I remember when people complained about the SH when it first came out. And you were one of them. You didn't buy one back then and aren't gonna buy one now anyways, so why bother critiquing.

The SJ is clearly much improved over the previous generations. It's going to grow a little over the years to accommodate the growing in size of people.

The next Outback will be bigger than the Forester and the Tribeca (if there is successor) will be bigger than the Outback.
I would rather buy a new car, if a new car were worth it. I would like to pay a company for their well done product, and choose the options I want at the time of sale.

But if it isn't what I want, I am not going to pay tens of thousands of dollars worth of my life's work for it, and I will trade a depreciated lower entry cost, for having to deal with existing inventory, no option to order the combination I want, and the risk of whatever the previous owner did or didn't do to the vehicle prior.

Same as my Legacy GT. I wanted new, and was ready to pay for it. Couldn't get what I wanted from Subaru, so bought what I wanted used, and paid the equivalent to fly across the country, and drive it home. If Subaru hadn't screwed up the color choices, and actually stocked 5-speed Legacy GTs at the time, I would have bought new then, too, and not had to travel to get it.

The only aspect I have complained about SH, (and I wasn't really paying attention to them in 2008/9) ...was that the XT did not offer a manual gearbox.

I still have that complaint, and if it were offered, I would be planning to buy an XT with a stick shift, it is just that simple.

If SH XT Limited or Touring offered a 5-speed or 6-speed manual, I would not have to take a 50+% engine power reduction to move from my Legacy GT to a Forester, just to KEEP a stick shift with 50/50 AWD, rather than highly front-biased 4EAT or CVT models.

2013 SH FXT in Germany got early availability of the FA20DIT, instead of the EJ253. If the US had gotten a swan-song 2013 SH FXT Sport, with the FA20DIT, and a 6MT gearbox, in WR Blue like the Forester tS, or S-Edition, I would know exactly what my next car would be.

Late SG Foresters look bland. 03-05 SGs look decent, but are getting old, as old or older than my 105K mile Legacy GT Limited, and not as well equipped. If I wanted something as old as the car I already have, I would just get an Outback XT Limited 5-speed.

The SJ Forester is chunky, and Toyota looking. Just take a look at the new 4Runner's front end... clear resemblance to the '14 FXT, and both look ridiculous. The Forester looks chunky, and less handsome than the SH.

The SH looks like an affordable alternative to a Land Rover or Range Rover, with handsome, relatively clean lines, but at an approachable price.

Arguably, the SH Forester is a better looking CUV among CUVs, than Subaru's Legacy or Impreza cars are among other cars.

(SG and SF Foresters are tall-roof wagons.)

The 2010+ Outbacks are bland, and ugly, and the designer couldn't decide between straight lines and edges, or curves and rounded surfaces... and it looks like a confused, bland mess.

I am getting tired of making excuses for this and that model or trim line of Subaru that makes people pick and choose which feature they'll tolerate doing without, because it can't be had by a willing-to-pay customer in that configuration.

And the remaining enthusiast-appealing combinations that can be had, are getting fewer, as new Subarus get blander.
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