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Old 09-24-2012, 08:22 PM   #26
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Looks promising.
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:36 PM   #27
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FYI incase some of you were curious:


'14 Forester

Length 4595 mm
Width 1795 mm
Height 1695 mm
Wheelbase 2640 mm
Ground clearance 220 mm
Weight 1440-1490 kg


'08-13 SH Forester

Length 4559 mm
Width 1781 mm
Height 1674 mm
Wheelbase 2616 mm
Ground clearance 220mm
Weight ~1470 kg
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Old 09-24-2012, 08:50 PM   #28
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may as well add XV (south african spec, it was the first result on google)

Length mm 4450
Width mm 1780
Height mm 1615
Wheelbase mm 2635
ground clearance mm 220
Unladen Mass kg 1390-1420

285hp with a CVT... testbed for the next WRX? Looks like it will get mid 30's fuel economy too (BRZ auto is rated at 12.8 km/L on the JC08 and gets 30 combined on the EPA cycle)

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Old 09-24-2012, 09:02 PM   #29
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may as well add XV (south african spec, it was the first result on google)

Length mm 4450
Width mm 1780
Height mm 1615
Wheelbase mm 2635
ground clearance mm 220
Unladen Mass kg 1390-1420

285hp with a CVT... testbed for the next WRX? Looks like it will get mid 30's fuel economy too (BRZ auto is rated at 12.8 km/L on the JC08 and gets 30 combined on the EPA cycle)
Thanks for the XV dimensions.

285hp CVT could very well serve for the basis of the next WRX. Looks like the new Forester XT will get similar mpg as the XV 5spd, somewhere around low 30s highway.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:15 PM   #30
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Maybe it's just me but I don't see much of a difference from the 09-12s and I really wish Subaru would give the Forester it's own interior. Having 3 models with the same dash is cheap.
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Old 09-24-2012, 09:52 PM   #31
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FANTASTIC! I hope it looks as nice as the pictures. I'd like a red XT, if such a beast makes it to our shores. Can't wait to learn the US specs.

Note the blacked-out headlights on the silver XT... I bet we don't get those.

No signal mirrors or HID from what I can see there, which kinda surprises me for JDM.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:10 PM   #32
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No signal mirrors or HID from what I can see there, which kinda surprises me for JDM.
The test mule has mirrors with turn signals. They may be available as an optional package?
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:15 PM   #33
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Default Wow this is the ugliest of all !

I am probably going to opt out and get the Outback instead. This is one ugly Subie - no seriously. What were they drinking ?
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:16 PM   #34
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The test mule has mirrors with turn signals. They may be available as an optional package?
Hope so.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:19 PM   #35
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Translation from Japanese over on subaruforester.org about X-MODE:
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"X-MODE" standard than 2.0iL (CVT) , such as by bad road, switch the ON OFF manually, etc. to prevent slip mode to enhance the torque (less than 40km / h) low rotational
Translated from this link, if anyone's interested:
http://blog.livedoor.jp/ganbaremmc/a.../17844994.html
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:43 PM   #36
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Is the camo Forester the NA version since the air intakes on the front bumper seem to be covered?
The roof rails say Subaru but I can't be completely sure since those headlights and taillights look non-subaru. The wheels and spoiler look Subaru though. Let's hope that camouflage is actually working and it turns out to look like a Subaru, not an Audi. The reclining roof line is already irritating me.
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Old 09-24-2012, 10:52 PM   #37
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Most manual transmission non-turbo Foresters sold outside of North America are dual range. The driver can put the transmission in "Low" mode by raising a lever on the center console which engages a reduction gear, effectively doubling the number of gears. Here's a picture of the lever, which is a little confusing because it is show in both possible positions:


It appears that Subaru has figured out how to do this with the CVT transmission and given it a trademarked name - Xmode.

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Old 09-24-2012, 11:00 PM   #38
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^ very cool. Makes me want the new Forester even more. Was considering the XV but seems the Forester might be a better option. Also considering waiting to see if they bring the Legacy DIT. But I like the looks and sound of the Forester XT.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:13 PM   #39
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The roof rails say Subaru but I can't be completely sure since those headlights and taillights look non-subaru. The wheels and spoiler look Subaru though. Let's hope that camouflage is actually working and it turns out to look like a Subaru, not an Audi. The reclining roof line is already irritating me.
Huh? Every square inch of the mule matches the leaked brochure, exactly. Not sure what you're missing.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:13 PM   #40
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I like it a lot. Just bring back the hood scoop!
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:20 PM   #41
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Forester will have a 6 Speed manual transmission, and Impreza/XV is stuck with the 5 speed. Hopefully, WRX gets an extra gear.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:26 PM   #42
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CVT according to the info I posted just above.

Btw, 13.2km/L for the 2.0 DIT equals about 31.05 mpg US. I know different testing standards, but that is very good news if it will get close to that even.
Twin scroll turbo? Really o.o? That sounds like something USDM wouldn't really get. We always get the toned down versions. I'm a bit sad that that Forester doesn't have the higher torque to HP ratio. I liked having "diesel-like" torque (more torque than HP). The taillights are kind of annoying. I like the current generation taillights because of the color and crystal clear lights. I've always hated turn signals that aren't yellow but instead red and used by the brake lights as well (like current MY Mustangs yuck).

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Old 09-24-2012, 11:30 PM   #43
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Huh? Every square inch of the mule matches the leaked brochure, exactly. Not sure what you're missing.
Some people don't assume: if it quack likes a duck, act likes a duck, waddles like a duck, smells like a duck, flies like a duck, it is a duck.

Yeah, it "fits" the images posted but until I see the blue Pleiades badge on that car, it's still unconfirmed.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:32 PM   #44
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Most manual transmission Foresters sold outside of North America are dual range. The driver can put the transmission in "Low" mode by raising a lever on the center console which engages a reduction gear, effectively doubling the number of gears. Here's a picture of the lever, which is a little confusing because it is show in both possible positions:


It appears that Subaru has figured out how to do this with the CVT transmission and given it a trademarked name - Xmode.
I don't really like that for some reason. But it seems very niche which is what Subaru is supposed to be. I guess we'll see if it grows on people or not.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:33 PM   #45
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Maybe it's just me but I don't see much of a difference from the 09-12s and I really wish Subaru would give the Forester it's own interior. Having 3 models with the same dash is cheap.
It makes sence, remember its a Subaru, not a luxury company. I would rather them cut corners this way than in some other way. My outlander shares the same interior with Evo, Lancer, and who kmows what else that I havent driven.
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:38 PM   #46
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Some people don't assume: if it quack likes a duck, act likes a duck, waddles like a duck, smells like a duck, flies like a duck, it is a duck.

Yeah, it "fits" the images posted but until I see the blue Pleiades badge on that car, it's still unconfirmed.
The camouflaged mule has been known to be the next Forester for months. The automotive paparazzi that follows these cars around know who's testing what and which manufacturer plates belong with which companies.


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I don't really like that for some reason. But it seems very niche which is what Subaru is supposed to be. I guess we'll see if it grows on people or not.
Most old-school Subaru fans miss the old pre-'88 dual-range 4WD Subarus... myself included.

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Old 09-24-2012, 11:53 PM   #47
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The camouflaged mule has been known to be the next Forester for months. The automotive paparazzi that follows these cars around know who's testing what and which manufacturer plates belong with which companies.



Most old-school Subaru fans miss the old pre-'88 dual-range 4WD Subarus... myself included.
I don't really like the old BRAT low and high range shifter. It seems antiquated and a bit like a SX4... Not a vehicle I would consider buying at all to begin with. Is there a reason why Subaru's AWD system needs a low and high range on a CVT? Maybe I'm missing something here but I'd rather not have to shift out of a low range when the current system already handles that automatically on slippery surfaces with VDC and TCS. I like the system we have now where I don't have to mechanically shift the vehicle into a mode so that it can get out of a slippery situation when the current VDC and TCS does that for me (and I don't have to shift into a low or high gear).
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Old 09-24-2012, 11:59 PM   #48
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Some people don't assume: if it quack likes a duck, act likes a duck, waddles like a duck, smells like a duck, flies like a duck, it is a duck.

Yeah, it "fits" the images posted but until I see the blue Pleiades badge on that car, it's still unconfirmed.

The camo car is the new Forester.
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Old 09-25-2012, 12:21 AM   #49
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I don't really like the old BRAT low and high range shifter. It seems antiquated and a bit like a SX4... Not a vehicle I would consider buying at all to begin with. Is there a reason why Subaru's AWD system needs a low and high range on a CVT? Maybe I'm missing something here but I'd rather not have to shift out of a low range when the current system already handles that automatically on slippery surfaces with VDC and TCS. I like the system we have now where I don't have to mechanically shift the vehicle into a mode so that it can get out of a slippery situation when the current VDC and TCS does that for me (and I don't have to shift into a low or high gear).
The Low mode of dual range transmissions is used almost exclusively off-road at very slow speeds. If you never go off-road, you'll have little-to-no need for Low mode. Just because you might have no need for it doesn't mean that Subaru shouldn't include it on USDM models. I think it would provide even more bona fides for the new Forester among the folks who do take their vehicles off road.

BTW, I suspect that when the Low Xmode is engaged, the CVT is forced into manual mode, where you have some number (perhaps six) of fixed gear ratios that are selected via the paddle shifters.

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Old 09-25-2012, 12:31 AM   #50
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The Low mode of dual range transmissions is used almost exclusively off-road at very slow speeds. If you never go off-road, you'll have little-to-no need for Low mode. Just because you might have no need for it doesn't mean that Subaru shouldn't include it on USDM models. I think it would provide even more bona fides for the new Forester among folk who do take their vehicles off road.
Just because I dislike something doesn't mean I don't want Subaru to include it in their vehicles.

I go off road but I'm used to going to places I don't need a low or high range. Otherwise, if I do, I either take the SUV or don't go.
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