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Old 11-13-2012, 07:02 PM   #926
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What baffles me is the S# mode, because it's entirely a psychological trick. Essentially, Sport Sharp makes the stepless CVT pretend it's an 8-speed automatic transmission, by changing the straight ramp up of ratios into a sawtooth-pattern of gear steps, with the engine revs slowing and speeding up accordingly like they would if actual gears were used. I suppose it sort of feels like you're going faster, but only because we're used to hearing and feeling gear changes. The reality is it's actually a bit slower and less efficient.
But does manual mode in Sport # have the "8-gears" too? If so, then you can control the engine rpms, more so than the "6-gears" in Intelligent and Sport modes.

I'm really interested in seeing how XT drivetrain operates. Can't wait.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:16 PM   #927
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Maybe the media embargo hasn't been lifted yet?
That's what I'm assuming. Anyone take a screen cap?
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:29 PM   #928
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That's what I'm assuming. Anyone take a screen cap?

I didn't but you really don't miss much from the quotes that I posted. The rest contained info previously mentioned in this thread regarding engine options, transmissions, door design so mud doesn't get in as easily...etc.

The author mentioned that he drove a pre-production model (that was very close to production version) however wanted to wait until he got to drive a production version to write a full review. He spent time at Subaru's closed course/training area.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:40 PM   #929
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Piecing together some of the article from google:

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I didn't get to drive off-road, but I did get to try some interesting things driving up a hill, with rollers on one side of the car. This was to simulate if half your wheels were on ice, and the Forester new traction control system did adapt quite quickly, letting me drive up the steep hill with only a couple of seconds of wheel spinning and the car doing lots of math.
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All told, I think Subaru's done a good job updating the Forester. They've retained the useful qualities of the car, highlighted the unique parts (low-center of gravity boxer engine) and actually made it quick and fun to drive. Let's just hope there's a facelift scheduled for 2015.


Btw, article mentioned XT does 0-60 in 6.2 seconds and Porsche Cayenne V6 does it in 6.1 for comparison.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:46 PM   #930
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Jalopnik will re-release their Forester story at 11PM (CST?), according this:
http://jalopnik.com/5960297/

P.S. I bet we see many other 'first impression' reviews from the auto mags hitting the 'net just after midnight (EST) tonight.

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Old 11-13-2012, 09:02 PM   #931
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If Subaru wants to cement the new Forester's utility bona fides, then it needs to be equipped with a trailer hitch receiver. I don't see one in this picture of the XT.

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Old 11-13-2012, 09:06 PM   #932
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Odd it doesn't say "Subaru" on the back of that XT...
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:16 PM   #933
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Maybe Subaru figures they finally have enough brand recognition that people can figure it out based on the logo and the model name.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:34 PM   #934
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Odd it doesn't say "Subaru" on the back of that XT...
They will add it just like they did with the USDM BRZ.
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Old 11-13-2012, 09:52 PM   #935
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They will add it just like they did with the USDM BRZ.
Exactly. I predict that pictures of the USspec Forester's rear end, come Nov 28, will show the word SUBARU (in place of "Symmetrical AWD"). SOA is very anal in that the word SUBARU must appear on the rear end of all its cars.
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:50 PM   #936
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Jalopnik will re-release their Forester story at 11PM (CST?), according this:
http://jalopnik.com/5960297/

P.S. I bet we see many other 'first impression' reviews from the auto mags hitting the 'net just after midnight (EST) tonight.

I don't get why they removed the article in the first place. Anyone saved it prior so we can compare to the re-release?
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:01 PM   #937
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Exactly. I predict that pictures of the USspec Forester's rear end, come Nov 28, will show the word SUBARU (in place of "Symmetrical AWD"). SOA is very anal in that the word SUBARU must appear on the rear end of all its cars.
Yup. I read, many years ago, an SOA exec saying they will do that until the Subaru brand has enough recognition that people will just know a car is a Subaru. I guess we're still not there yet.
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:07 PM   #938
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Exactly. I predict that pictures of the USspec Forester's rear end, come Nov 28, will show the word SUBARU (in place of "Symmetrical AWD"). SOA is very anal in that the word SUBARU must appear on the rear end of all its cars.

Nothing a little dental floss can't fix.

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I don't get why they removed the article in the first place. Anyone saved it prior so we can compare to the re-release?
Media embargo. They posted it too early. Only thing saved was the material I quoted several posts earlier.
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Old 11-13-2012, 11:53 PM   #939
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If Subaru wants to cement the new Forester's utility bona fides, then it needs to be equipped with a trailer hitch receiver. I don't see one in this picture of the XT.
They will probably have it as an accessory for an extra cost.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:00 AM   #940
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Media embargo. They posted it too early. Only thing saved was the material I quoted several posts earlier.

LOL...oh ok, wow cool
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:27 AM   #941
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The 2.5X is still a very valid option for those not wanting to spend ~+$3,000 for the XT when they don't need the additional 80hp/84 torques. The 2.5 is a very valid option and I could see SOA selling many more 2.5X than the 2.0 XT just based on the cost aspect. The added power of the XT is really nice if you plan on towing quite often with the Forester.
Yeah, but I see the XT selling FAR better than it ever has...

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Actual U.S pricing would probably be lower but I thought it was interesting to observe that adding the eyesight package adds about US $ 1250 to the price. Not a bad price for the additional benefit this brings along.
That's what it adds here.....


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Exactly. I predict that pictures of the USspec Forester's rear end, come Nov 28, will show the word SUBARU (in place of "Symmetrical AWD"). SOA is very anal in that the word SUBARU must appear on the rear end of all its cars.
That will still be there also.

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Yup. I read, many years ago, an SOA exec saying they will do that until the Subaru brand has enough recognition that people will just know a car is a Subaru. I guess we're still not there yet.

I think they haven't had it on the JDM ones in a while.
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:10 AM   #942
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http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...e_quick_drive/

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2014 Subaru Forester Prototype Quick Drive

We're deep inside Subaru's Tochigi Proving Grounds north of Tokyo, and our test driver is getting rowdy in a turbocharged prototype of the all-new 2014 Subaru Forester. Rocks are furiously pinging off of Subie's new crossover as he whips it into a gravel rut and gracefully executes a four-wheel drift as the 2.0-liter FA20 turbo wails away. So, yeah, seems capable enough.

The new Forester is a hugely important vehicle for Subaru, and while whipping it around off-road is fun and all, the brand's execs/engineers/designers/PR flaks -- heck, even the security guards at Tochigi's main gate -- know full well that its fourth-generation crossover, which accounts for roughly a quarter of Subaru's sales, must perform at its American dealerships. Translation: Make it bigger, quieter, more efficient, and more powerful.

At Tochigi, we had a chance to get an up close and personal look at the new Forester, including a few high-speed hot laps around the facility's massively banked, 2-mile parabolic oval and infield track, and from what we can make of it so far, Subaru has achieved its goals of improving the weak points of its outgoing model without messing too much with the formula that made it capable enough to score our 2009 Sport/Utility of the Year title.

Designers always get to mess with a new-generation vehicle, and while the 2014 Forester's basic footprint remains roughly the same (every major exterior dimension is within an inch of the outgoing model), there are some noticeable changes, chief among them no more hood scoop for the turbo, as Subaru says it's aiming for a more mature, refined look. The XT does get its own mug to distinguish it from non-turbo models, including blade-cut look flourishes, unique foglamps, and HID lighting, and it also gets bigger brakes and rim/tire packages. The Forester's front and rear fascias have also been updated, with new head and taillight treatments and foglamp housings, and an updated grille. The rear spoiler has been re-engineered to aid with aerodynamics; there's a slightly more sloped rear roofline; and the A-pillar has been moved forward to help grow overall room and improve vehicle access.

The interior changes are more dramatic. The curved front dash of the outgoing model has been reshaped for a more horizontal feel. Engineers worked extremely hard on improving ingress and egress for shorter folks in front and children in the rear, and rear-seat legroom has been improved. Soft-touch points are more prominent, and the instrument panel and center stack have also been modernized. One-touch fold-down second-row 60/40 seats open up to a slightly bigger cargo area, and the rear tailgate now has an available power option. Subaru has also upped its game in the telematics/entertainment departments. The Forester will be available with Subaru's EyeSight suite of safety tech, harman/kardon audio (we cranked it up and it sounds tight), and enhanced navigation and smartphone integration features, including Aha Radio.

Motivating the new Forester are two engine combinations, one new and one well-worn. All 2.5i models get Subaru's 2.5-liter naturally aspirated flat-four with 170 horsepower and 174 lb-ft of torque, which is essentially unchanged, but both transmissions are new -- a six-speed manual and Subaru's Lineartronic continuously variable transmission. Subaru is quoting 0-60 mph times in the low 9-second range for the 2.5 models. The XT comes in one combo only, a turbocharged, direct-injected (Subaru's own system, NOT Toyota's DI unit from the BRZ/FR-S) version of Subaru's new 2.0-liter (no, the turbo won't fit in the BRZ) rated at a maximum 250 horsepower and 258 lb-ft, paired with an optimized version of the CVT (no, the XT won't have a manual). What you will get with the CVT are two sets of "manual" modes in both six- and eight-speed flavors.

Neither mode will get you to Subaru's claimed 0-to-60 mph time of 6.2-seconds for the XT any faster than if you just matted the gas and let the CVT take it to redline and wail away, but the mapped-out ratios will help keep the turbo in the power band in certain situations - and it's always cooler to pop the paddles and impress your friends, anyway. Fuel economy for each is an estimated max of 24/32 city/highway mpg for the 2.5i and 23/28 for the XT, well above the outgoing models and right there with the best in the segment, front- or all-wheel drive. The turbo also is capable of running on regular gas right up to 93 octane, although performance will vary depending on the type of dino juice added.

We had a brief stint in each new Forester flavor (CVT only) around Tochigi's imposing oval and a one-lap blast around the facility's handling course back-to-back with the previous-gen base model, and the differences were patently obvious. Both new-gen Foresters were much quieter at speed and under high revs, and were far more adept around the handling course, where playing with the sport paddles proved most beneficial. Subaru engineers spent considerable time improving chassis rigidity, response, and stability, with a goal of reducing the dreaded pitch and wobble. One lap around the handling loop confirmed that the engineers did their jobs well. Gold stars all around.

After our laps we also had an opportunity to sample Subaru's new low-speed traction system, dubbed X-Mode (maybe the X-Men had a hand its development?), which reduces wheelspin dramatically to whatever wheel needs traction the most. The system can be activated at speeds below 13 mph and disengages after 25 mph. X-Mode's hill-climbing control demonstration centered on a Forester getting its two left-side wheels stopped on a set of rollers on an incline. In X-Mode it easily moved off the rollers with little effort. Let's just say the Hyundai Tucson and Toyota Rav4 all-wheel-drive models also on hand for the demo did not fare nearly as well. Hill decent is also part of the X-Mode package, which takes Subaru's well-worn all-wheel drive prowess to the next level of sophistication.

We'll have to get more time in actual production versions of the new 2014 Forester to form more robust and informed opinions, but it doesn't take a Subaru engineer to tell us that the new Forester indeed stays true what made the present model a success, while bolstering areas where it needed it the most. And if you want to rip around in a gravel pit when it goes on sale early next year, it can do that, too.
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:22 AM   #943
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For those who are wondering about x-mode here is a video on what it does. Japanese but easy to follow.

http://subaruevent.nefficient.jp/sub...M5_MV1_AWD.mp4
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:49 AM   #944
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Lowered with no rack.

Yes and YES! Exactly how it will sit in my garage...because better looking functional wagon. Thanks chan!
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:41 AM   #945
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Am I reading that right where it says 91 is not required? 23/28mpg on the XT?! Wow. This keeps getting better and better!
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:53 AM   #946
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Am I reading that right where it says 91 is not required? 23/28mpg on the XT?! Wow. This keeps getting better and better!
Correct. 93 is recommended but it will run on regular. 4mpg pickup is nice for the XT.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:53 AM   #947
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Am I reading that right where it says 91 is not required? 23/28mpg on the XT?! Wow. This keeps getting better and better!
Yep, DI has a lot to do with that.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:09 AM   #948
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Pretty sweet, makes you wonder what the next WRX/STi will be in terms on MPG then.

And that lowered Forester looks hot!
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:13 AM   #949
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I like how a lot of magazines like Autoweek insist that the 2.5 liter engine is a carryover model, as if it was an EJ engine or something.

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Old 11-14-2012, 11:18 AM   #950
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I like how a lot of magazines like Autoweek insist that the 2.5 liter engine is a carryover model, as if it was an EJ engine or something.
Well the FB25 is a carryover. It has been offered since 2011 model.
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