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Old 11-14-2012, 10:21 AM   #951
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I'm really really starting to want an XT! I wish these would have come out before I bought my 12 impreza, it was actually my plan to get Forester but I didn't want the 4eat and couldn't wait any longer. I wonder how much I can get for trade in...or for that matter, how much I'd lose if I did do a trade in :/
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:42 AM   #953
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Well the FB25 is a carryover. It has been offered since 2011 model.
Nobody has yet to point that out though, making it sound like this is an engine that was designed during the Clinton administration.

The FB is still a "new" design, compared to the EJ that it replaced.
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Old 11-14-2012, 10:49 AM   #954
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Nobody has yet to point that out though, making it sound like this is an engine that was designed during the Clinton administration.

The FB is still a "new" design, compared to the EJ that it replaced.
Yes and no, the major changes were essentially a complex timing chain and required synthetic oil, there was essentially no net gain in fuel economy you won't get by putting Mobil 1 in an EJ series.
Had it been paired with direct injection or start-stop like the JDM/ EDM models, it might be something to write home about. Instead they saw the sales numbers and took another dump under the hood for the USDM Forester until 2013.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:21 AM   #955
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Am I reading that right where it says 91 is not required? 23/28mpg on the XT?! Wow. This keeps getting better and better!
This is excellent news, fuel requirements and 28mpg!
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:25 AM   #956
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This is excellent news, fuel requirements and 28mpg!
Yep, and most initial reviews are favorable. I wonder what the price tag on the XT will be.
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:50 AM   #957
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^ I would expect the XT to start around $28k.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:06 PM   #958
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This is excellent news, fuel requirements and 28mpg!
Some of the reviews point out that max HP on the XT drops from 250 to 230 when octane drops from 93 to 91. I imagine the XT's max HP would drop below 200 if you run it on 87 octane.

Running 87 octane in the new XT might not reduce highway fuel economy when cruising at a steady speed on a level highway. However I do think highway fuel economy would suffer while driving on I-70 up to the Eisenhower Tunnel or Vail Pass, because engine load would be much higher and spark advance would have to be retarded to avoid knock.
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:15 PM   #959
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If Subaru wants to cement the new Forester's utility bona fides, then it needs to be equipped with a trailer hitch receiver. I don't see one in this picture of the XT.
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They will probably have it as an accessory for an extra cost.
They WILL have it as an accessory. They've already posted the installation instructions on the TechInfo site

SEARCH UNDER "ACCESSORY INSTALLATION GUIDES" - 2014 Forester: http://techinfo.subaru.com/search/index.html
DIRECT LINK: http://techinfo.subaru.com/proxy/697...l1010sg610.pdf
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:34 PM   #960
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Some of the reviews point out that max HP on the XT drops from 250 to 230 when octane drops from 93 to 91. I imagine the XT's max HP would drop below 200 if you run it on 87 octane.

Running 87 octane in the new XT might not reduce highway fuel economy when cruising at a steady speed on a level highway. However I do think highway fuel economy would suffer while driving on I-70 up to the Eisenhower Tunnel or Vail Pass, because engine load would be much higher and spark advance would have to be retarded to avoid knock.
True, but it is nice to have that flexibility without being required to have 91 octane, especially for Denver daily commuting and road trips on the flat lands. Plus, fuel economy goes out the window if your stuck in I-70 traffic on the weekends .
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Old 11-14-2012, 12:46 PM   #961
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X-MODE:

"The '14 Forester also offers an off-road bonus. A one-button program called X-Mode changes several control parameters for off-pavement use, including throttle/torque map, stability management and torque split, and it adds hill-descent control." (Autoweek)

"In this mode the differential clutches tighten by 25 percent, throttle response is softened and the transmission holds low gear longer and doesn't lock its torque converter. The brake-based torque-vectoring system more aggressively intervenes to combat wheelspin, and there's an effective hill descent control program." (Automobile Mag)

"After our laps we also had an opportunity to sample Subaru's new low-speed traction system, dubbed X-Mode (maybe the X-Men had a hand its development?), which reduces wheelspin dramatically to whatever wheel needs it most when the going gets slippery. The system can be activated at speeds below 13 mph and disengages after 25 mph. X-Mode's hill-climbing control demonstration centered on a Forester getting its two left-side wheels stopped on a set of rollers on an incline. In X-Mode it easily moved off the rollers with little effort. Let's just say the Hyundai Tucson and Toyota Rav4 all-wheel-drive models also on hand for the demo did not fare nearly as well. Hill decent control is also part of the X-Mode package, which takes Subaru's all-wheel drive prowess to the next level of sophistication." (MT)

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Old 11-14-2012, 12:51 PM   #962
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X-MODE: "The '14 Forester also offers an off-road bonus. A one-button program called X-Mode changes several control parameters for off-pavement use, including throttle/torque map, stability management and torque split, and it adds hill-descent control." (Autoweek)
The other reviews state specifically that the XT only comes with the high torque CVT, but at least it has paddle shifters. So you can bet that the XT does not have a 6MT.
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:05 PM   #963
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This is why I don't trust reviews.

Autoblog:
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The base model is mated to either a six-speed manual transmission or the aforementioned CVT. The turbocharged model gets either a six-speed manual or CVT with paddle shifters offering eight "speeds."
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There's two flat-four boxer engines for the new Forester, a 2.5-liter normally aspirated and a 2.0-liter turbocharged. The NA engine makes 170 HP/174 lb-ft, and the Turbo one makes a very respectable 250 HP/258 lb-ft. For the 2.5, you can pick between a 6-speed manual and CVT, and the CVT is the only transmission for the Turbo 2.0.
I know that the press release, and knowledge tells me that Jalopnik is correct, and Autoblog is mistaken.

But how easy would it be for Autoblog to be right, and me to actually be able to consider a 6-speed 250hp DIT XT Touring, and figure out how to fix the ridiculous looks.

the '10-12 Legacy GT had it... it will hold up, this is FRAKKING RIDICULOUS.

And it would be the only vehicle in it's segment to actually offer a stick combined with AWD, good power, and options, even if it is Build-to-Order factory specification only, and not forced on dealer inventory lists.

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Old 11-14-2012, 01:15 PM   #964
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This is why I don't trust reviews.

Autoblog:


Jalopnik:


I know that the press release, and knowledge tells me that Jalopnik is correct, and Autoblog is mistaken.

But how easy would it be for Autoblog to be right, and me to actually be able to consider a 6-speed 250hp DIT XT Touring, and figure out how to fix the ridiculous looks.

the '10-12 Legacy GT had it... it will hold up, this is FRAKKING RIDICULOUS.

And it would be the only vehicle in it's segment to actually offer a stick combined with AWD, good power, and options.
Yea, my wife and I both have a 1 hour commute to work each day, so fuel efficiency matters. But we also just had a baby and needed a larger vehicle to carry the stroller, groceries and the dog etc.... We ended up buying a RAV 4 for her and i kept my car simply because there was nothing in the segment that appealed to me. You could get a manual forester but it was essentially exactly the same as what i already have with more room. My car being paid off, we decided to take a loss on her 2010 camry and trade it in for the 2011 RAV4.

If the XT had a manual and a 2.0T turbo, they would be a market leader. I would have traded my impreza up in a heartbeat. 28mpg and a manual. I spend about $10 more a week on fuel, but gain tons of fun!!!!!
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:28 PM   #965
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If the XT had a manual and a 2.0T turbo, they would be a market leader. I would have traded my impreza up in a heartbeat. 28mpg and a manual. I spend about $10 more a week on fuel, but gain tons of fun!!!!!
How do we convince SOA and FHI that "this time we'll actually buy them" after the 2005-6 ones languished on the lots?
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:29 PM   #966
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Manual 2.0 DIT XT FTW! But sadly SOA will never offer that.

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How do we convince SOA and FHI that "this time we'll actually buy them" after the 2005-6 ones languished on the lots?
Make it BTO.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:24 PM   #968
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Some of the reviews point out that max HP on the XT drops from 250 to 230 when octane drops from 93 to 91. I imagine the XT's max HP would drop below 200 if you run it on 87 octane.

Running 87 octane in the new XT might not reduce highway fuel economy when cruising at a steady speed on a level highway. However I do think highway fuel economy would suffer while driving on I-70 up to the Eisenhower Tunnel or Vail Pass, because engine load would be much higher and spark advance would have to be retarded to avoid knock.
Cocoa Beach Bum - thanks for posting the prototype drive links. Why on Earth would Subaru restrict the turbo horsepower rating by requiring 93 octane for maximum (250hp) performance? I don't recall even seeing 93 octane available in my area (91 for premium) unless you want to pay for race gas. I like what I've seen/read about the new Forester Turbo and am seriously considering it but the new Turbo likely won't be any quicker than the previous model unless you're willing to hunt/pay for 93 octane. Disappointing and might be a deal breaker for me.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:24 PM   #969
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That Autoblog article has a few errors. Pretty shoddy work.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:31 PM   #970
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Cocoa Beach Bum - thanks for posting the prototype drive links. Why on Earth would Subaru restrict the turbo horsepower rating by requiring 93 octane for maximum (250hp) performance? I don't recall even seeing 93 octane available in my area (91 for premium) unless you want to pay for race gas. I like what I've seen/read about the new Forester Turbo and am seriously considering it but the new Turbo likely won't be any quicker than the previous model unless you're willing to hunt/pay for 93 octane. Disappointing and might be a deal breaker for me.
Is that 93 in Japan or 93 in US? Don't we use different methods?
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:32 PM   #971
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Does anyone know what turbo the USDM FA20 DIT uses? The Legacy DIT is a twinscroll correct?
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:37 PM   #972
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I wasn't aware that there was a USDM FA20DIT yet...
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Cocoa Beach Bum - thanks for posting the prototype drive links. Why on Earth would Subaru restrict the turbo horsepower rating by requiring 93 octane for maximum (250hp) performance? I don't recall even seeing 93 octane available in my area (91 for premium) unless you want to pay for race gas. I like what I've seen/read about the new Forester Turbo and am seriously considering it but the new Turbo likely won't be any quicker than the previous model unless you're willing to hunt/pay for 93 octane. Disappointing and might be a deal breaker for me.
All turbo Subarus (and most other premium fuel cars) are tuned for 93 Oct. This is why magazines tend to show slower 0-60 times than we know on the forum as they test in California with garbage 91 octane.
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I wasn't aware that there was a USDM FA20DIT yet...
Maybe i'm confused- what is the DIT engine in the 2014 FXT?
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:52 PM   #975
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How do we convince SOA and FHI that "this time we'll actually buy them" after the 2005-6 ones languished on the lots?
I'm sure they troll these forums. It has to make sense from a business perspective. The reason the previous generation forester XT in 2005-2006 didn't sell so well was because it looked too much like a station wagon, the look only attracted a certain segment of buyers which didn't care for a performance model. The 2008-2012ish model was also only automatic and got crappy 24mpg while also requiring higher price high octane fuel. Compared to the rest of the market with V6's with more power that got better mpg, it was a losing formula.

Enter this model, which pretty much looks like the rest of the competition dimensionally, but also offer sporty 6 speed manual, turbo, and high mpg. That's a winning formula when compared to the bland Rav4, CRV, Outlander, Escape, equinox etc.... It would be the new WRX for someone with a family. Drive them slowly to soccer practice, then take the windy long way home from work. It wouldn't hurt sales to throw on a few STI badges as well, even if it is dealer installed accessories. Give it some reputational street cred.

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