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Old 09-26-2012, 12:32 AM   #76
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What are the chances this Forester will have 7 seats? It appears to be Tribeca-sized...
Versus current Forester it's 1.42" longer, .55" wider, .83" taller, .94" longer wheelbase, same ground clearance, similar weight. I think you missed this post earlier in the thread:

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'14 Forester

Length 4595 mm
Width 1795 mm
Height 1695 mm
Wheelbase 2640 mm
Ground clearance 220 mm
Weight 1440-1490 kg


'08-13 SH Forester

Length 4559 mm
Width 1781 mm
Height 1674 mm
Wheelbase 2616 mm
Ground clearance 220mm
Weight ~1470 kg
I think it's also useful to post comparison to Outback:

'14 Forester 180.9"L / 70.7"W / 66.7"H / 103.9"WB / 8.7"GC / 3175 LBS min
'13 Outback 189.0"L / 71.7"W / 66.1"H / 107.9"WB / 8.7"GC / 3423 LBS min

Note that Outback width is with mirrors folded in... not sure about Forester. With mirrors out, Outback adds another 9" in width. Outback height is with rack/crossbars... not sure about Forester.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:15 AM   #77
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What are the chances this Forester will have 7 seats? It appears to be Tribeca-sized...
Plenty, as long as you go to a Hyundai dealership and buy a 13.5 Santa Fe.

The low rear slope does not lend anything to a 3rd row, hopefully that means we'll be getting the Exiga with the death of the Tribeca
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:43 AM   #78
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I have a 12 Impreza and aside from a few issues drivers side seat cloth fraying and a a pillar rattle which were both taken care under warranty it is a solid car. One thing is for sure it seems like some folks including myself are not getting the 27/36 MPG unless you drive it like grandma.
EPA combined fuel economy is 30 mpg for the CVT and 28 for the Manual. Fuelly's average of 192 submissions is 28.1 mpg which includes manuals. There are more averaging 29,30,31 than 26, 27, 28.

For reference the 33 combined mpg elantra averages 30.4 mpg on fuelly

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Old 09-26-2012, 12:58 PM   #79
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Plenty, as long as you go to a Hyundai dealership and buy a 13.5 Santa Fe.

The low rear slope does not lend anything to a 3rd row, hopefully that means we'll be getting the Exiga with the death of the Tribeca
Why would you want something smaller than what is currently available when size is one of the big gripes?
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:35 PM   #80
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Any guesses if SOA will incorporate stop-start technology on the '14 Forester?
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Old 09-26-2012, 06:41 PM   #81
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Any guesses if SOA will incorporate stop-start technology on the '14 Forester?
They should - as well as brake energy regeneration.
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Old 09-26-2012, 10:13 PM   #82
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They should - as well as brake energy regeneration.

Are you assuming the next Forester will also be the Hybrid?
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Old 09-26-2012, 10:34 PM   #83
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Are you assuming the next Forester will also be the Hybrid?
I think he meant a super light hybrid like Buick's eAssist which replaces the alternator.

"eAssist is a light electrification system that builds on the mild hybrid system first used in the 2007 Saturn Aura Green Line. eAssist replaces the alternator with a larger belt-drive motor/generator. During heavy acceleration, it adds 15 horsepower to the LaCrosse’s standard 182-horsepower 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine. Juice comes from a 115-volt lithium-ion battery that unfortunately takes up over a third of the trunk space.

Regenerative braking helps keep the battery charged, thus enabling this LaCrosse to be the first Buick with automatic stop-start. Economy is also improved during deceleration by engine fuel shutoff. But, to avoid choppy throttle response, the motor/generator continues spinning the crank for immediate take-off power. The result is that eAssist boosts LaCrosse four-cylinder City fuel economy by 30 percent to 25, with the Highway rating rising 20 percent to 36 mpg."
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:00 PM   #84
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I think he meant a super light hybrid like Buick's eAssist which replaces the alternator.

"eAssist is a light electrification system that builds on the mild hybrid system first used in the 2007 Saturn Aura Green Line. eAssist replaces the alternator with a larger belt-drive motor/generator. During heavy acceleration, it adds 15 horsepower to the LaCrosse’s standard 182-horsepower 2.4-liter four-cylinder engine. Juice comes from a 115-volt lithium-ion battery that unfortunately takes up over a third of the trunk space.

Regenerative braking helps keep the battery charged, thus enabling this LaCrosse to be the first Buick with automatic stop-start. Economy is also improved during deceleration by engine fuel shutoff. But, to avoid choppy throttle response, the motor/generator continues spinning the crank for immediate take-off power. The result is that eAssist boosts LaCrosse four-cylinder City fuel economy by 30 percent to 25, with the Highway rating rising 20 percent to 36 mpg."
Well, yes, but similar to BMW and I believe other manufacturers - without the big battery in the trunk, to my knowledge.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:20 PM   #85
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Subaru does have auto start/stop in other markets and it was supposed to be implemented globally, but Subaru seems slow about those things so I wouldn't bet on it. It's a possibility, though.

EyeSight was supposed to be here years ago, but just now arrives on our shores.
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Old 09-26-2012, 11:51 PM   #86
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It IS a duck.
... or rather an ugly duckling ! Wow..... so much for getting our hopes too high over this.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:03 AM   #87
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... or rather an ugly duckling ! Wow..... so much for getting our hopes too high over this.
Everyone's entitled to their opinions on this forum, but based on the initial reactions I've been reading here and elsewhere, I think you are in a very small minority thinking it is ugly. Personally, I think it's the best-looking Subaru ever (OK the BRZ's pretty good looking, too). Just hoping that it looks as good when clearer, undistorted pictures are released.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:39 AM   #88
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Subaru does have auto start/stop in other markets and it was supposed to be implemented globally, but Subaru seems slow about those things so I wouldn't bet on it. It's a possibility, though.

EyeSight was supposed to be here years ago, but just now arrives on our shores.
Start/Stop is expensive and doesn't show up on the EPA test cycle in a significant way.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:43 AM   #89
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... or rather an ugly duckling ! Wow..... so much for getting our hopes too high over this.
Like every new Subaru introduced since the 'net started, everybody HATED it. You are not a unique snowflake.
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Old 09-27-2012, 11:47 AM   #90
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Like every new Subaru introduced since the 'net started, everybody HATED it. You are not a unique snowflake.
2004 JDM, 2005 USDM Legacy was not hated. It was a BIG improvement over the wallflower it replaced.

It attracted me before the USDM model was released... and I researched, and saved, and prepared for two years to afford the one I have.

I KNEW it was the car I wanted, among other Subarus, and compared to any other car on the market.

I have not been that engaged with a new Subaru since. Every one since has been a trade-off, a compromise, or just plain not interesting.
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Old 09-27-2012, 12:40 PM   #91
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Everyone's entitled to their opinions on this forum, but based on the initial reactions I've been reading here and elsewhere, I think you are in a very small minority thinking it is ugly. Personally, I think it's the best-looking Subaru ever (OK the BRZ's pretty good looking, too). Just hoping that it looks as good when clearer, undistorted pictures are released.
Subaru has always had a quirky love it or hate it edge.

However, if you think it's the best looking Subaru ever made, I wonder... how long have you been around Subarus? Ever heard of the 22B? Yeah. This doesn't hold a candle to that car. Period. I mean, it's 'nice', but it ain't no 22B (Or SVX or XT for that matter).

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I am not even yet convinced by some grainy catalog pictures that the '14 Forester is better looking than the current model, especially with a nice set of wheels on the 09-13 SH models.



ItalDesign-penned SVX, 2.5RS/WRX/22B Impreza Coupe, and BL Legacy GT (2004/5-2009) are all better looking Subarus, and IMHO, the top 3.




while not at the top of the list of good looking subarus, I might also venture so far as to say that the 2008-current Tribeca might be better looking than the projected 2014 new Forester... maybe even on par or better than the current Forester. The earlier Tribeca might also... aside from the schnozz grille on the front that ruins it. A slightly modified 08-current Tribeca (wheels and tires, maybe slight lowering) would look even better.


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Old 09-27-2012, 01:21 PM   #94
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HTBS, SH is the worse looking Forrster. SF and SG are much better looking.
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Another worthless post that has no discussion at all from SoDealer.

The evaluation of the SH forester, depends on what you consider good looking, and what kind of vehicle you think Forester is.

If Forester is a tall-roof wagon for you... I can see why you think the earlier ones are better looking.

Of the earlier ones, I think the 03-05 early SG ones are the best looking. I think they got blander later, other than the sharpened Sport X and XT for 07-08.

But I like the 03-05 models are better looking because they look more serious, and also related to why I like the SH... it looks more like an SUV than a tall-roof Impreza-wagon.

The SI? 2014 model looks similar in height and such... but the fascias and the lighting looks like it will be closer to the Impreza and XV Crosstrek.... and follow the CRV, Escape, CX5, and others to look more like bloated cars, rather than looking like small modest-duty alternatives to full-truck SUVs.
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Old 09-27-2012, 03:47 PM   #96
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Start/Stop is expensive and doesn't show up on the EPA test cycle in a significant way.
I don't know about that. The vehicle comes to a stop 18 times in about 23 minutes during the city driving test. The amount of "idling" at each stop varies, though.

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Old 09-27-2012, 03:50 PM   #97
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HTBS, SH is the worse looking Forrster. SF and SG are much better looking.
Opinion.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:44 PM   #98
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Opinion.
Of course but so is HTBS statements. I have not heard hardcore Subaru fans state the SH is the best looking Forester ever. Well besides HTBS.
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Old 09-27-2012, 04:59 PM   #99
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Oh, come on... you guys have to admit that some of the SH Forester examples that I have been putting up lately are pretty darn good looking, as CUVs go.

Some with as little as just a new set of wheels and tires, some with a bit of lowering which looks good but isn't absolutely required to look good. I have no idea why Subaru OE wheels seem to look so dowdy and boring as of late. More than usual the last few years, with maybe one or two exceptions.
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Old 09-27-2012, 05:12 PM   #100
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For the first time ever, I have to agree with Hip. SH Forester is a nice looking car. Autoblog agrees as well.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/25/f...rochure-scans/
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Upon its introduction for 2008, we couldn't help but feel that the third-generation Forester was perhaps Subaru's most attractive design effort in many, many years. While there was little that was groundbreaking about the design, its simple two-box shape was – and is – clean and free of extraneous details.
I think "hardcore" subaru fans will always lean towards they models they see on these forums, which are mostly the older ones, but they are confusing emotional attachment to a design with objectively good looks.
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