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Old 11-17-2012, 05:54 PM   #1076
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Yes, there is. There is a base model XT aka the XT Premium. The lower trim of the XT models compared to the XT Touring for USDM or XT EyeSight for JDM.

No base
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:02 PM   #1077
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No base
If you're a salesman, I sure that's true. If you're a customer, it is a base, period. It's the bare bones turbocharged version compared to the next trim for the XT variant. No, of course it's not the NA base that literally is nothing but bare bones but it's the "beginning" trim level for the XT.

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Old 11-17-2012, 06:04 PM   #1078
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I have a black/gray Impreza sport(12 model year) and the new forester looks more the Impreza than the XV in some shots!
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:26 PM   #1079
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If you're a salesman, I sure that's true. If you're a customer, it is a base, period. It's the bare bones turbocharged version compared to the next trim for the XT variant. No, of course it's not the NA base that literally is nothing but bare bones but it's the "beginning" trim level for the XT.

Yes base.



That's just dumb.
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Old 11-17-2012, 06:38 PM   #1080
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That's just dumb.
My logic is logic. At least I don't call viscous AWD "symmetrical AWD" assuming that means a 50:50 split like someone who writes huge long posts about cars Subaru would never consider unless they outdo Toyota.

SoA advertises symmetrical AWD not as viscous AWD for the ratios but because of the symmetry. I don't know why some people think only viscous AWD is symmetrical AWD when active AWD and VTD AWD are both symmetrical AWD too.

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Old 11-17-2012, 10:37 PM   #1081
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Because Subaru uses Symmetrical as a trade name, not just a generic description.

Yes, all of them are symmetrical (small s) by description of their geometry.

But Symmetrical (capital S) also refers to a specific variant that isn't marketed as Active, or VTD, or DCCD AWD, which are other trade names for other variants of Subaru's AWD systems.
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Old 11-17-2012, 11:50 PM   #1082
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I think that the roof rails make the car. Without them, they look naked and not as rugged :P I can't wait to pre-order a high-level trim 2.5L.
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:47 AM   #1083
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If you're a salesman, I sure that's true. If you're a customer, it is a base, period. It's the bare bones turbocharged version compared to the next trim for the XT variant. No, of course it's not the NA base that literally is nothing but bare bones but it's the "beginning" trim level for the XT.

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My logic is logic. At least I don't call viscous AWD "symmetrical AWD" assuming that means a 50:50 split like someone who writes huge long posts about cars Subaru would never consider unless they outdo Toyota.

SoA advertises symmetrical AWD not as viscous AWD for the ratios but because of the symmetry. I don't know why some people think only viscous AWD is symmetrical AWD when active AWD and VTD AWD are both symmetrical AWD too.

Yeah.....that's related....
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:18 AM   #1084
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FWIW, the roof rails on the 2012/13 Impreza are welded onto the roof, so it's possible it'll be the same for the new Forester as well. I don't think it would be easy to remove them
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:11 AM   #1085
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Ugh. Dealerships.
How can the biggest Suby dealer in the nation be clueless as to when the '14's are coming in. I visited them yesterday and from 4-5 different salesmen I heard anywhere from April-June for delivery. Is this accurate?
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:08 PM   #1086
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I think you will find that most Nasioc people are more informed than most salesmen.

There are very few Salesman/ Enthusiasts, I sell Subarus, own 3, but even then there is so much information out there and sources differ, and honestly, in my free time, I want to spend it with my wife, not researching Subarus.

A lot of salesmen have never heard of Nasioc!

And I have heard different things from different reps.


That being said, I'm thinking late March for arrival...(possibly earlier for west/east coast)
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:56 PM   #1087
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I need these to Foresters to combine to make my perfect Forester, STI wheels, lowered with that OEM ground effects kit:



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Old 11-18-2012, 02:36 PM   #1088
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Ugh. Dealerships.
How can the biggest Suby dealer in the nation be clueless as to when the '14's are coming in. I visited them yesterday and from 4-5 different salesmen I heard anywhere from April-June for delivery. Is this accurate?
No it is not. The sales manager at my dealer said late February.
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Old 11-18-2012, 02:54 PM   #1089
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Ugh. Dealerships.
How can the biggest Suby dealer in the nation be clueless as to when the '14's are coming in. I visited them yesterday and from 4-5 different salesmen I heard anywhere from April-June for delivery. Is this accurate?
Heuberger down in Colorado Springs? It's not like they're like the dealerships in WA that get the first shipments from Japan. Heuberger is just the largest volume dealer in the states. =P I think the one the website owner of cars101.com works at is Shoreline, WA which is one of the dealers to receive the first shipments from Japan.
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:31 PM   #1090
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I believe Joe works at Carter Subaru and it is located in Shoreline - Seattle, WA.
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Old 11-18-2012, 03:32 PM   #1091
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No it is not. The sales manager at my dealer said late February.

This is what I heard a while back(but things can change). That is what they did on the 09, so...
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:57 PM   #1092
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Well now that the '14 Forester is set to debut at the LA auto show, I'm curious about whats in store for the NY auto show...
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Old 11-18-2012, 07:50 PM   #1093
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Well now that the '14 Forester is set to debut at the LA auto show, I'm curious about whats in store for the NY auto show...

I don't think that we can expect much unless, we hear something at the Tokyo Motor Show in January; then if something is buzzing there we can expect to see something at NYIAS.
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:41 PM   #1094
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Well now that the '14 Forester is set to debut at the LA auto show, I'm curious about whats in store for the NY auto show...

I assume we will finally see something in regards to the Subaru hybrid they have been working on for a few years now?
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Old 11-18-2012, 08:49 PM   #1095
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1) Symmetrical AWD refers to the fact that the engine is seated in the middle of the engine bay with its weight evenly distributed over each front tire. It has nothing to do with torque distribution. If it did, only viscous would count.

2) NYIAS will either be the hybrid or MY14 WRX. My money is on the WRX, with the hybrid basically cancelled. Economy sucks, why offer a 40 mpg Impreza when the cheaper 2.0 gets 36 mpg.
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:06 PM   #1096
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1) Symmetrical AWD refers to the fact that the engine is seated in the middle of the engine bay with its weight evenly distributed over each front tire. It has nothing to do with torque distribution. If it did, only viscous would count.

2) NYIAS will either be the hybrid or MY14 WRX. My money is on the WRX, with the hybrid basically cancelled. Economy sucks, why offer a 40 mpg Impreza when the cheaper 2.0 gets 36 mpg.

LOL...that's so true.
I kinda think that they may just reveal the MY14 WRX b/c the timing would be right (meaning a 2014 car gets revealed in 2013 ex. Chevy will unveil the 2014 vette this January right before Detroit).
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Old 11-18-2012, 09:30 PM   #1097
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NYIAS will either be the hybrid or MY14 WRX. My money is on the WRX, with the hybrid basically cancelled. Economy sucks, why offer a 40 mpg Impreza when the cheaper 2.0 gets 36 mpg.
Suspect both. You must really be in the "IN" for knowing what the expected MPG's are for the upcoming Hybrid and that it will be cancelled. Subaru must be doing a terrible job at keeping a secret, like they have for the past 20 or so years....

Snow Drift knows all, think not...
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:34 PM   #1098
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1) Symmetrical AWD refers to the fact that the engine is seated in the middle of the engine bay with its weight evenly distributed over each front tire. It has nothing to do with torque distribution. If it did, only viscous would count.

2) NYIAS will either be the hybrid or MY14 WRX. My money is on the WRX, with the hybrid basically cancelled. Economy sucks, why offer a 40 mpg Impreza when the cheaper 2.0 gets 36 mpg.

All ready stated that the hybrid is set for a fall release. WAY too far into it to cancel now. And I believe it will be a good one. Not just a minor mpg increase.


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LOL...that's so true.
I kinda think that they may just reveal the MY14 WRX b/c the timing would be right (meaning a 2014 car gets revealed in 2013 ex. Chevy will unveil the 2014 vette this January right before Detroit).
And this is really being brought up again? It will not be a 14.
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:45 PM   #1099
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Suspect both. You must really be in the "IN" for knowing what the expected MPG's are for the upcoming Hybrid and that it will be cancelled. Subaru must be doing a terrible job at keeping a secret, like they have for the past 20 or so years....

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My opinion.

Most hybrids make at least 40 mpg and the Subaru system uses a 1.6T so I doubt it's much higher.
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:47 PM   #1100
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My opinion.

Most hybrids make at least 40 mpg and the Subaru system uses a 1.6T so I doubt it's much higher.

The most recent "concept". No telling what will be in the real car. The B5-TPH had a 2.0.
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