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Old 11-18-2012, 10:50 PM   #1101
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All ready stated that the hybrid is set for a fall release. WAY too far into it to cancel now. And I believe it will be a good one. Not just a minor mpg increase.

And this is really being brought up again? It will not be a 14.
We haven't seen any development besides concept cars and a mention in their 5 year plan. Unless the WRX spy shot is actually the 1.6T Hybrid I wish more info would leak. Also I'd like to be a pure hybrid like the Prius not a trim like the Camry hybrid. Even if it just looks different like the XV vs Impreza.

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The most recent "concept". No telling what will be in the real car. The B5-TPH had a 2.0.
While that is correct the B5-TPH and Hybrid Tourer had a 2.0T, I think that since they had a 1.6T on display for the Advanced Tourer (and it will be better for the gas minded economy),it will be used.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:18 PM   #1102
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;D WTB moderators to move your Impreza fantasies into another thread so that this thread about the Subaru Forester can stay clean.
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Old 11-19-2012, 03:14 AM   #1103
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FWIW, the roof rails on the 2012/13 Impreza are welded onto the roof, so it's possible it'll be the same for the new Forester as well. I don't think it would be easy to remove them
wow... where did you get your sources? http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...removing+rails
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Old 11-19-2012, 07:45 AM   #1104
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;D WTB moderators to move your Impreza fantasies into another thread so that this thread about the Subaru Forester can stay clean.
...Sorry about that, will refrain from this for sure.

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Nine days until we get our info: availability date, options/features, and possibly pricing.
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Old 11-19-2012, 08:57 AM   #1105
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wow... where did you get your sources? http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...removing+rails
Sorry about that, not welded, but still a pain in the ass to remove:

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According to the 2012 impreza service repair manual that I purchased today, all of the interior roof trim and roof liner must be removed. After removing everything, there are a total of twelve nuts (six on each side) along the lenth of the rails that need removing. Its also worth noting that you'll need to purchase two new replacement outer roof moldings.
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Old 11-19-2012, 09:40 AM   #1106
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wow... where did you get your sources? http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show...removing+rails
Ugh...sounds like removing the rails is a serious PITA. Thanks for the link, I tried a search but didn't find anything.

I'm just hoping the Forester has an option to buy with no rails on the XT. I like the cleaner look, have no need for the rails.
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Old 11-19-2012, 10:48 AM   #1107
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Ugh...sounds like removing the rails is a serious PITA. Thanks for the link, I tried a search but didn't find anything.

I'm just hoping the Forester has an option to buy with no rails on the XT. I like the cleaner look, have no need for the rails.
It's like buying a VW GTI with roof rails. The GTI has hothatch ground clearance and FWD which doesn't make sense with having roof rails most of the time since that's not really what it's intended for. The same goes for the Forester. AWD and ground clearance (stock) make roof rails a logical assumption.

Although if the 2014 Subaru Forester for the USDM come with an upper trim that doesn't have roof rails, I'm very curious to see how SOA will go about giving us what Japan and Australia always gets straight off the bat. Subaru HQ in Japan might say the USDM is their most important market but seriously, they're a Japanese car manufacturer; JDM Subarus should, normally, always get the goodies first if not too. At least one would expect it to be that way.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:12 AM   #1108
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It's like buying a VW GTI with roof rails. The GTI has hothatch ground clearance and FWD which doesn't make sense with having roof rails most of the time since that's not really what it's intended for. The same goes for the Forester. AWD and ground clearance (stock) make roof rails a logical assumption.
Rails are nice for luggage carriers, skis, bikes, and more. I do all those things without the need for any extra ground clearance. There's no need to go off-road for any of that stuff. So I'm not following your logic that FWD and hot hatch ground clearance doesn't make sense with roof rails.
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Old 11-19-2012, 11:18 AM   #1109
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...Sorry about that, will refrain from this for sure.

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Nine days until we get our info: availability date, options/features, and possibly pricing.
Details/MPG/Price will be good to have. I'm holding off on pulling the trigger on an XV until then.

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Old 11-19-2012, 11:26 AM   #1110
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Rails are nice for luggage carriers, skis, bikes, and more. I do all those things without the need for any extra ground clearance. There's no need to go off-road for any of that stuff. So I'm not following your logic that FWD and hot hatch ground clearance doesn't make sense with roof rails.
You don't follow that logic because you don't seem to understand the concept of "most of the time" which was clearly stated in my previous post.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:03 PM   #1111
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You don't follow that logic because you don't seem to understand the concept of "most of the time" which was clearly stated in my previous post.
No need to be insulting. I think I have an ok grip on the concept of "most of the time". But in my experience, I've never needed ground clearance, but often used rails. Where I live at least, that's standard.
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Old 11-19-2012, 12:52 PM   #1112
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A W is simply referring to the car buyer segments that packages are catered to. People who want a hot hatch want a simple, lightweight, sporty-looking car. People who want a compact SUV want to look outdoorsy and have a roofrack to suit their active lifestyle image.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:41 PM   #1113
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Details/MPG/Price will be good to have. I'm holding off on pulling the trigger on an XV until then.

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I was the same way. Was considering the XV until details on the new Forester came out. XV not even on my radar any more.
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Old 11-19-2012, 01:44 PM   #1114
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I was the same way. Was considering the XV until details on the new Forester came out. XV not even on my radar any more.
Personally i'd get the forester. Forester is supposed to be cheaper than the XV, looks better and have more room.

The only place it will ding you is in MPG. But considering it has a more power with the 2.5 engine, it's a tradeoff.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:20 PM   #1115
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No need to be insulting. I think I have an ok grip on the concept of "most of the time". But in my experience, I've never needed ground clearance, but often used rails. Where I live at least, that's standard.
What you need isn't reflected in the car market and what car manufacturers as a whole stereotype consumers to be. Just because you don't need the ground clearance doesn't mean you wouldn't use it if it was there.

That's the point of buying a crossover or, at least, the point accepted and stereotyped by car manufacturers. Car-like handling but with the utility of an SUV. People don't want the consequences of an SUV but they don't want to have to deal with the shortcomings of a full sized sedan.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:22 PM   #1116
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Rails are nice for luggage carriers, skis, bikes, and more. I do all those things without the need for any extra ground clearance. There's no need to go off-road for any of that stuff. So I'm not following your logic that FWD and hot hatch ground clearance doesn't make sense with roof rails.
I know some people like roof rails, I just don't see the point in them. There's no way I'm lifting a bike and putting it on my car roof. The chance that you'll scratch something goes up exponentially when you need to put things on the roof. Also, a lot of people forget the bikes are up there, I saw an SUV rip the bikes off the top at a McDonalds drive through, one of my good friends left bikes on top of their Audi A6 and ripped them off driving into the garage.

If you can put a hitch on the back, get a carrier there in my opinion.

Also, I want to lower my XT and make it more of a performance CUV, which the Forester is well suited for. Removing the roof rails helps complete the look.

To each his own right? I just hope SOA gives us the option.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:28 PM   #1117
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I know some people like roof rails, I just don't see the point in them. There's no way I'm lifting a bike and putting it on my car roof. The chance that you'll scratch something goes up exponentially when you need to put things on the roof. Also, a lot of people forget the bikes are up there, I saw an SUV rip the bikes off the top at a McDonalds drive through, one of my good friends left bikes on top of their Audi A6 and ripped them off driving into the garage.

If you can put a hitch on the back, get a carrier there in my opinion.

Also, I want to lower my XT and make it more of a performance CUV, which the Forester is well suited for. Removing the roof rails helps complete the look.

To each his own right? I just hope SOA gives us the option.
I use my roof rails all the time. We have a roof basket for our Rav 4 and having a baby and a dog, we use it anytime we go on a trip. It's the only place we can put our luggage and we carry our bikes on the back at the same time.

Also, i've used it for large furniture boxes that won't fit inside the vehicle. I simply lay the box flat on the rails and ratchet strap it in place.

I have a feeling you don't own a house yet or have a family. The roof rack becomes essential.

Also, try doing winter sports of kayaking without a roof rack.
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To each his own right? I just hope SOA gives us the option.
If they don't it's not like someone else won't be able to find a way to complete the delete with modifications to make it look stock up top.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:31 PM   #1119
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Also, try doing winter sports of kayaking without a roof rack.
People with enough money don't need to cart around that kind of equipment when it's already at their winter and summer houses. That doesn't mean that people with that kind of money wouldn't buy a Subaru. It just means that they prioritize money differently.
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Personally i'd get the forester. Forester is supposed to be cheaper than the XV, looks better and have more room.

The only place it will ding you is in MPG. But considering it has a more power with the 2.5 engine, it's a tradeoff.
Forester Premium vs XV Premium, the XV will be cheaper. Also, mpg won't be that big of a difference maybe 1-2 mpg.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:37 PM   #1121
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People with enough money don't need to cart around that kind of equipment when it's already at their winter and summer houses. That doesn't mean that people with that kind of money wouldn't buy a Subaru. It just means that they prioritize money differently.
Huh? People with that kind of money to have a separate winter home can afford another car to go with that home, in particular a big SUV. You can't design a vehicle based on the 1% either. You have to design it around the 99%.

Who says only rich people kayake? I know plenty of people that kayake, they're only like $200 for a slightly used one. Same goes for snowboarding.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:39 PM   #1122
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Forester Premium vs XV Premium, the XV will be cheaper. Also, mpg won't be that big of a difference maybe 1-2 mpg.
Yea, but the forester base model will start cheaper.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:43 PM   #1123
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Huh? People with that kind of money to have a separate winter home can afford another car to go with that home, in particular a big SUV.
And? That doesn't mean they wouldn't buy a Subaru Forester. Like I already said, people prioritize money differently and just because they have the money to support a winter or summer house in that kind of area doesn't mean they'd necessarily go with Audi or BMW right off the bat. Some people are diehard Subaru fans, some have the income to dispense but take the top trim Subaru's anyways because of the reliability. I can go on with the list but it's ignorant to assume with that kind of income people are only going to make larger purchases that stereotypes incorrectly target.

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You can't design a vehicle based on the 1% either. You have to design it around the 99%.
What? LOL, obviously you haven't seen the Baja. Oh, you're completely wrong. Have you not seen what Porsche, Lamborghini, or Tesla have been doing for the past, I don't know, years they've been in the world?

1% is a lot when you look at the world. You CAN and car manufacturers already DO design vehicles based on 1% of the population.

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No one did besides your assumptions.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:48 PM   #1124
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Yea, but the forester base model will start cheaper.
That is apples vs oranges. You have to compare similarly equiped vehicles.
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Old 11-19-2012, 02:56 PM   #1125
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What? LOL, obviously you haven't seen the Baja. Oh, you're completely wrong. Have you not seen what Porsche, Lamborghini, or Tesla have been doing for the past, I don't know, years they've been in the world?

1% is a lot when you look at the world. You CAN and car manufacturers already DO design vehicles based on 1% of the population.
I know what you mean however Subaru is a mainstream auto manufacturer and not a niche supercar maker. I guess Subaru is a niche in that it offers AWD, however pricing/models point that it isn't really going after the 1%. Well maybe STI would count?
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