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Old 11-28-2012, 10:14 PM   #1276
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Check out the PDF links a few posts up. They've got all the features broken out pretty thoroughly... I'd say you're out of luck for memory seats. You'll have to get a Touring trim with the Driver Assist Technology Package to get Eyesight & keyless start. Touring does come standard with signal mirrors.
Just checked it out, thanks. I guess I was hoping for some sort of SAP to be announced when it got closer to being released. Isn't it the 15 year anniversary of the Forester or something like that? You would think they would do something special for it. Still I can live without memory seats and the SAP leather.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:17 PM   #1277
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I'm sold. Eyesight, with keyless start and the multi-function display is what I've been waiting for on a new Subaru. I almost picked up the new Outback, but decided to wait to see what this would offer. After the reveal in Japan, I thought for sure we would get a watered down version. My only complaint is I haven't seen any mention of memory seats, but it's still early. The turn signals on the side mirrors would be nice too, but I'm still very pleased with this 2014 so far.
Turn signals on the side mirrors will be there for Touring trims as they are for the MY2013.

The PDF says:

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• Touch-screen navigation system (see
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• Dual-zone automatic climate control
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• Exterior mirrors with integrated turn signals
It looks like they're keeping the trim level labels the same from the previous year. As usual, the Subaru Forester doesn't get two-memory setting seats. That seems to be reserved for the Outback.

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Old 11-28-2012, 10:27 PM   #1278
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We have 93 in N.E. Iowa, mostly 92, but a few stations sell 93.

So far, I'm happy with what I see and I'll be ordering an XT.
Spoiled. I'm so jealous.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:32 PM   #1279
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Yeah, wow... anyone know why it ways so much more than the 2.5i?

And hey, spec PDF says manual available on the XT... is that right?
No. The table layout has some of the "Manual" info spanning both columns, but the text says specifically that the CVT is standard.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:36 PM   #1280
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Touring XT with Driver Assist Technology package will be probably priced at 32,745+Dest.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:38 PM   #1281
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Why are the videos live stream only? Why can't I rewind/fast forward!?
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:40 PM   #1282
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No. The table layout has some of the "Manual" info spanning both columns, but the text says specifically that the CVT is standard.
Yeah, looking closer, I see that. It's funny, they list a specific curb weight for a manual XT though. I wonder if it was axed late in the game.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:41 PM   #1283
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As usual, the Subaru Forester doesn't get two-memory setting seats. That seems to be reserved for the Outback.
Or maybe the MY2015 Forester (they need to keep something in reserve to distinguish newer models). Other than the position memory driver's seat, Subaru has included just about EVERY other desirable available amenity as an option. The only other things I've seen on Subarus that aren't available with the US Forester are:
electric-folding side rearview mirrors
parallel parking assist camera
rear seat entertainment
headlamp washers

Subaru has really improved the content on this US Forester. I'm very surprised they'd do this on the first model year of a full model change.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:43 PM   #1284
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Ahhhhhhh, why is it still live stream? I'm missing so many questions. =\ I can't live stream it all the time since I have constant interruptions at work. I'm hoping they make a list public or actually upload the stream to a video so that we can go back and watch the entire thing.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:43 PM   #1285
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No. The table layout has some of the "Manual" info spanning both columns, but the text says specifically that the CVT is standard.
I was thinking the same thing, but then I noticed the chart has a weight for both the 6 speed manual and the CVT under 2.0XT column. Still, this question came up on the Q&A and they specifically said the 6 speed will not be an option.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:48 PM   #1286
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Or maybe the MY2015 Forester (they need to keep something in reserve to distinguish newer models). Other than the position memory driver's seat, Subaru has included just about EVERY other desirable available amenity as an option. The only other things I've seen on Subarus that aren't available with the US Forester are:
electric-folding side rearview mirrors
parallel parking assist camera
rear seat entertainment
headlamp washers

Subaru has really improved the content on this US Forester. I'm very surprised they'd do this on the first model year of a full model change.
Don't forget rain sensing windshield wipers, but seriously, I'm with you on this one. I'm pleasantly surprised and it just so happens I'm in the market for a new car. I'm one happy camper.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:50 PM   #1287
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Doll said it would arrive "early spring" which is code for March.
Q&A said orders by Feb, and in dealer lots by March, but most likely late Feb.

Also, the spec sheet says XT preferred fuel is 91 (not 93). So, maybe its 250hp with 91, but the car CAN run on 87 if you have to (why would you do that!?). So you 91 oct gains can relax.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:04 PM   #1288
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Q&A said orders by Feb, and in dealer lots by March, but most likely late Feb.

Also, the spec sheet says XT preferred fuel is 91 (not 93). So, maybe its 250hp with 91, but the car CAN run on 87 if you have to (why would you do that!?). So you 91 oct gains can relax.
Not according to the PDF they gave.

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Horsepower 170 @ 5,800 rpm | 250 @ 5,600 rpm*

* With 93 AKI premium fuel
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:06 PM   #1289
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I wonder since its still using a TMIC if there would ever be an option for a hood scoop..
No I don't think Subaru will. Aftermarket will.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:06 PM   #1290
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Not according to the PDF they gave.



;D NINETY THREE
ooo, now I see it. Nevermind, everyone on the left-coast, time to move. We have 93 in the Northeast.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:07 PM   #1291
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Q&A said orders by Feb, and in dealer lots by March, but most likely late Feb.

Also, the spec sheet says XT preferred fuel is 91 (not 93). So, maybe its 250hp with 91, but the car CAN run on 87 if you have to (why would you do that!?). So you 91 oct gains can relax.
No. The spec sheets says "250 @ 5,600 rpm*" and if you scroll down to the end you'll find: "* With 93 AKI premium fuel"
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:08 PM   #1292
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No I don't think Subaru will. Aftermarket will.
I think if they were smart they would offer an SPT hood with a scoop. People buy lip kits, sport grills, etc, they would buy the new hood. I know I would.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:08 PM   #1293
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No. The spec sheets says "250 @ 5,600 rpm*" and if you scroll down to the end you'll find: "* With 93 AKI premium fuel"
Yes, I see it. Luckily I have 93 here.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:14 PM   #1294
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Yes, I see it. Luckily I have 93 here.
The spec sheet actually says the fuel requirement for the XT is "Premium: 91 AKI min." I wonder why Infante insists that 87 is OK. Either it's ALWAYS been OK to use regular with Subaru turbo engines or else Subaru has made a significant change in how it does knock detection.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:20 PM   #1295
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Don't forget rain sensing windshield wipers, but seriously, I'm with you on this one. I'm pleasantly surprised and it just so happens I'm in the market for a new car. I'm one happy camper.
To add to the list:

HUD with at least the current speed limit and actual traveling speed
Heated AND cooled driver and front passenger seats
Heated rear seats (Kia does this but I'm surprised Subaru doesn't yet.)
Heated and cooled steering wheel
Rear air vents with rear passenger control (that blows cold and hot air, not like the Tribeca or Outback.)
Live trajectory lines showing actual vehicle travel path depending on how much the steering wheel is turned when using the back-up camera.

And...

OEM remote engine start with a longer range and a 2-way remote kind of like the Viper systems (but of course watered down is fine as long as it's 2-way).

I think I'd be pretty much set with all of that too. The Toyota RAV4 has some new tech features and Nissan still has their all-around view camera feature but for the most part I'd be extremely happy with these additions above. Anything else is something that was already icing on the cake.

That's my Christmas list of course, lol.

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Old 11-28-2012, 11:21 PM   #1296
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Yeah, looking closer, I see that. It's funny, they list a specific curb weight for a manual XT though. I wonder if it was axed late in the game.
I missed that.

Or maybe that they spec'd it out and are keeping it in the backpocket in case there turns out to be demand. (Wishful thinking, I know, given that it's not available anywhere else either.)
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:31 PM   #1297
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I missed that.

Or maybe that they spec'd it out and are keeping it in the backpocket in case there turns out to be demand. (Wishful thinking, I know, given that it's not available anywhere else either.)
There is demand. Look at the resale on used manual XTs. That is if you can find one. They are like a white unicorn.

All of the guys that had a WRX/STI and now have a family with kids could be a market. Sure some will be happy with a CVT. But there are some that would like a 6MT. Question is how big. For now SOA says not big enough.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:46 PM   #1298
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I missed that.

Or maybe that they spec'd it out and are keeping it in the backpocket in case there turns out to be demand. (Wishful thinking, I know, given that it's not available anywhere else either.)
There isn't enough demand for Subaru to justify offering a manual XT anymore. ;D Q&A live session answered that clearly and that is that for SoA.


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Old 11-29-2012, 12:58 AM   #1299
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Thanks for this info. Odd that Subaru would claim that the U.S. version of the XT has 250hp when their specifications PDF states that 93 octane AKI is required for this. They know that only 91 octane AKI is available throughout most of this country and that means less than 250hp.
Yeah. Been on several trips from home in TN, to VA, FL, IL, MO, KY, AR, CO, TX, NJ and have yet to not find 93.

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Or maybe the MY2015 Forester (they need to keep something in reserve to distinguish newer models). Other than the position memory driver's seat, Subaru has included just about EVERY other desirable available amenity as an option. The only other things I've seen on Subarus that aren't available with the US Forester are:
electric-folding side rearview mirrors (no need in the US like in Japan)
parallel parking assist camera (probably too expensive right now)
rear seat entertainment (again, too expensive)
headlamp washers (not a requirement here)

Subaru has really improved the content on this US Forester. I'm very surprised they'd do this on the first model year of a full model change.
And doubt we'll see memory seats on a Forester for a LONG time.

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The spec sheet actually says the fuel requirement for the XT is "Premium: 91 AKI min." I wonder why Infante insists that 87 is OK. Either it's ALWAYS been OK to use regular with Subaru turbo engines or else Subaru has made a significant change in how it does knock detection.
Has not always been OK. I have seen what happens to a Subaru turbo running regular for a long period of time. They just had to develop this one to be capable to compete with the competition.

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To add to the list:

HUD with at least the current speed limit and actual traveling speed
Heated AND cooled driver and front passenger seats
Heated rear seats (Kia does this but I'm surprised Subaru doesn't yet.)
Heated and cooled steering wheel
Rear air vents with rear passenger control (that blows cold and hot air, not like the Tribeca or Outback.)
Live trajectory lines showing actual vehicle travel path depending on how much the steering wheel is turned when using the back-up camera.

And...

OEM remote engine start with a longer range and a 2-way remote kind of like the Viper systems (but of course watered down is fine as long as it's 2-way).

I think I'd be pretty much set with all of that too. The Toyota RAV4 has some new tech features and Nissan still has their all-around view camera feature but for the most part I'd be extremely happy with these additions above. Anything else is something that was already icing on the cake.

That's my Christmas list of course, lol.
HUD is a good Christmas wish that will stay that way.
Heated rear seats would be nice but would add cost.
Heated and cooled steering wheel would be nice, though I could care less about heated.
Rear vents would have been nice, but after seeing how long it took them to get them on the Legacy/Outback(limited only at that), I am not holding out hope any time soon.
Ooooohhh. I like the idea of trajectory lines. Maybe?
The remote engine starter is likely to be the same as the Outback/Legacy/Impreza/Crosstrek being 2 way with the improved distance.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:10 AM   #1300
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Any word if the Touring trims still include HIDs? This is a big deal to me.
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