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Old 11-29-2012, 02:17 AM   #1301
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HUD is a good Christmas wish that will stay that way.
Heated rear seats would be nice but would add cost.
Heated and cooled steering wheel would be nice, though I could care less about heated.
Rear vents would have been nice, but after seeing how long it took them to get them on the Legacy/Outback(limited only at that), I am not holding out hope any time soon.
Ooooohhh. I like the idea of trajectory lines. Maybe?
The remote engine starter is likely to be the same as the Outback/Legacy/Impreza/Crosstrek being 2 way with the improved distance.
;< Don't shoot down my dreams. HUD is a good safety bit they can add to being "safe" and about love. I know all of those would add to the cost but that's what everyone says when I said I wanted a power rear lift gate. I'm more sensitive to the cold so the vinyl steering wheel on my current Forester is just as cold as the rest of the plastics in the interior. I'll have to see how it is on the Touring EyeSight model I plan to trade up to though.

I'm holding out on the rear vents just maybe not this year or next year. As far as the trajectory lines, most luxury car manufacturers have rear view cameras with such but I know some non-luxury car manufacturers have that now. Nissan comes to mind. I can't remember if Toyota or Ford does that too but I doubt it.

Edit: Yeah just checked; not surprised Ford has trajectory lines since technology and infotainment is one of their points they push in their vehicles.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:19 AM   #1302
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Any word if the Touring trims still include HIDs? This is a big deal to me.
Yes, Touring trims still has HID's so that even your Forester will blind people like your BMW does.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:47 AM   #1303
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Tow rating of 1500 max lbs for XT just sunk this thing...for me, anyways. And it's not just the CVT holding it back. All trims are rated the same. Why, Subaru? 2013 XT has a rating of 2400 max. Huge difference! It's clearly a mid-cycle refresh, so where did 900 lbs go from its capabilities?

XV is the pointless soft-roader, THIS should not be anywhere near that concept. Hell, a '13 2.5i 6-speed OR CVT Outback has a 2700 lb max limit.

/pointedrant
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:28 AM   #1304
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Here's a shot of the cutaway DIT engine display at the Subaru stand in LA where a small electric motor slowly rotates the crankshaft from behind so that you can see how all the parts move together.
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Old 11-29-2012, 07:54 AM   #1305
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Remote start would be a very worthwhile option for folks in snow towns like myself. My 06 WRX wont allow the doors to be locked by keyfob with the engine running, with the engine running, the key isnt available to lock the door. I work nights, I start my car to defrost my windows to drive home, we get tons of snow.
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:00 AM   #1306
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Love this update....maybe pick up the XT in 2015!
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Old 11-29-2012, 09:56 AM   #1307
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Yes, Touring trims still has HID's so that even your Forester will blind people like your BMW does.
YES. Nothing beats dealing out a good blinding.

It's a shame it's not projector-based, but I won't complain.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:29 AM   #1308
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YES. Nothing beats dealing out a good blinding.

It's a shame it's not projector-based, but I won't complain.
So glad they still allow HID for the Forester XT, even my 2010 LGT didn't have the option for HIDs, so stupid.

I read through the PDFs, the rear legroom is amazing on the Forester. To compare:

Audi A4 Avant (discontinued, looking at used) - 35.2
VW Tiguan - 35.8
VW Touareg - 36.9
Audi Q5 3.0 - 37.4
Subaru Outback/Legacy - 37.8
Jeep Grand Cherokee - 38.6
Ford Explorer - 39.8
Mazda CX9 - 39.8
Chevy Equinox - 39.9
Toyota Sequoia - 40.9
2014 Forester - 41.7
Nissan Armada 41.9
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Unbelievable how much rear legroom the Forester has. Definitely a big factor when hauling kids and adults.
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Old 11-29-2012, 10:42 AM   #1309
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Tow rating of 1500 max lbs for XT just sunk this thing...for me, anyways. And it's not just the CVT holding it back. All trims are rated the same. Why, Subaru? 2013 XT has a rating of 2400 max. Huge difference! It's clearly a mid-cycle refresh, so where did 900 lbs go from its capabilities?

XV is the pointless soft-roader, THIS should not be anywhere near that concept. Hell, a '13 2.5i 6-speed OR CVT Outback has a 2700 lb max limit.

/pointedrant
Yea that low towing capacity does kill it for me too. I was toying with the idea of replacing my 07 Outlander which has a towing cap of 3500. I guess ill keep the outy and my next Subaru will hopefully be the new WRX.
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Old 11-29-2012, 11:32 AM   #1310
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So glad they still allow HID for the Forester XT, even my 2010 LGT didn't have the option for HIDs, so stupid.

I read through the PDFs, the rear legroom is amazing on the Forester. To compare:

Audi A4 Avant (discontinued, looking at used) - 35.2
VW Tiguan - 35.8
VW Touareg - 36.9
Audi Q5 3.0 - 37.4
Subaru Outback/Legacy - 37.8
Jeep Grand Cherokee - 38.6
Ford Explorer - 39.8
Mazda CX9 - 39.8
Chevy Equinox - 39.9
Toyota Sequoia - 40.9
2014 Forester - 41.7
Nissan Armada 41.9
Ford Flex 44.3


Unbelievable how much rear legroom the Forester has. Definitely a big factor when hauling kids and adults.
That's one thing that's nice about the new Impreza as well. I'm able to take my whole fam in my car and they're all pretty comfortable in the back. It will be even more so in the new Forester
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:17 PM   #1311
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XT Curb weight 3622 lbs
That's not bad for an AWD SUV.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:27 PM   #1312
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Going from the 2.5i to the 2.0XT, still with a manual transmission, adds 328lbs. Yikes! Where is that weight going? I see marginally larger rotors and wheels (and of course the turbo and plumbing), but not 328lbs worth.

Comparing CVT models, the difference is 256lbs, still quite a bit. Interestingly, the high-torque CVT model weighs 2lbs less than the manual-equipped XT. That rarely happens.

Unlike the Impreza, the Forester gained weight over the outgoing model, especially in XT trim.
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:31 PM   #1313
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We have 93 in N.E. Iowa, mostly 92, but a few stations sell 93.

So far, I'm happy with what I see and I'll be ordering an XT.
I'd also add that across I-80 to I-35 (Des Moines to Davenport) that 93 is readily available and also along 34 even from Indianola to Ottumwa/Mt. Pleasant.

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93 is also hard to get in Iowa and Wisconsin, but it's readily available in MN and IL...go figure

I traveled multiple times through the Des Moines area with my FXT. I stopped at quite a few stations in West Des Moines (Shell or BP) and off of I-80 just east of Des Moines that sold 93. Search a bit online to look for high octane stations. I found many of them just by stopping at those that are bustling or in heavy traffic areas. Iowa is very intertwined with ethanol (as are MN & IL) which generally correlates with 93 octane. I do like the e85 blending pumps throughout Minnesota!
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Old 11-29-2012, 01:49 PM   #1314
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Hood scoop delete:

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Old 11-29-2012, 02:30 PM   #1315
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Yes. We know... like weeks ago already.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:45 PM   #1316
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Interestingly, the high-torque CVT model weighs 2lbs less than the manual-equipped XT.
We noticed that weight listing in the specifications PDF yesterday, but there is no manual-equipped 2014 XT for sale in any market. That's the only place in the PDF that mentions manual XT, every other mention shows only CVT available, which matches what Subaru has said. Listing that manual weight was apparently a mistake, but we don't know if it is an accurate mistake or not. I wonder if the number is from Subaru's heavy-duty 6-spd manual rather than the standard one.
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Old 11-29-2012, 02:52 PM   #1317
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...even though there's no manual transmission on the XT, this might be my next people mover/family car...hopefully it doesn't disappoint
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:05 PM   #1318
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Yes. We know... like weeks ago already.
One was asking about a hood scoop so I re-posted. You should know that people generally don't go back more than one page on a thread.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:06 PM   #1319
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Going from the 2.5i to the 2.0XT, still with a manual transmission, adds 328lbs. Yikes! Where is that weight going? I see marginally larger rotors and wheels (and of course the turbo and plumbing), but not 328lbs worth.

Comparing CVT models, the difference is 256lbs, still quite a bit. Interestingly, the high-torque CVT model weighs 2lbs less than the manual-equipped XT. That rarely happens.

Unlike the Impreza, the Forester gained weight over the outgoing model, especially in XT trim.
I'm guessing it is in the accessories. You add a lot more going to the XT.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:26 PM   #1320
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XT Curb weight 3622 lbs
That's not bad for an AWD SUV.
Sure it's average for other AWD small SUVs, but it's 200 lbs heavier than the outgoing auto XT premium and same weight as the bigger 3.6R Outback limited. With the trend being towards fuel economy weight savings as new models come out nowadays I'm especially unamused.

Also unamused about the rated towing capacity. I'm interested to see what the European market Foresters are rated at with their less strict regulations/lawsuits. That will show what it's actually capable of. My 04 Forester XT was rated at 2400 lbs in the US and 4400 lbs in Europe.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:34 PM   #1321
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Any word if the Touring trims still include HIDs? This is a big deal to me.
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So glad they still allow HID for the Forester XT, even my 2010 LGT didn't have the option for HIDs, so stupid.
Hey all, just to be clear, according to the "At A Glance" specs from the Subaru Media site, HID's are optional and only available in the Driver Assist Technology Package (package with EyeSight and keyless start). This is only available in the Touring trim. It is no longer standard in the Touring.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:36 PM   #1322
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One was asking about a hood scoop so I re-posted. You should know that people generally don't go back more than one page on a thread.
Laziness at its finest. ALLL of these pages with some of us committed since Day 1, yet people don't want to go back less than 10 pages (assuming you do 50 posts per page like I do)? For shame.

I still scroll back several pages to share the site that has 180 hi-res pics of the JDM Forester. At LEAST quote the person you're responding to, otherwise it looks like you're informing the entire thread of information they're already aware of. It's just proper etiquette.
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Old 11-29-2012, 03:41 PM   #1323
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Sure it's average for other AWD small SUVs, but it's 200 lbs heavier than the outgoing auto XT premium and same weight as the bigger 3.6R Outback limited. With the trend being towards fuel economy weight savings as new models come out nowadays I'm especially unamused.

Also unamused about the rated towing capacity. I'm interested to see what the European market Foresters are rated at with their less strict regulations/lawsuits. That will show what it's actually capable of. My 04 Forester XT was rated at 2400 lbs in the US and 4400 lbs in Europe.
Well, we've seen with the nearly identical Impreza and Crosstrek that the Impreza is not rated to tow at all and the Crosstrek is rated to tow 1500 lbs, IIRC.

One would think this is just marketing to try to get those that want to tow into a more expensive Crosstrek, but in reality, Subaru has placed a more robust cooling system in the Crosstrek and reinforced the body.

So don't dismiss that the lower tow rating for the U.S. could be due to regional content differences to save money in the U.S. market. Cars sell in Europe for a lot more but also have more content.

Methinks that if SOA says don't tow more than 1500 pounds with the new Forester, you shouldn't tow more than 1500 pounds.
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:23 PM   #1324
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I'd also add that across I-80 to I-35 (Des Moines to Davenport) that 93 is readily available and also along 34 even from Indianola to Ottumwa/Mt. Pleasant.

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93 is also hard to get in Iowa and Wisconsin, but it's readily available in MN and IL...go figure

I traveled multiple times through the Des Moines area with my FXT. I stopped at quite a few stations in West Des Moines (Shell or BP) and off of I-80 just east of Des Moines that sold 93. Search a bit online to look for high octane stations. I found many of them just by stopping at those that are bustling or in heavy traffic areas. Iowa is very intertwined with ethanol (as are MN & IL) which generally correlates with 93 octane. I do like the e85 blending pumps throughout Minnesota!
I live in the Des Moines area and work in Downtown Des Moines and would have to travel 30 mins out of my way if I wanted to get 93. However, there are three station within 3 miles of my house that carry E-85. I shouldn't have made the generalization for all of Iowa because it available here and there across the state.


On a different note, anyone know if the LEDs in the front bumper vents are going to be included on the XT or at least available as an option?
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Old 11-29-2012, 04:33 PM   #1325
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Well, we've seen with the nearly identical Impreza and Crosstrek that the Impreza is not rated to tow at all and the Crosstrek is rated to tow 1500 lbs, IIRC.

One would think this is just marketing to try to get those that want to tow into a more expensive Crosstrek, but in reality, Subaru has placed a more robust cooling system in the Crosstrek and reinforced the body.

So don't dismiss that the lower tow rating for the U.S. could be due to regional content differences to save money in the U.S. market. Cars sell in Europe for a lot more but also have more content.

Methinks that if SOA says don't tow more than 1500 pounds with the new Forester, you shouldn't tow more than 1500 pounds.
Thankfully the aftermarket makes 2000 lb trailer hitches for the "unrated" 2012 Impreza. There is nothing cosmic about towing a little bit of weight, the car isn't going to fall apart over 2000 lbs. The bigger brakes and cooling system on the XV would be nice, but just take it a little easier on the Impreza and watch the temps if you're towing through the mountains in the summer and you'll be fine.

My 04 XT was rated for 2400 lbs from SOA, I have an aftermarket hitch on it rated for 3500 lbs. I towed a 3000 lb unbraked boat/trailer with it first from Florida to Texas and then from Texas to NC in the middle of the summer. It did great, and at 160,000 miles it's still going strong(still on the original clutch even).

So yeah, believe the lawyers at SOA about the tow ratings if you want, I'll keep on using my XT to it's full potential.
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