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Old 12-10-2012, 05:31 PM   #1526
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I was informed today that the question about cooling capacities for the Impreza and Crosstrek has gone up the line and I should hear something back in a day or so.
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Old 12-10-2012, 10:51 PM   #1527
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Drove a '13 for the first time tonight. I enjoyed it for what it is, and don't necessarily mind the trans, but it's puzzling that the premium doesn't come with the all weather package.

Was told that I'll be able to order a '14 at or below invoice when the system opens. Not sure how I'd feel about a first year model though (done it with the Hyundai with only minor things though.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:20 PM   #1528
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Drove a '13 for the first time tonight. I enjoyed it for what it is, and don't necessarily mind the trans, but it's puzzling that the premium doesn't come with the all weather package.

Was told that I'll be able to order a '14 at or below invoice when the system opens. Not sure how I'd feel about a first year model though (done it with the Hyundai with only minor things though.

The 2013 Forester Premium can be had without AWP. With AWP; and with the new for 13 AWP Plus package(HD radio, fogs added).

Manual Premiums cannot be had without AWP.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:31 PM   #1529
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The 2013 Forester Premium can be had without AWP. With AWP; and with the new for 13 AWP Plus package(HD radio, fogs added).

Manual Premiums cannot be had without AWP.
XT included? It would make sense, but none of the ones at dealer were. Weird.
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Old 12-10-2012, 11:51 PM   #1530
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XT included? It would make sense, but none of the ones at dealer were. Weird.

Looks like its not available on XT premium, but I also haven't seen one in quite a while.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:23 AM   #1531
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Looks like its not available on XT premium, but I also haven't seen one in quite a while.
XT Touring/Limited has been required for AWP since MY2009. I have an XT Premium because I knew I'd be trading up with the remodel so I bought the less expensive turbocharged AWD CUV for the time being. This is the first year they offer AWP as optional on the XT Premium trim.
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Old 12-11-2012, 04:41 AM   #1532
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I would add that towing values for Europe and Australia often assume "braked trailer". That is the conclusion I had when reading material on before the purchases of my mom's 2003 Forester and my 2004 Impreza. That detail *may* still hold true 10 years later.

<correction to the year models>
That's still true. Usually limit is about 750kg for trailer without brakes and vehicle specific limit for trailer with brakes:

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XV CVT 1200kg, 5MT 1500kg and 6MT 1600kg
Current Forester 5MT/6MT 2000kg and 4-EAT 1500kg
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:46 AM   #1533
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A quick check for what goes in to cooling a vehicle for towing on the internet reveals it isn't the radiator or engine you have to worry about, but the transmission. There could be a transmission cooler and even a rear transaxle cooler added to the European cars or even our XV to help increase towing capacity. When SOA refers to upping the cooling system of the XV, it could mean the transmission. The rear axle ratios for a capable towing vehicle would more than likely be different too. Brakes more than likely are better too. Because I'm no mechanic, I couldn't tell you if you would have to change out the radiator to add a transmission cooler, but it shouldn't be assumed the vehicles are the same because one part, in this case the radiator, is the same.

Interestingly enough this seems to be an issue across all manufactures selling cars in the U.S., which further makes one wonder if there isn't another regional reason for keeping the numbers lower. That, and as noted above, when European towing numbers are being thrown around they are often what the vehicle is rated for with a trailer equipped with power brakes. I also read somewhere that the way the hitch is attached to the vehicle in Europe is different from the U.S. and adds to the stability of the ride.

I just think there's much more to this than just looking at the size of the radiator.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:44 AM   #1534
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Turbo XT Models:
  • ALL have BLACK INTERIORS ONLY
  • XT's are NOT AVAILABLE in Jasmine Green or Burnished Bronze


Thanks for the info. I've been waiting to be able to get swp with a the black interior. That would be my first choice, but sounds like only available with the XT. Only siliver and black have the black interior on the 2.5i, that seems pretty limiting for those of us who want black interior.
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:28 AM   #1535
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Automatics have a transmission cooler already. They are critical. Of course they can be upgraded, and it is quite common and not difficult to do on an auto that will be driven harder than normal.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:12 PM   #1536
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I'm sure this has been posted somewhere in this thread but it's becoming difficult to find things.

Here's a link to the 2014 Forester XT Accessory Installation Guides.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:24 PM   #1537
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I'm sure this has been posted somewhere in this thread but it's becoming difficult to find things.

Here's a link to the 2014 Forester XT Accessory Installation Guides.
That front underspoiler looks good!

I don't see the LEDs in the front bumper listed as an option so hopefully they are just included on all XTs.
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Old 12-11-2012, 02:25 PM   #1538
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I miss my 2009 Forester XT so much.

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Turbo XT Models:
  • ALL have BLACK INTERIORS ONLY
  • XT's are NOT AVAILABLE in Jasmine Green or Burnished Bronze

Cheers,
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About damn time!!!!! I wanted a blue Forester, but it only came with a platinum gray interior. I wear jeans all the time, and after a few months, that leather would probably look like the exterior paint.

This was my old 2009 Forester XT Limited, which I really miss:




This is my current car:




The new car is fast, comfortable, and all, but I don't trust it like the Subaru in foul weather, the whole car is a giant blind shop, and I miss the Subaru. Although, I definitely do NOT miss the audio system in the 2009 Subaru Forester XT. That was horrible. Thank goodness Subaru is putting the Harmon Kardon system in the 2014.
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Old 12-11-2012, 03:49 PM   #1539
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Hi all,

I'm from Philadelphia, but had a business trip to San Jose and drove 6 hours down to LA to go to the auto show and see the Forester! I know, I'm nuts. :crazy: Well, I have a good friend that lives in LA, so I drove in for that, too.

Anyway, I spent an extensive amount of time scrutinizing the new Forester, both the 2.5i and XT. If anyone has any specific questions for someone that has seen and touched it, feel free to ask away and I will try to answer.
Can you comment on the interior space compared to your Outback, including front/rear/cargo?

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Old 12-11-2012, 03:52 PM   #1540
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Can you comment on the interior space compared to your Outback, including front/rear/cargo?

Thanks,
Rob

I'm interested in this also since the specs show total cargo space to be more than a Tribeca.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:08 PM   #1541
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I'm interested in this also since the specs show total cargo space to be more than a Tribeca.
Front and rear seats felt very comparable to the Outback. The Forester seating position is slightly higher and the rear seat is huge. I felt right at home in it.

They've carved out enough space width-wide that the Forester seats 3-across more comfortably, but I found the fold-down armrest to be a little stiff and intrusive in the back, so despite the lower center tunnel hump, the middle seat is best left for a kid or a short trip.

Despite being about 8" shorter than the Outback, I measured the trunk depth only about 3" shallower, IIRC. Not sure how they made up the space, but the Forester's trunk is very spacious. Due to the higher roof, you can fit taller stuff in the Forester.

In fact, the interior room in the Forester is so comparable to the Outback, I feel that they will cannibalize off of each other.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:40 PM   #1542
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In fact, the interior room in the Forester is so comparable to the Outback, I feel that they will cannibalize off of each other.
Price difference will help. But, my money is on a 7 seater Outback replacing the Tribeca...
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:18 PM   #1543
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not sure if I like this look or not...
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Old 12-11-2012, 10:46 PM   #1544
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Price difference will help. But, my money is on a 7 seater Outback replacing the Tribeca...

Yeah, I was thinking two versions. An Outback and something like an Outback XL with the 3rd row. Can't wait to find out.
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Front and rear seats felt very comparable to the Outback. The Forester seating position is slightly higher and the rear seat is huge. I felt right at home in it.

They've carved out enough space width-wide that the Forester seats 3-across more comfortably, but I found the fold-down armrest to be a little stiff and intrusive in the back, so despite the lower center tunnel hump, the middle seat is best left for a kid or a short trip.

Despite being about 8" shorter than the Outback, I measured the trunk depth only about 3" shallower, IIRC. Not sure how they made up the space, but the Forester's trunk is very spacious. Due to the higher roof, you can fit taller stuff in the Forester.

In fact, the interior room in the Forester is so comparable to the Outback, I feel that they will cannibalize off of each other.
Thanks for the information. So if I read you correctly, you are basically saying that interior room (rear shoulder and leg room being most important to me) including the trunk is essentially the same? That is surprising.

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Old 12-12-2012, 12:08 AM   #1546
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I'm interested in this also since the specs show total cargo space to be more than a Tribeca.
i second this interest.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:10 AM   #1547
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I miss my 2009 Forester XT so much.



About damn time!!!!! I wanted a blue Forester, but it only came with a platinum gray interior. I wear jeans all the time, and after a few months, that leather would probably look like the exterior paint.

This was my old 2009 Forester XT Limited, which I really miss:




This is my current car:




The new car is fast, comfortable, and all, but I don't trust it like the Subaru in foul weather, the whole car is a giant blind shop, and I miss the Subaru. Although, I definitely do NOT miss the audio system in the 2009 Subaru Forester XT. That was horrible. Thank goodness Subaru is putting the Harmon Kardon system in the 2014.
Sorry to hear that your Sportage had some turbo trouble. Time for a new XT methinks
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Old 12-12-2012, 10:29 AM   #1548
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Mike, what happened to your old XT that made you go to Kia? Just wondering
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Old 12-12-2012, 11:49 AM   #1549
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Mike, what happened to your old XT that made you go to Kia? Just wondering
I lease, because I like shiny and new every three years. Financially, it's stupid. But, think about it: Shiny and new.

The Forester XT was great. Once the lease was up, I wanted something that seemed like an upgrade, but the 2012 Forester was pretty much identical to the 2009. The audio system still sucked, the interior and exterior were both the same, the engine and trans the same, the average 19.8 mpg all the time would be the same...

I gave the Kia Sportage a shot. 6 speed automatic, runs on 87 octane (I only use 93 these days because it doesn't really like 87 and the fuel economy sucks with it), it had 269 lb ft of toque at just 1850 rpm instead of 226 lb ft at nearly 3000 rpm (it's a huge real world difference), the audio system was far better, and I dunno - I think that's it. I do routinely get excellent mpg on the highway from 25-28 mpg. In the city, it's a ****ing pig drinking down fuel like it's a 1995 V8 Ford Explorer (12.8-14.5 mpg), when fuel was under a $1 a gallon and fuel economy did not matter.
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Old 12-12-2012, 12:19 PM   #1550
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I lease, because I like shiny and new every three years. Financially, it's stupid. But, think about it: Shiny and new.

The Forester XT was great. Once the lease was up, I wanted something that seemed like an upgrade, but the 2012 Forester was pretty much identical to the 2009. The audio system still sucked, the interior and exterior were both the same, the engine and trans the same, the average 19.8 mpg all the time would be the same...

I gave the Kia Sportage a shot. 6 speed automatic, runs on 87 octane (I only use 93 these days because it doesn't really like 87 and the fuel economy sucks with it), it had 269 lb ft of toque at just 1850 rpm instead of 226 lb ft at nearly 3000 rpm (it's a huge real world difference), the audio system was far better, and I dunno - I think that's it. I do routinely get excellent mpg on the highway from 25-28 mpg. In the city, it's a ****ing pig drinking down fuel like it's a 1995 V8 Ford Explorer (12.8-14.5 mpg), when fuel was under a $1 a gallon and fuel economy did not matter.
Fair enough. I had a 2wd (actually, more like one) 98 explorer that was only a v6 and I barely got 20. So I understand that pain $100 to fill up in college was brutal.

I liked the limited '13, but not enough to cough up $4k over the premium. HID's and leather are nice, but it had Nav and the sound just blows compared to my econobox. If I got one, I'd probably get a premium and immediately buy a headunit and new speakers.

The problem with the limited is you are so tied into the HU that you have to keep it. H/K sound in the new one should remedy that. But I bet it's limited only
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