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Old 10-09-2012, 12:30 AM   #151
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Just saw someone posted some images of the new Forester at Yajima (supposedly) in one of the Japanese forums.



Nice find! Your posts are always valuable. This needs moved to the 2014 Forester thread, though.

These photos seem to verify the accuracy of the brochure scans that leaked earlier.
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:55 AM   #152
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;< That sloping roof line screams RAV4 poser. It's annoying to look at.
I like the looks of the slope...but as with the redesign of the of the 2008 Impreza wagon...it might look better and it might have "more" capacity, but does it pack as well?
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:15 AM   #153
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Wish the pictures would show a little more but better than nothing. I like it!
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:18 AM   #154
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Looks nice, now how about some motor details?
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Old 10-09-2012, 09:57 AM   #155
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Europe and Japan FB20, FA20DIT and EE20.

USDM at least FB25, maybe FA20DIT.
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Old 10-09-2012, 11:43 AM   #156
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That's what I figured but I'd like to see some HP, Torque, and MPG numbers. I had a 09 Forester and loved it except for the crappy MPGs. If they can get the MPGs up with the same power or even a little more they'll have a huge success.
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Old 10-09-2012, 12:30 PM   #157
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That's what I figured but I'd like to see some HP, Torque, and MPG numbers. I had a 09 Forester and loved it except for the crappy MPGs. If they can get the MPGs up with the same power or even a little more they'll have a huge success.
I would hope so.

Even the atmospheric FB25 should be direct injected, and higher compression, D4-S like BRZ's FA20, or solely direct-injected like the FA20DIT.

Direct injection is supposed to bring the same or more power, with better fuel economy.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:24 PM   #158
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Please oh please offer a '14 USDM XT... Don't kill the turbo!
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:49 PM   #159
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They've already started selling the current 2013 with the FA20DIT, in Japan and Germany.

I doubt they'll kill the turbo entirely. I hope SOA doesn't kill it like they did the Legacy GT, though.

And if they offer the '14 FA20DIT as 240hp CVT-only, it will be just as irrelevant as the current 4EAT-only Forester XT, and yet another missed opportunity, and wasted potential for something much better and more compelling.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:06 PM   #160
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Agreed I hope they pair whatever form of the turbo motor a manual.

The big reason we are leaning towards an outback is because of the CVT and better MPG...if Subaru can put that package into the Forester we will absolutely be buying one. I have always liked the form factor of the Forester, and so far this looks great!

I'm asusming its going to borrow a majority of the interior from the 2012 Impreza as well...which looks pretty good IMO.

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Old 10-09-2012, 02:41 PM   #161
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They've already started selling the current 2013 with the FA20DIT, in Japan and Germany.

I doubt they'll kill the turbo entirely. I hope SOA doesn't kill it like they did the Legacy GT, though.

And if they offer the '14 FA20DIT as 240hp CVT-only, it will be just as irrelevant as the current 4EAT-only Forester XT, and yet another missed opportunity, and wasted potential for something much better and more compelling.
I'd be perfectly happy with a 240HP FA20DIT CVT Forester. I'd be happier with a 2.5L T engine, but I don't think that will allow the mpg increases Subaru (and we) are hoping for. I'm perfectly fine with the existing XT's power levels. If they can do it and get better mpg, that's what I'm after. COBB AP / DPs can always be added later as well. The competition's doing 2.0L FI engines and they've got ample power, it's everything else I can't stand, which is why I'm holding out for the '14 FXT.
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:08 PM   #162
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If you are fine with a 2.0 DIT at 240hp, and a CVT...

Would you also be fine with the same thing at 270-290hp?

240hp is the EU tune for 2013 Forester DIT in Germany.
JDM, it is closer to the JDM Legacy 2.0DIT-CVT, which has 296hp from the same engine. No Cobb parts, or AccessPorts required... just Subaru's in-house specifications.

And driving it calmly, without using that much power most of the time... likely means the fuel mileage won't be any different between the two different tunes of the FA20DIT... but the higher tune obviously has much more of a power reserve when you need it.

If Forester gains any weight... the additional power might be handy to have.

If you are perfectly happy with a CVT, would you be opposed to it somehow if it offered the choice between CVT or 6MT...

6MT from the 07-09 Spec.B with VTD AWD... or the cable-shifted 6MT from the 2010+ Legacy line with Symmetrical AWD (basically a 5-speed +1)

If you would be perfectly happy with what is likely to be the lowest common denominator '14 FXT specification... would you be just as happy or happier with a better specification that might appeal more to someone like me?

Would the extra capability be something you "can't stand", or would put you off buying the vehicle in any way? A higher tune XT would in no way preclude the non-XT Forester from existence, either.

Theoretically, just ECU tuning and a gearbox choice shouldn't offer much of a price difference... and most manual drivers would probably pay a little money for the choice to have a stick over a CVT. I'd probably cough up 500-1000$ for a manual gearbox... especially if it meant VTD AWD also, compared to a CVT with Front-biased Active AWD... but I can't imagine that it would be necessary. A manual transmission is a more established machine than a CVT, and especially Subaru's more robust 6MT+VTD/DCCD Spec.B and STI unit is strong enough to handle the power, no slipping of a torque converter, or link-belts (or a protective slipper clutch on a CVT to protect the pulleys and belts from damage) involved.

Would you still be perfectly happy. I know I would be more impressed by a 250-290hp tune and a manual gearbox option, available in the Forester XT Limited, and not so happy with less power, or a CVT with an AWD system closer to other vehicles' Faux-wheel-drive. I might as well get an Escape, or other transverse CUV at that rate. Or a trail-rated CVT Jeep Patriot, which my wife likes the look of, but I am not impressed by the drivetrain.

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Old 10-09-2012, 11:43 PM   #163
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We'll never see the crazy Japanese tunes on a USDM car. Fuel here won't allow it, so that is a moot point. I think 260hp out of a Subaru 2.0L T would be the ceiling, stock, we'd ever see on a FXT. The other things you mention simply are too enthusiast-oriented to justify the immense price hike we'd surely see if Subaru built an STi-esque FXT. Would we love one? Sure. Will we ever see one? Nope. 90% of the buying public doesn't need all of that. They want fuel economy and an option with a turbo for some oomph. They're not looking to break their tires loose in a Forester. Sad but true. Those folks will buy diesel Touregs, X5s, and the like.
I don't want to shift any SUV or X-Over - that's what I have my 400HP+ I6 TT Coupe for. I need something with real AWD, a turbo (6,200ft)(and mod-ability), decent mpgs, with leather, but isn't too expensive or too nice that I cannot throw my muddy ass dog in, or cram some snow boards into. The current FXT Touring is 90% of what I need. Love the steering feedback (as opposed to the numerous other numb, new POSs out there), the tried and true AWD performance for CO winters and the occasional off-road, and Japanese reliability as this'll be a keeper. The HIDs are awesome as I've grown to love them at night, even if they're reflector based like my '05 STi's were.
Basically, I just need better mileage out of the '13 FXT. A slighter more modern interior would be nice, but it is an Impreza after all, so I'm not holding my breath.
All this around $28K - cant get too much better than that. I've looked/driven just about everything. The '13 Hyandai Santa Fe was real close, but the electronic steering felt so awful, it killed the whole deal. That and I doubt the capabilities of the AWD. Power and mileage, looks, interior etc. we're same or much better than the FXT T. No HIDs on the Hyandai either, good projection lamps are still not HIDs.

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Old 10-10-2012, 12:46 AM   #164
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Kia Sportage SX Turbo 2.0 - 260hp. Optima with the same engine: 274hp.

Genesis Coupe's 2.0T: 274 hp and 275 lb-ft. Same engine.

Rav4 V6: 269hp.

2013 Ford Escape 2.0T EcoBoost. 230hp... but 270lb.ft. of torque.

Subaru had damned well better do something.


Everybody says immense price hike... like it is a foregone conclusion. So what if a Forester STI costs as much as a WRX STI...

If WRX STI gets smaller and less practical than it already isn't... not everybody can justify a sole performance car, plus another general use car... and general use wins out, unless one can get a general use car that happens to perform pretty well.

Perhaps you can justify a BMW 135i, and a Forester as a backup.

Some of us... the next Subaru is going to be the next PRIME TIME car.

And just because my 99 Miata has a stick, doesn't mean I want an automatic in my other cars, if I can help it. I like to shift ALL THE TIME, because I know how, and because torque converters SUCK. Literally, they absorb power when they aren't locked.

The 90% have enough automotive BOREDOM to choose from. The 90% are sheep, and will follow the 10% who know what they are doing, and who give good products credibility.

With that sort of thinking, The WRX, the STI, the BRZ, and probably the BMW 135i also, wouldn't be built.

Subarus with manual gearboxes have better REAL AWD anyway.

And for 28K... it had damned well better match WRX Limited or Legacy GT Limited specifications, which FXT doesn't now.

Lack of projectors on the Forester, and the fact that Touring models don't offer a manual, are two points toward a used Tribeca rather than a Forester. it has projectors, (possibly even HIDs on the 2011+ Limiteds, IIRC) and the 5EAT has MUCH better AWD than the 4EAT.
Plus 250+ H6 horsepower and more torque near idle for a lower cruising RPM, than the 230hp tune of the EJ25... both engines entirely likely de-tuned to keep their respective transaxles from melting down. (something else that is better about modern Subaru manual transaxles, especially their STI/Spec.B 6MT)

Price being equal, due to Tribeca's faster depreciation than Forester's high demand... a 5-passenger Tribeca fresh off a short lease term is looking like an all-around better buy than a Forester XT, new or used. If I have to have an automatic, the Tribeca is the winner, despite it's additional weight. It can also tow more, while not being a gigantic behemoth like a Chevy Suburban or something.

I don't like being forced to settle for an automatic to get the other features I want, which is why I asked if more performance would put you off... because lack of performance IS putting ME off of Forester, and it is one of the only things that makes me hesitant... and Subaru doesn't build much else, and WRX STI has great drivetrain tech, but Forester has more practicality now. If WRX STI gets more focused, the gap will only get wider.

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Old 10-10-2012, 03:30 AM   #166
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^Here are the links to the 2 missing images posted above by Ent-f-mc. Anyone have a log-in for the Moscow Forester Club so these can be hosted & we can view them?

http://forester-moscowclub.ru/attach...3&d=1349849011

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FA20DIT will have 240 hp and 270 lb-ft outside Japan (Japan Forester has 285 hp) and comes with CVT only. I think that will be perfectly suited to the majority of US buyers.
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I'm sorry, I forgot that the authorization is necessary


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I can live with 240/270 on the USDM XT here....=)
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Old 10-10-2012, 06:26 AM   #170
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I pretty much like everything besides the mirrors and headlights. Mirrors are probably more functional like that, but damn they're ugly and stick out like a sore thumb!
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:13 AM   #171
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Mirrors look like they are folded in and resemble the current 12/13 Impreza/XV design.
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:05 AM   #172
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I can live with 240/270 on the USDM XT here....=)
Me too. Bring the torque baby. I'm thinkin' a COBB AP + DPs eventually. The ultimate I-70 ski rig. Tons of FI torque for the mountain passes. Better mpgs for the monthly drives to the in-laws.

I'm digging the whole thing except the rear end. They Impreza'd the ass end of it. Those rear tail lights will take some getting used to. They look very similar to the Impreza hatch tail lights, which make me want to barf every time I see one rolling around. And let's hope and pray the USDM XTs don't come with the clown, KIA-looking wheels.
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Those rims are pretty terrible!
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:34 AM   #174
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Perhaps you can justify a BMW 135i, and a Forester as a backup.
The Forester will be the wife's daily, of which I end up driving all the time. She'd remove my balls in my sleep if I bought a Forester as a 'backup' for myself and left her with her old rig, LOL.
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Those rims are pretty terrible!
Haha, they aren't that bad...
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