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Old 10-10-2012, 11:56 AM   #176
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I think the Black Forester is an XT. Notice the rims and vertical accent line on the front bumper? Looks like the brochure silver XT.
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Old 10-10-2012, 12:50 PM   #177
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I think the Black Forester is an XT. Notice the rims and vertical accent line on the front bumper? Looks like the brochure silver XT.
It is - unfortunately we haven't got a real good look of an XT's front end closeup, in the sunshine, yet.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:21 PM   #178
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Old 10-10-2012, 10:32 PM   #179
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I like the looks of the slope...but as with the redesign of the of the 2008 Impreza wagon...it might look better and it might have "more" capacity, but does it pack as well?
AHHHHHHHHHH SUBARU WHAT ARE YOU DOING!! I just saw the other two pictures and died a little on the inside.









STOP. SUBARU. JUST STOP.

Those sloping roof lines are so irritating. Has Subaru FORGOTTEN what cargo space means? What the U in CUV and SUV mean?

They SERIOUSLY need a reminder as to what contributes to cargo space as well as OUTWARD VISIBILITY.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:20 PM   #180
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Calm down now. These "spy" photos are bad angles from a distance and don't make a valid comparison on its cargo capacity. Comparing those photos and "body cladded" photos, I see a similar roof line to the current Forester but with a sloping window line. Even with the sloping window line, I see plenty of visability. The new Forester doesn't have the extreme sloping roofline as other CUV's. It's something that either needs to be seen in person or a true side by side comparison.

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Old 10-10-2012, 11:36 PM   #181
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Just a good-look in' rig. Subaru has/had a winner with this design. The roof is pretty much flat.

The new on doesn't quite capture the same lines and look. It's definitely got a roof slope.
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:13 AM   #182
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Calm down now. These "spy" photos are bad angles from a distance and don't make a valid comparison on its cargo capacity. Comparing those photos and "body cladded" photos, I see a similar roof line to the current Forester but with a sloping window line. Even with the sloping window line, I see plenty of visability. The new Forester doesn't have the extreme sloping roofline as other CUV's. It's something that either needs to be seen in person or a true side by side comparison.
The spy shots AND the brochure all point to the same thing: It's a sloping roof line in a larger degree than the previous model. They're moving towards mainstream and they're assuming that means following the RAV4 and CR-V which is a horrible idea. Choosing styling over utility says a lot about a car manufacturer and the vehicle itself. It pisses me off that Subaru advertises their outgoing adventure commercials but decides to choose style over utility. It's hypocritical. ;D

I'm really hoping it becomes a slap to the face to Subaru if the exterior design starts to become ugly or too mainstream for Subaru buyers. There's a reason why Subaru sales were up during the recession for the CURRENT model year.
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:26 AM   #183
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I just don't see how the utility is destroyed in the new design and how it won't appeal to the outgoing adventurous type. The reason the current Forester is a sales success is because of its mainstream design. It matched more of what the better selling competitors were doing and less of the small wagon look of the previous generations. This new Forester will be another success for Subaru.

Compare the spy photos with a slightly different angle of the current Forester and you can see a slight slope. This is not too different from the new Forester design.



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Old 10-11-2012, 12:44 AM   #184
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I think the impression of a slightly more sloped roofline is partly from a higher roof at the A-pillar, not a lower roof at the D-pillar. (Plus the shape of the window glass.)

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Old 10-11-2012, 01:14 AM   #185
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The spy shots AND the brochure all point to the same thing: It's a sloping roof line in a larger degree than the previous model. They're moving towards mainstream and they're assuming that means following the RAV4 and CR-V which is a horrible idea. Choosing styling over utility says a lot about a car manufacturer and the vehicle itself. It pisses me off that Subaru advertises their outgoing adventure commercials but decides to choose style over utility. It's hypocritical. ;D

I'm really hoping it becomes a slap to the face to Subaru if the exterior design starts to become ugly or too mainstream for Subaru buyers. There's a reason why Subaru sales were up during the recession for the CURRENT model year.
Hold up there chicken little...

If you're trusting the brochure pics, then you should probably trust the stats that show that the ground clearance is the same yet the Forester is taller. As subyski's comparison shows... the current Forester has a slight slant, and the spy photos of the new Forester show a taller roof at the A pillar. It seems that the Forester may be taller in the passenger compartment and the roof gradual slopes to height of the current Forester in the cargo area.
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:29 AM   #186
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I just don't see how the utility is destroyed in the new design and how it won't appeal to the outgoing adventurous type. The reason the current Forester is a sales success is because of its mainstream design. It matched more of what the better selling competitors were doing and less of the small wagon look of the previous generations. This new Forester will be another success for Subaru.

Compare the spy photos with a slightly different angle of the current Forester and you can see a slight slope. This is not too different from the new Forester design.
You "don't see how the utility is destroyed... and how it won't appeal to the outgoing adventurous type" because no one said the redesign "destroyed" the utility or that it will not "appeal to the outgoing adventurous type." At least no one has said that yet to my knowledge.

A part of that mainstream design is the ability to load cargo into the back since the CURRENT model does not have the issues the Honda CR-V and Toyota RAV4 encounter because of the sloping roof line. Subaru's are inexpensive, quality, AWD vehicles that are known in the winter/snow belt for their use. Loyalty, price, CURRENT looks are what help sold so many during the recession.


The utility of being able to look outside through the windows because of the thin pillars with large windows that aren't curved to hell for style helped make the Subaru a choice for many buyers. The visibility has always been a great selling point before (and for) the third generation. The third generation just added onto it with looks and more passenger room. The previous generations are smaller and felt more car-like. The third generation is more CUV than car and definitely has the size to it than the previous generations.

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Old 10-11-2012, 02:35 AM   #187
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You "don't see how the utility is destroyed... and how it won't appeal to the outgoing adventurous type" because no one said the redesign "destroyed" the utility or that it will not "appeal to the outgoing adventurous type." At least no one has said that yet to my knowledge.
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Choosing styling over utility says a lot about a car manufacturer and the vehicle itself. It pisses me off that Subaru advertises their outgoing adventure commercials but decides to choose style over utility. It's hypocritical. ;D
Ok, you did not say "destroyed" but your acting like the whole world is coming to an end because of the restyle.

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A part of that mainstream design is the ability to load cargo into the back since the CURRENT model does not have the issues the Honda CR-V and Toyota RAV4 encounter because of the sloping roof line.

The roof lines are similar. Like what keepclam and SoDealer said, the A-pillar appears to be taller. The A-pillar could also have a bit more slope to accomodate the new side mirror and corner glass for better visability. How does this drastically change utility over the current model that it is "so bad" as the CR-V and RAV4?

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The utility of being able to look outside through the windows because of the thin pillars with large windows that aren't curved to hell for style helped make the Subaru a choice for many buyers.
How does the new design have the "curved to hell" rear window? It appears to have a little bit more sloping window line but still good visability compared to many competitors. Subaru's have never been known to look good to the general public so it won't hurt them to add a little style.



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Old 10-11-2012, 02:53 AM   #188
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Compare the spy photos with a slightly different angle of the current Forester and you can see a slight slope. This is not too different from the new Forester design.
I think the difference in the Forester SJ-SH, about the same as between SG and SF. You agree that SG is not much different from SF? And here between the SG and SH is very big. So it will certainly be a new body, but not a very big change, as well as between the SF and SG.
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:00 AM   #189
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^Yes. Style evolution, not style revolution.

At least that's how it appears to me. Of course we all see things a little differently and we all have different thresholds. It seems to be a minor change, but maybe it just crosses that "line in the sand" where it's too much slope for A W, and that's OK. We'll have to wait quite a bit to see actual cargo area & hatch opening measurements.
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Old 10-11-2012, 03:41 AM   #190
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A part of that mainstream design is the ability to load cargo into the back since the CURRENT model does not have the issues the Honda CR-V and Toyota RAV4 encounter because of the sloping roof line. Subaru's are inexpensive, quality, AWD vehicles that are known in the winter/snow belt for their use. Loyalty, price, CURRENT looks are what help sold so many during the recession.

2009 Subaru Forester - YouTube
I went to the training in that video and was even given similar boxes to have at my dealership. Was a GREAT selling tool up till the current competitors. That box now EASILY fits in the new CR-V with more room to spare than the Forester.

I'd say don't worry about it. What I have been hearing is that there is MORE room in the 2014. The only thing I am waiting to see(and not really worried about) is the visibility.
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We'll have to wait quite a bit to see actual cargo area & hatch opening measurements.
yes... 13 november!
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Old 10-11-2012, 09:20 AM   #192
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It may just be the angle, but if you look at the roofline, in the picture of the Forrester in front of the brick wall, the top goes along the same line of bricks...just saying.
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What do you mean 13 November? As in 2013?!?
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So when is Subaru planning on officially showing the new Forester? Isn't it going on sale in Japan in a few months and the rest of the world a few months into the new year?
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I thought you here know about it. According to rumors the world premiere of the Subaru Forester SJ November 13, 2012 in Japan. Where did I do not know.
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I think the difference in the Forester SJ-SH, about the same as between SG and SF. You agree that SG is not much different from SF? And here between the SG and SH is very big. So it will certainly be a new body, but not a very big change, as well as between the SF and SG.
Yes, I agree the differences between the SG and SF are evolutionary like the SJ will be to the SH. The revolutionary change was between the SG and SH.
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Old 10-12-2012, 12:39 PM   #198
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I thought you here know about it. According to rumors the world premiere of the Subaru Forester SJ November 13, 2012 in Japan. Where did I do not know.
Actually, announcement/unveiling is Nov 1. Sale date is Nov 13. This is what I have been able to gather from various postings on japanese forums.
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Actually, announcement/unveiling is Nov 1. Sale date is Nov 13. This is what I have been able to gather from various postings on japanese forums.


Is there an auto show 11/1 somewhere or are they just going to do it at Subaru?

That sure is a quick turn around of less than 2 weeks from unveiling to sale.
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Is there an auto show 11/1 somewhere or are they just going to do it at Subaru?

That sure is a quick turn around of less than 2 weeks from unveiling to sale.
I do not think the debut will be at an autoshow. At least what's been talked about is for the JDM market so who knows when the ROW debut will be. The new foz has been available for preorder since end of sept in japan so on 11/13 I think the first deliveries would be starting. But that's all speculation for now until the official unveiling by Subaru in Japan.
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