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Old 02-09-2013, 09:46 PM   #2151
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The '14 Forester is based off the '12 Impreza (non-turbo)... so yeah, most likely unless the next WRX/STI is going to be shortened..
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:17 PM   #2152
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What he said. When I can go to a car show and have more hands-on access to an all-new Porsche Cayman than I can an all-new Subaru Forester, something is seriously wrong.
You can test drive the new 2014 Subaru Forester at the Chicago Auto Show this week. Should be on dealer's lots soon. There were plenty of articles that Subaru misjudged demand for the JDM version, they thought 2,000 and received 8,000 orders in the first month. Since Subaru is a small niche company, it's going to take them some time to dig out from that.
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:17 PM   #2153
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So anyone know invoice on the XT touring?
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Old 02-09-2013, 10:38 PM   #2154
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So anyone know invoice on the XT touring?
MSRP $ 32,995
Invoice $30,836

Destination is $825 on top of that.
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:48 PM   #2155
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You can test drive the new 2014 Subaru Forester at the Chicago Auto Show this week. Should be on dealer's lots soon. There were plenty of articles that Subaru misjudged demand for the JDM version, they thought 2,000 and received 8,000 orders in the first month. Since Subaru is a small niche company, it's going to take them some time to dig out from that.

Unless they are being nice to us, our first allocation has 12 Foresters coming to us. When the Impreza and then the Crosstrek started hitting the ground, we only got 2 or 3 each month to start. We are VERY happy with 12. If that is any indication of national level allocations, I don't think it will be in as short of supply as Impreza and Crosstrek were at their beginning.
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Old 02-10-2013, 12:48 AM   #2156
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You can test drive the new 2014 Subaru Forester at the Chicago Auto Show this week. Should be on dealer's lots soon. There were plenty of articles that Subaru misjudged demand for the JDM version, they thought 2,000 and received 8,000 orders in the first month. Since Subaru is a small niche company, it's going to take them some time to dig out from that.
Test drive at an auto show? Cool!
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Old 02-10-2013, 01:06 AM   #2157
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Test drive at an auto show? Cool!
http://www.chicagoautoshow.com/news/...pearances.aspx

10 a.m.-10 p.m. Outdoor Test Drives: Cadillac, Ford, Hyundai, Kia, Nissan & Subaru Sign up in manufacturers' display
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Old 02-10-2013, 08:24 AM   #2158
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You can test drive the new 2014 Subaru Forester at the Chicago Auto Show this week. Should be on dealer's lots soon. There were plenty of articles that Subaru misjudged demand for the JDM version, they thought 2,000 and received 8,000 orders in the first month. Since Subaru is a small niche company, it's going to take them some time to dig out from that.
Good to know, but that option wasn't available at the Philadelphia show two weeks ago. There was only a single base Forester there, on a turntable behind a railing. Disappointing for what's often considered SoA's "home show."
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:15 AM   #2159
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You can test drive the new 2014 Subaru Forester at the Chicago Auto Show this week. Should be on dealer's lots soon. There were plenty of articles that Subaru misjudged demand for the JDM version, they thought 2,000 and received 8,000 orders in the first month. Since Subaru is a small niche company, it's going to take them some time to dig out from that.
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Good to know, but that option wasn't available at the Philadelphia show two weeks ago. There was only a single base Forester there, on a turntable behind a railing. Disappointing for what's often considered SoA's "home show."
So, does the info you saw for the Chicago Auto Show EXPLICITLY say "2014 Forester"? They've been doing the outdoor "Ride and Drives" at many auto shows, including LA and Philly (yes, there had it in Philly!! Click here), but they only had 2013's.

If they do have 2014 Foresters at Chicago and someone is there to drive, we're expecting pictures and full driving impressions on this board ASAP!
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Old 02-10-2013, 10:42 AM   #2160
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So, does the info you saw for the Chicago Auto Show EXPLICITLY say "2014 Forester"? They've been doing the outdoor "Ride and Drives" at many auto shows, including LA and Philly (yes, there had it in Philly!! Click here), but they only had 2013's.

If they do have 2014 Foresters at Chicago and someone is there to drive, we're expecting pictures and full driving impressions on this board ASAP!
It doesn't say the 2014 Forester specifically, but someone should go and make sure.
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Old 02-11-2013, 12:52 AM   #2161
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MSRP $ 32,995
Invoice $30,836

Destination is $825 on top of that.
Is it realistic to try to get invoice price right now?
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Old 02-11-2013, 01:27 AM   #2162
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Is it realistic to try to get invoice price right now?
I don't see why not. Most dealers I hear about sell at invoice. Hell, a local dealer in WA had a starting offer of $500 over invoice for a new Impreza, before any negotiating. And this was all without having anything on the lot and a backlog of 3-4 months.
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Old 02-11-2013, 10:01 AM   #2163
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Yes the 2014 Forester is available to test drive at the Chicago Auto Show. The wife drove the new Forester 2.5i and loved it. She currently has 2012 XT and the 2014 drive is much improved. She had the chance to hit many of Chicago's famous potholes and the ride was smooth. Two Forester available to test drive were Blue and the new Bronze color. The upper display now has a graphical view of the AWD system and will display if a tire looses grip. Also much better display of fuel effeciency. Didn't test out the radio.

The 2014 XT was on display. Very nice and with the exception of the front fascia and wheels no difference from standad model. IE no hood scoop. Air is sucked in through the front grill and using vents on underside of hood, directed into IC. Following the piping the turbo is down on the underside of motor. Also great news for the 2.0, premium fuel is not required. We didn't take a long look at the regular Forester but we did examine the XT at length. The dash is much improved over the 2012 XT. Climate controls are knobs (one of the complaints the wife had) Back up camera now displays on an upper screen, so you're not looking down. Inserts on door panels are leather instead of cloth. Rear door opens/closes via the FOB and closes using button on inside rear door. You can also adjust the height at which the door will open to.

The regular brochures were not available yet to determine what color interior with what color exterior and what packages are available etc. Although I thought I heard the only way to get HIDs is to order the package that includes EyeSight. I'm hoping that's not the case. We;ll find out tomorrow when the wife goes in to order her new 2014 XT.

I found it funny that the Tribeca was "hidden" behind a wall at the Subaru display. Almost if they were ashamed to have brought it there.

Cars available to test drive: 2014 Forester and 2013 Outback 3.6, Impreza, Tribeca, Legacy and XV.
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:37 AM   #2164
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Is it realistic to try to get invoice price right now?
I think it is, or something like Invoice + $500 or something, but you should be able to get close to invoice pricing. I got invoice pricing on my Forester XT Touring and almost invoice on my Accessories. Lots of people are reporting the same, but it is dealer specific, so definitely shop around.
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:40 PM   #2165
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i'm debating between 2014 forester xt turbo and hyundai santa fe..hmmmm
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Old 02-11-2013, 03:50 PM   #2166
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i'm debating between 2014 forester xt turbo and hyundai santa fe..hmmmm

Both are good options depending on what you need/want. Maybe wait until you can test drive both?
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Both are good options depending on what you need/want. Maybe wait until you can test drive both?
that's what i was planning to do.
can't decide on papers
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Old 02-11-2013, 08:16 PM   #2169
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i'm debating between 2014 forester xt turbo and hyundai santa fe..hmmmm
I sat in a Santa Fe Sport a few months ago when I was at the dealer for an oil change. Nicely appointed around $31k (almost loaded turbo). I definitely preferred it to the last Forester.

I didn't drive it though, so this is a pointless post
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Old 02-11-2013, 11:55 PM   #2170
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I've been using the 74.7 cu ft capacity for comparisons and just realized it only applies to models without the moonroof, meaning only the very base and 2.5i premium manual trans. The rest get the moonroof whether you like it or not and they're rated at 68.5. Not a big deal, but I was hoping to get an XT premium sans moonroof.

Either way, looking forward to test driving an XT next month.
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Old 02-13-2013, 10:37 PM   #2171
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Despite seeing and sitting in the 2014 Forester at both the LA Auto Show and Philly Auto Show, I jumped on the invitation from my dealer when they told me that had a pre-production 2.5i Touring to look at in their showroom today and tomorrow. I'm glad I went, because even though I still couldn't drive it, I learned a lot of new things that have me very excited, thanks to being able to play with the nav and info screen.

The car I was in had EyeSight and the keyless start, and the keyless entry worked flawlessly with the small fob in my pocket.

I have heard relentless reports of the new Subaru nav in the BRZ and Impreza being horrible, but after playing with it for about 15 minutes, it didn't seem bad at all for me -- definitely way better than my 2010 Outback's quirky nav... which I am nevertheless satisfied with anyway. Maybe Subaru made some improvements along with the Starlink firmware updates, because it seemed pretty responsive and intuitive to me. I remember it being more laggy when I tried it in the Impreza last year. No, it's no Garmin, but not a deal-breaker either. (I didn't get to try the Aha and Bluetooth, so it's still possible I may change my mind. YMMV.)

I think the big complaint is that most of the buttons are on-screen and pretty small, but it didn't bother me at all. The split screen where you can see both the nav map and the audio controls is a nice touch.

Something that has me really excited is the Harmon/Kardon premium audio in the Touring. It sounded really, really, good; definitely better than the H/K audio in my Outback which sounds bland at lower volumes even with a dedicated subwoofer. The bass was really full and rich; definitely no need for a separate subwoofer in the new Forester with the H/K. I can take that off my list. I was only able to test the audio with the radio, but it was HD radio, so it was CD quality and sounded great.

I was also able to play with the color info screen. It has a mode where you can configure TONS of settings and preferences for the whole car, like audible security chirps, dome light delay time, defroster reset time, auto-headlight sensitivity, and much more. On my Outback, most of these can only be programmed using a special tool at the dealer. It also had settings to program in reminders for birthdays and anniversaries! Sheesh!

I am getting more and more excited about getting my Forester next month. It really feels like an upgrade from my Outback in every way, despite being cheaper.
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I remember it being more laggy when I tried it in the Impreza last year. No, it's no Garmin, but not a deal-breaker either. (I didn't get to try the Aha and Bluetooth, so it's still possible I may change my mind. YMMV.)
I have a Garmin 3590 LMT (top line) and it's "okay" but my Droid Razr MAXX does a lot better with the voice recognition. The only things I like about the Garmin is the fact that the volume is loud, has a bigger screen, and isn't connected to my Bluetooth volume which is also the same as my music volume (I can't have my music at one level and the phone's navigation volume at another because it isn't audible otherwise).

And Google Maps actually has TRAFFIC data for me unlike my Garmin. I only get traffic on big roads that I never travel on because they're the ones everyone takes during rush hour.

Garmin and Tom Tom devices get too much hype when our phones do a hell of a better job with navigation.
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Hey all,

Despite seeing and sitting in the 2014 Forester at both the LA Auto Show and Philly Auto Show, I jumped on the invitation from my dealer when they told me that had a pre-production 2.5i Touring to look at in their showroom today and tomorrow. I'm glad I went, because even though I still couldn't drive it, I learned a lot of new things that have me very excited, thanks to being able to play with the nav and info screen.

The car I was in had EyeSight and the keyless start, and the keyless entry worked flawlessly with the small fob in my pocket.

I have heard relentless reports of the new Subaru nav in the BRZ and Impreza being horrible, but after playing with it for about 15 minutes, it didn't seem bad at all for me -- definitely way better than my 2010 Outback's quirky nav... which I am nevertheless satisfied with anyway. Maybe Subaru made some improvements along with the Starlink firmware updates, because it seemed pretty responsive and intuitive to me. I remember it being more laggy when I tried it in the Impreza last year. No, it's no Garmin, but not a deal-breaker either. (I didn't get to try the Aha and Bluetooth, so it's still possible I may change my mind. YMMV.)

I think the big complaint is that most of the buttons are on-screen and pretty small, but it didn't bother me at all. The split screen where you can see both the nav map and the audio controls is a nice touch.

Something that has me really excited is the Harmon/Kardon premium audio in the Touring. It sounded really, really, good; definitely better than the H/K audio in my Outback which sounds bland at lower volumes even with a dedicated subwoofer. The bass was really full and rich; definitely no need for a separate subwoofer in the new Forester with the H/K. I can take that off my list. I was only able to test the audio with the radio, but it was HD radio, so it was CD quality and sounded great.

I was also able to play with the color info screen. It has a mode where you can configure TONS of settings and preferences for the whole car, like audible security chirps, dome light delay time, defroster reset time, auto-headlight sensitivity, and much more. On my Outback, most of these can only be programmed using a special tool at the dealer. It also had settings to program in reminders for birthdays and anniversaries! Sheesh!

I am getting more and more excited about getting my Forester next month. It really feels like an upgrade from my Outback in every way, despite being cheaper.
Wow, thanks for the info. I haven't read anything like this anywhere else, thanks! I think you hit on a few things I've been wondering about, while waiting for the Forester I ordered. What did you think of the seats (I know you probably had limited time) also, steering wheel size, and what about visibility? Was the interior an improvement like everyone is saying it is?
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Someone asked the other day about the temp. gauge on the 2014 Forester, I found this photo, it is the same blue = cold, red = hot light/icon Subaru uses on most cars now, look under the 8 on the tach:

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Old 02-14-2013, 10:17 AM   #2175
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So the million dollar question is, do we get this info screen in the U.S., or is this only available in other markets where the Forester is sold at a much higher price as a premium car?

The demo Forester I sat in yesterday did NOT have it -- but it was in accessory mode without the engine running.

Ugh! U.S. deliveries can't get here fast enough! Too many open questions!
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