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Old 02-21-2013, 08:58 AM   #2276
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Rally cars are just street cars and sports cars can make fantastic rally cars. More NASIOCers should actually go see (or get involved with) a real performance rally before passing judgement on what is and isn't "rally".
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Before the mainstream use of AWD rally cars, sports cars such as the Datsun/Nissan Z, Porsche 911, Lancia Stratos, and very many other sports cars have shown great capability in rally racing.
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Old 02-21-2013, 09:45 AM   #2277
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Just talked to 2 Subaru dealers here in NJ. One is telling me late April and the other is telling me 3 weeks minimum which would make it around late march or April too. He said they are sitting at the port and Subaru is not releasing them. I'm guessing because there are so many 2013 s on the lots still. Frustrating...looks like I may have to get something else. Was looking forward to driving one of these.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:17 AM   #2278
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Just saw my first 2014 Forester in person yesterday...looks like a Chevy Uplander and the Pontiac Aztec had a midget child. Not very easy on the eyes...
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:34 AM   #2279
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Also called Subaru and they said delivery is 8-13 weeks from order date with 13 weeks being the absolute longest.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:45 AM   #2280
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Just talked to 2 Subaru dealers here in NJ. One is telling me late April and the other is telling me 3 weeks minimum which would make it around late march or April too. He said they are sitting at the port and Subaru is not releasing them. I'm guessing because there are so many 2013 s on the lots still. Frustrating...looks like I may have to get something else. Was looking forward to driving one of these.
Why would you need to drive it? It's a Subaru, how would it be that much different from a 2013? I realize it's been redesigned but it can't be THAT much different. I ordered one without driving or seeing it in person *shrug*
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:10 PM   #2281
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Rally cars are just street cars and sports cars can make fantastic rally cars. More NASIOCers should actually go see (or get involved with) a real performance rally before passing judgement on what is and isn't "rally".
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I think part of the problem is people thinking that only AWD can be used in rally. It's definitely one of the better platforms, but it's not the end-all/be-all in rally. Many local performance rallyists in Europe are on RWD. It's awesome to see cosworths, E30/E36s, saabs, etc... flying through the dirt.

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I'm not saying only AWD cars can be used in rally. I know there aren't just AWD vehicles and I've seen the FT-86 rally vehicle.

My point was that WRB seems much less suitable for a BRZ than an Impreza or XV. I'm not sure what other points were being made, except that I agree, Subaru isn't in WRC anymore, so they should switch up World Rally Blue with something else.
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:10 PM   #2282
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Rally cars are just street cars and sports cars can make fantastic rally cars. More NASIOCers should actually go see (or get involved with) a real performance rally before passing judgement on what is and isn't "rally".
I'm not passing judgement that the BRZ can't be a rally car. I've seen plenty of AWD, RWD, and FWD rally cars and they are all great. I, personally, have not seen a FR-S rally car until you posted that pic. It looks awesome.

I'm just stating that since the BRZ can have WRB paint, other Subaru offerings like the XV (...and Forester, Outback, etc.) has the looks and off-road capability that it should warrant the WRB paint option, as it represents Subaru's background. I'm just talking paint here, not what is or isn't rally qualified vehicles, especially street consumer vehicles from the factory.

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Old 02-21-2013, 01:20 PM   #2283
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Rally has nothing to do with "off-road" anything. Rally cars are street cars. Performance rallies (like the WRC) are done on roads. A Mazda3 looks more like a rally car than a XV or Forester.
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Old 02-21-2013, 01:31 PM   #2284
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Those performance rallies also include dirt/gravel and snow roads along with tarmac which may not be "off-road" but are on some "rough roads" and some of those rally cars are far from street vehicles. There are also real "off-road" rallies too, i.e. Baja/Mexico 1000. Rally is just a general term with many variations with most being performance oriented. Many I wouldn't be comfortable running in either a stock BRZ or XV.

Look, just calm down, I'm not arguing or disagreeing with you. You are correct. I just think Subaru should offer WRB paint on other models that have more history with the brand.

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Old 02-21-2013, 01:46 PM   #2285
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. I just think Subaru should offer WRB paint on other models that have more history with the brand.
1,000,000% agree with this. If I had money up the wazoo, I'd have it removed and pay for a professional WRB paint job.....on a 2014 FXT Touring tilted.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:39 PM   #2286
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I think part of the problem is people thinking that only AWD can be used in rally. It's definitely one of the better platforms, but it's not the end-all/be-all in rally. Many local performance rallyists in Europe are on RWD. It's awesome to see cosworths, E30/E36s, saabs, etc... flying through the dirt.

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I remember the Citroen when it was FWD and would post high finishes on the tarmac "rallys". Was still impressed that it could keep up. Now look at it.
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Old 02-21-2013, 03:46 PM   #2287
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Why would you need to drive it? It's a Subaru, how would it be that much different from a 2013? I realize it's been redesigned but it can't be THAT much different. I ordered one without driving or seeing it in person *shrug*
I have heard it does feel different. Nicer. But, I am with you. I know that it will be a better driving car. To me, the newer ones always are. I have always liked the "next generation" of designs over previous ones; so, like the 2004 and 2008 STI I got, I will order/buy a Subie sight unseen.

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...Subaru isn't in WRC anymore, so they should switch up World Rally Blue with something else.

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Old 02-21-2013, 04:29 PM   #2288
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Old 02-21-2013, 04:43 PM   #2289
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Why would you need to drive it? It's a Subaru, how would it be that much different from a 2013? I realize it's been redesigned but it can't be THAT much different. I ordered one without driving or seeing it in person *shrug*
No you are misunderstanding. I am in need of a car soon and it is unavailable. I was looking forward to driving it as my car, not test driving.
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Old 02-21-2013, 05:35 PM   #2290
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I drove my 2005 STI (purchased out-of-state), 2008 Forester Sports XT (purchased out-of-state) and 2011 WRX Limited sedan (purchased at the local dealership) without test drives. They drove as expected after I purchased them.

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Old 02-22-2013, 11:07 AM   #2291
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No you are misunderstanding. I am in need of a car soon and it is unavailable. I was looking forward to driving it as my car, not test driving.
I'd say wait a couple of weeks. Last I heard was March 11th. Unless you are carless, why does a an extra week or two matter?
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That's what I'm planning. Between MS3, focus ST, and XT.
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Old 02-23-2013, 01:27 PM   #2293
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dealers in the PNW are showing 2014 Foresters as "in transit"..
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:20 PM   #2294
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That's what I'm planning. Between MS3, focus ST, and XT.
Interesting. Then again, I've looked at the 3 as potential next cars. It's just funny to hear them directly competing, as the XT is much larger
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Interesting. Then again, I've looked at the 3 as potential next cars. It's just funny to hear them directly competing, as the XT is much larger
Haha I know. I was thinking the same thing. I do like the size of the XT but I dunno. All of them have their positives and negatives for me. Tough choice.
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You do realize the XT isn't going to be particularly fast, right?
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:54 PM   #2297
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You do realize the XT isn't going to be particularly fast, right?
And costs much more to operate. I'm done with Premium. Until the new WRX is out!
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You do realize the XT isn't going to be particularly fast, right?
Neither are the ms3 or ST. I think all 3 are good DD with more than average acceleration. That's what they were all made for.
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Neither are the ms3 or ST. I think all 3 are good DD with more than average acceleration. That's what they were all made for.
Depends what you call fast but the MS3 should be a full 1 sec quicker 0-60 than the XT. These aren't even similar cars so not sure why we are comparing them.
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And costs much more to operate. I'm done with Premium. Until the new WRX is out!
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