Subaru Road Race Team Update Live on Speed2

[werks04]

Can this team ever get a break? Turner motorsports m3 just rammed us off the ****ing course. m3 was served a penatly. Coverage is on Speed2.com with no commercials. Scoobs has bad damage but still on track.

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[Navendra94]

those bastards...

[Korvint]

I was there, sucked ass. They were running in the top 5 all day long and got rammed by a Turner BMW M3 on the number 1 turn. I got good pictures of the SRRT car that i'll post up later.

[Korvint]

So today was the season ender for the Grand Am series of racing which included the Subaru Road Racing Team. If you don't know much about it there are 4 divisions in the Grand Am series, Street tuning (ST), Grand Sport (GS), Grand Touring(GT) and Daytona Prototype (DP).

GS division engines are tuned to produce between 350 and 405 HP and includes audi S4, bMW M3, Porsche 997, Camaro, Mustang Boss 302R, Aston Martin Vantage, and of course Subaru WRX STI.

GS top speed is approximately 160 mph
weight is 2,900 to 3,000 lbs
fuel take capacity is 19 to 20 gallons

I'm not a follower and this is the first time seeing SRRT live but i have seen then on TV (SPEED) a couple of times before, so i don't know that much about them. There are many camaros, M3s, Fords and Aston Martins but only one STI in the division.

Since the HP is limited the only real power mods are basically a Stage 2 which would get them to around 350 HP and 370 tq at the crank which is what they advertise. They also dropped the weight to 3,000 lbs not including driver. Other things include perrin inlet, invidia N1 exhaust i believe, some CAI, crawford AOS, DBA rotors, brembo front and stock rear calipers, gold reflective tape but not a heat shield or turbo blanket (not sure why since they are using tape which is not as good by itself), and stock STI intercooler, and i'm sure turbo. They have the fuel cell in the trunk and they moved the battery somewhere else but not in the engine compartment. They have air ducts in the front fog light holes. They have a ron davis radiator.

I think people should support them more in general as they are the only subaru team in road racing and i don't think they get much love. They do well given the other types of cars in the division when everyone else is at least running a 6 cyl.



one of the drivers Bret (profile with blond short hair)


other driver Andrew with glasses






after race with damage to the back. They don't use stockers while racing but not sure why they have these rims on. See first image for racing rims.

[Korvint]

M3 that rammed them and took them out of the race in the last 30 min. They were in 5th position at the time and were in the top 5 almost the entire race.

[Navendra94]

damn M3... The little Subaru was kicking ass compared to these praised sports cars... SRRT is actually really good . I'd love to see Subaru make a return to the WRC to be honest.

[Jack ffr1846]

A sad ending to a great run before Boris Said took them out. We were on the hill rooting for the Subaru and as someone who has many, many days on track at Lime Rock, I can say that they had the track down and came up the learning curve in very little time. The Turner guys are also very experienced at LRP, so getting by them was quite the feat. I felt the Subie was being quite conservative thoughout the runtime and gained positions with careful moves to get by without incident. We couldn't see from our vantage point what happened (was in Big Bend entrance).

I see a bright future for this little Subaru team.

Don't hate the Turner team, though. It was racing and things happen. <jack glares at KFoote anyways>

[werks04]

I really do as well. I'm surprised they don't have more funding from Subaru of America. It seems it would pay off big dividends if they would pump more money into the team. SRRT gets a decent amount of exposure on TV. I cant wait till next season...what to watch now?

[Guardian-X-]

Suprised to see it looks very conservative under the hood. Still running the top mount i/c etc. You see all these insane builds pass arround but then a full pledged racing team using a much more stock looking setup than most people do on the street. Nice to see that racing is not about all-out power but engine responsiveness, very well tuned suspension etc.

Wish them all the best in their future races!

[Korvint]

I don't know all the rules of Grand-Am but i'm not sure what they are allowed to change. It maybe that they need to keep to mainly stock like keeping the turbo and engine but allowed to change suspension and other add ons. Remember they are limited to 350 to 405 HP in their class so i'm sure they are there with their tune and add ons. M3 stock is over 410 HP i think so i'm not sure if they cut back on the power to compete in this level. The next level up is 6 and 8 cyl and 400 to 450 HP. I think its more about driver and team rather than out muscling the competition.

[Mike.J]

Why are they runnning (heavy) stock wheels?

I'd love to follow/support them but Subaru has all but spit in the faces of motorsports fans.

[kos]

I would guess the stock wheels are to move the car around on, as pushing a car with giant ass slicks is no fun

I also see them doing well in the future, they looked very strong this year in numerous races and just had some bad luck.

[bslate3]

I'm looking forward to seeing them next race next year at COTA in Austin! It's about time Texas got something besides nascar junk.

[biknman]

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Is that a dry sump oil tank I spy in there, but I don't see the pump on the motor anywhere. More than likely it may be a gear oil cooler / pump setup for the rear diff since they've had issue with it in the past. Or maybe a fuel surge tank? Hum...... interesting?

[Korvint]

User Kfoote posted this up in the grand-am thread. this is what the SRRT team is running other than the stock stuff. So they are running aftermarket pistons and turbo.

http://www.grand-am.com/Portals/0/Im...egulations.pdf

Subaru WRX STi GS
Final Drive: 3.9
Fuel capacity: 23
Weight: 2975
Tire size 275/35/18.
Maximum boost: 2485 MBAR Absolute
Must comply with section 7 - 6 of Sports Car Challenge Regulations.

Approved Modifications
Caliper upgrade as per rules.
Battery may be re-located to position over rear axle.
Fuel Cell.
Permitted TGV delete.

Permitted replacement components
1. Piston, Part # S2 STI CP, Crawford Performance, Phone # (760) 631 - 2927
2. Air inlet box, part # AP-GH-111, Agency Power, Phone # 480-921-7422
3. Rear control arm, part # # AP-GH-200, Agency Power, Phone # 480-921-7422
4. Subaru supplied lower chassis brace. Part # SOA8431120.
5. Rear toe adjuster, part # 09-STI-001, Phoenix Performance, Phone # 610- 482-0141
6. Exhaust, part # 09-STI-002. Phoenix Performance, Phone # 610- 482-0141
7. May use Bosch ECU. Contact Bosch, Phone # (248) 876-2137
8. An aftermarket solenoid controlled valve may be installed in the pressure line to the actuator control for the wastegate.
9. Permitted Blouch 1.5 X-TR Turbo.
10. May use Aluminum Subaru Hood part number 57229FG0209P.
11. Permitted Siebon Carbon Hood, Deck lid and Rear Spoiler.

[Matt Monson]

In fact they are one of the only teams in the whole series who can legally run replacement pistons. Most of their competition has to run sealed stock street engines. And the tune and replacement turbo are also huge rules allowances as well.

[kfoote]

I missed this thread last week.

I didn't see much, as I was in the pits, but I thought it was the 96 car with Auberlen driving that hit the Subaru. Bill hit someone on a self admittedly overagressive move, and not only did he feel bad about it, but it took him out of contention as well.

On the rules, the prep allowed in GS and ST is not very much. To give you an idea of how stock things are required to be, most cars have to run not only stock engine internals, but also the stock air box, and many cars have a restrictor on the intake.


The only reason the stock wheels would be on the car is for transport. Another potential reason for having those tires and wheels on the car for transport is that they may have a short wheel and tire package on them to get it to fit in the trailer. For the Turner M3's, we have to remove the roof antena that is where the hole is on the rear center of the roof to get the car to fit into the trailer.

[dwx]

They would have to run a larger turbo to be anywhere near the HP levels of some of their competition. I think they are limited to around 21psi of boost, which isn't much on a 1.5-XTR. Are they restricted to using pump gas?

[kfoote]

Originally Posted by dwx

They would have to run a larger turbo to be anywhere near the HP levels of some of their competition. I think they are limited to around 21psi of boost, which isn't much on a 1.5-XTR. Are they restricted to using pump gas?

All cars in all 4 Grand-Am classes use a spec Sunoco 98 octane race fuel very similar to what is run in NASCAR.

The STi runs a lot more boost than stock, and got a slight boost increase to 2537 MBar (about 36.8 psi) before the Lime Rock event.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by dwx

They would have to run a larger turbo to be anywhere near the HP levels of some of their competition. I think they are limited to around 21psi of boost, which isn't much on a 1.5-XTR. Are they restricted to using pump gas?

You've got to love the politics. They'll give the Subaru all these concessions but they blockaded the Caymans for 2 years and still the Caymans were top 10 in every race they ever ran, running 400hp against 500hp v8s.

But that's ok. They finally let the Carrera go with the 3.8l DI this and we got the drivers, team and manufacturer's champsionships. Muahahahaha?!?!?!

[dwx]

Originally Posted by kfoote

All cars in all 4 Grand-Am classes use a spec Sunoco 98 octane race fuel very similar to what is run in NASCAR.

The STi runs a lot more boost than stock, and got a slight boost increase to 2537 MBar (about 36.8 psi) before the Lime Rock event.

Usually MBar includes atmospheric pressure, so it would be 1.537Bar above atmospheric which is around 22.5PSI, depending on altitude and whatnot. 36.8PSI of boost would be impressive.

[04trailsti]

Originally Posted by Matt Monson

You've got to love the politics. They'll give the Subaru all these concessions but they blockaded the Caymans for 2 years and still the Caymans were top 10 in every race they ever ran, running 400hp against 500hp v8s.

But that's ok. They finally let the Carrera go with the 3.8l DI this and we got the drivers, team and manufacturer's champsionships. Muahahahaha?!?!?!

Same with the Camaros they give them so much more leeway to make them competitive.
From what Ive been told its also a power to weight ratio battle, and subaru chooses to go the lightweight aporoach.

[Matt Monson]

Originally Posted by 04trailsti

Same with the Camaros they give them so much more leeway to make them competitive.
From what Ive been told its also a power to weight ratio battle, and subaru chooses to go the lightweight aporoach.

Grand Am has got some serious issues. Basically the Mustangs and Camaros are factory efforts. Hell, the Camaros go to Riley as bodies in white for seam welding and cages and get built from the ground up as a racecar. And don't get me started on those Aston Martins.

A lot of the other teams, by comparison, buy a street car from a dealership or in some instances even a used car from a private party, and build it into a racecar.