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Old 10-01-2012, 10:45 PM   #51
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Quote was smoke a 600, likely meaning a motorcycle.


My 2 cents; you say stroker and high revving in the same sentence. Let me stop you there. Don't do that, they were not meant to rev high. People will say they do, but the fact of the matter is they weren't designed to do that.

If you want a high revving motor, you don't have to look far; GeneralTJI in Colorado went 11.75@117 on his stock 205 with a custom Holset setup, did a budget build 205 and a larger holset that revved to 8300, and is currently doing a stroked 22t with an even larger BW turbo.

I think you're looking at a transmission (yes, to be fast AND reliable), a built motor of some cause (ASF can guide you there, also Colorado local) with a smart turbo combo (Harvey at BC along with ASF can point you there), and a healthy dose of E85 will get you to your 600 slaying goal.

Or, jump ship and get into an easier platform.
ah ok i didnt think it would be that easy on my pewny little motor.

maybe i should really look into a stoker that doesnt need to rev to high, and talk to a machinist about my heads? im sure they will fail with high power.

harvey is great. i go though Revolutions Perofrmance in the springs they have been great to me. how do you knowall of these coloradans???

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yea each has its own benefits and downfalls sucks sometimes trying to pick the best out of those 3 i always go fast and reliable but thats just me im going built ej257 when i finally get everything together i got so much money already in the car i couldnt justify selling it good luck though no matter what it will be fun i can assure you that
lol i hear ya there. i guess i shouldnt worry too much about money, and exactly man no body gets it, once you cross that line you just cant go back lol.

im really looking into builiding the block ad drivetrain
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ah ok i didnt think it would be that easy on my pewny little motor.

maybe i should really look into a stoker that doesnt need to rev to high, and talk to a machinist about my heads? im sure they will fail with high power.

harvey is great. i go though Revolutions Perofrmance in the springs they have been great to me. how do you knowall of these coloradans???

thankyou



lol i hear ya there. i guess i shouldnt worry too much about money, and exactly man no body gets it, once you cross that line you just cant go back lol.

im really looking into builiding the block ad drivetrain
Don't be mistaken, the stock 205 isn't bombproof. It's been reliable to 350whp/wtq or whatever, and has gone higher than that if people lean into them. The rods are the weak point, and spun bearings are a reality.

Colorado guys are easy to keep track of because making power at altitude is tough. GeneralTJI is a wagon mafia member and ran holset's (double fan), ASF has been contributing to intake manifold development as well as coming in with shop cars lately, and Harvey is the only tuner I hear of out there.

Fun way that I've seen work: 207 heads with small tomei cam's, 2.1 bottom end (2.5 crank, normal rods, stroker pistons), functional AVCS and a large turbo. It went to 8k everyday and survived some pretty aggressive tuning strategies. Bottom end torque and a lot of top end!

Call Harvey or ASF if you wanna stay local, or MPS if you want a bit of distance, but from what I've seen, the best. They'll get you a motor that can/will spin to 8.5 (2.1 stroker), or 9+ (destroked 2.5). If you get a turbo large enough to hold that far out on either motor, 600's won't be worth your fuel...
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so it seems that after all the research i do, everything leads back to a v8 swap.

2.1l stroker great for combustion and fairly cheap
2.5l hybrid great for displacement and fairly cheap

however both with need serious machine work and no matter what will need a new trans to handle the power.

a v8 swap you would get around that price but with brakes and a trans
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Don't be mistaken, the stock 205 isn't bombproof. It's been reliable to 350whp/wtq or whatever, and has gone higher than that if people lean into them. The rods are the weak point, and spun bearings are a reality.

Colorado guys are easy to keep track of because making power at altitude is tough. GeneralTJI is a wagon mafia member and ran holset's (double fan), ASF has been contributing to intake manifold development as well as coming in with shop cars lately, and Harvey is the only tuner I hear of out there.

Fun way that I've seen work: 207 heads with small tomei cam's, 2.1 bottom end (2.5 crank, normal rods, stroker pistons), functional AVCS and a large turbo. It went to 8k everyday and survived some pretty aggressive tuning strategies. Bottom end torque and a lot of top end!

Call Harvey or ASF if you wanna stay local, or MPS if you want a bit of distance, but from what I've seen, the best. They'll get you a motor that can/will spin to 8.5 (2.1 stroker), or 9+ (destroked 2.5). If you get a turbo large enough to hold that far out on either motor, 600's won't be worth your fuel...
thankyou for everything!

a destroked 2.5 would be so amazing lol
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Await constructive comments on how you can beat 600 cc street bikes. I think if you reread what your goal is you would be upset/scratching your head, going to bed. How much power do you believe you need to compete on the highway with a 600cc bike?
450whp should beat a 600cc bike..500 would easily walk a bike to about 120

so like I said a V8 swap with a 30r or 35r if your all about highway runs(which I alsome you do since you get beat by hondas) will meet your goals and will cost about 10k after you sell your parts. Will it last forever?..no of course not but people def seem to have better luck with these motors with common sense in mind...Not running max power all the time, maintence, good tune, good gas, ect.
Then by the time you get bored with that setup you can think about a motor build and you'll already have the best heads subaru ever made and AVCS, 6-speed, r180, brembo, better axles....


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cant beat hondas (random ones i guess) so i need an evo........wait no i am lowering my sights to beating 600cc street bikes on the highway.
Your being such a tool bro.....why dont you do the OP a favor and just stop commenting. Your posts are a joke
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Old 10-02-2012, 04:39 AM   #57
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you just dont read do you? your so ignorant and so errogant that it litterally blinds you.

I SAID 600's!!!! like motorcycles

not 600whp cars. i NEVER threw that in there.

RE READ MY QUESTION AT THE BEGINNING YOU FVCKING MORON!!!!

im asking what is a better platform!!!!!!

a 2.1 stroker
a 2.2 stroker
a v8 swap
a v7 swap
a 257 swap

WHAT!? out of those what might you reccommend!!!!!

i honestly dont even know why im replying to you, im sure your just another teenage kid that thinks hes swole.
A better platform, i.e. a different car. An evo 9 will get you 400whp on E85 on the stock engine AND turbo (with supporting mods of course).

I've had a built bugeye, spent tens of thousands trying to get a reliable 400+whp out of it. It's. not. Worth. It. Why spend tons of money swapping out everything on a car when you could sell it and get a drastically better car that either has the power you want stock (Z06) or can reach it with basic bolt ons?

Check out my old threads to see all the bs I went through.

Btw, your turbo options do suck. The 18gxt, 20g, and 68hta are all iterations of basically the same turbo, they even all flow pretty damn close to each other... And the 68hta is still the worst one. I'm not sure why your shop would have you try those three??

The power your looking for you need to go rotated with a fully built engine and some great headwork. Particularly since you are at altitude. Instead of dropping 15k+ into your pos old car, buy a new car that has the power or at least the potential to go drastically higher than your goals reliably. An evo 9 is a great platform.

And why are you not on awdpirates.net? If your looking for info on CO peeps that's where you need to be.
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450whp should beat a 600cc bike..500 would easily walk a bike to about 120

so like I said a V8 swap with a 30r or 35r if your all about highway runs(which I alsome you do since you get beat by hondas) will meet your goals and will cost about 10k after you sell your parts. Will it last forever?..no of course not but people def seem to have better luck with these motors with common sense in mind...Not running max power all the time, maintence, good tune, good gas, ect.
Then by the time you get bored with that setup you can think about a motor build and you'll already have the best heads subaru ever made and AVCS, 6-speed, r180, brembo, better axles....



Your being such a tool bro.....why dont you do the OP a favor and just stop commenting. Your posts are a joke
Your thought process is a joke

It is foolish to believe that after seeing the cleanest longblock on a palate you assume in stock form and USED mind you that it will support that easy 450 to 500 hp that you speak of so loosely.

Its cool you are helping him empty his pockets more.....especially after the cash he has wasted; now putting 4-6k on a 207 and now you are telling him he needs 10k more to reach his goal.

It is mind blowing that you dudes believe that a V8 207 will do more than a built 2.1 with non avacs cams and head porting.






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A better platform, i.e. a different car. An evo 9 will get you 400whp on E85 on the stock engine AND turbo (with supporting mods of course).

I've had a built bugeye, spent tens of thousands trying to get a reliable 400+whp out of it. It's. not. Worth. It. Why spend tons of money swapping out everything on a car when you could sell it and get a drastically better car that either has the power you want stock (Z06) or can reach it with basic bolt ons?

Check out my old threads to see all the bs I went through.

Btw, your turbo options do suck. The 18gxt, 20g, and 68hta are all iterations of basically the same turbo, they even all flow pretty damn close to each other... And the 68hta is still the worst one. I'm not sure why your shop would have you try those three??

The power your looking for you need to go rotated with a fully built engine and some great headwork. Particularly since you are at altitude. Instead of dropping 15k+ into your pos old car, buy a new car that has the power or at least the potential to go drastically higher than your goals reliably. An evo 9 is a great platform.

And why are you not on awdpirates.net? If your looking for info on CO peeps that's where you need to be.

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so it seems that after all the research i do, everything leads back to a v8 swap.

2.1l stroker great for combustion and fairly cheap
2.5l hybrid great for displacement and fairly cheap

however both with need serious machine work and no matter what will need a new trans to handle the power.

a v8 swap you would get around that price but with brakes and a trans



2.1 Stroker
Roughly 1300 for crank, rods, bearings
cost to have rotating assembly balenced
cost to have shortblock honed, torque plated
Install of rotating assembly

Heads need to be decked
Inspect and clean up valves
Valve Job
Cam install

Price = roughly, since you probably wont be doing the work yourself....... over $2500 and this is without a turbo, tune, or trans


Hybrid
New oem 257 block
CP Pistons , upgraded rods
balence rotating assembly
assemble block

Heads
match combustion chambers
valve job and inspection
deck the heads
Price = roughly since your shop will be doing the work.....over $2600 and this is with out a turbo or trans, tune, injectors and others items

Cleanest 207 on the Palate (long block only no trans )

Hoping it is not blown up
Install
Timing belt replacement
Avacs Harness
Have the correct ecu
Tune of the top
Misc items to fix on used motor

Price = roughly since your shop will be doing the work......over $4580 not including turbo capable of 500whp , trans, and other ****.

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450whp should beat a 600cc bike..500 would easily walk a bike to about 120

so like I said a V8 swap with a 30r or 35r if your all about highway runs(which I alsome you do since you get beat by hondas) will meet your goals and will cost about 10k after you sell your parts. Will it last forever?..no of course not but people def seem to have better luck with these motors with common sense in mind...Not running max power all the time, maintence, good tune, good gas, ect.
Then by the time you get bored with that setup you can think about a motor build and you'll already have the best heads subaru ever made and AVCS, 6-speed, r180, brembo, better axles....



Your being such a tool bro.....why dont you do the OP a favor and just stop commenting. Your posts are a joke
it really does set me up for a better platform, today im going to really see what my car is worth and just see if buying a newer sti is better idea, and then roll that way.

because atleast i get a new car out of it lol!!!!

still not to big on the evo even as much as i have always loved them and loved how they drive.

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A better platform, i.e. a different car. An evo 9 will get you 400whp on E85 on the stock engine AND turbo (with supporting mods of course).

I've had a built bugeye, spent tens of thousands trying to get a reliable 400+whp out of it. It's. not. Worth. It. Why spend tons of money swapping out everything on a car when you could sell it and get a drastically better car that either has the power you want stock (Z06) or can reach it with basic bolt ons?

Check out my old threads to see all the bs I went through.

Btw, your turbo options do suck. The 18gxt, 20g, and 68hta are all iterations of basically the same turbo, they even all flow pretty damn close to each other... And the 68hta is still the worst one. I'm not sure why your shop would have you try those three??

The power your looking for you need to go rotated with a fully built engine and some great headwork. Particularly since you are at altitude. Instead of dropping 15k+ into your pos old car, buy a new car that has the power or at least the potential to go drastically higher than your goals reliably. An evo 9 is a great platform.

And why are you not on awdpirates.net? If your looking for info on CO peeps that's where you need to be.
i was thinking the same it really does push me out to far from what im looking to do price wise. i know that guys that run fmics e85 and fp greens out here are definatley making 400whp. i just need to man up

yeah man im on pirates! im geting good info there as well. you a member?

and honestly that turbo does great for me its really my little ej205 that is my problem.


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2.1 Stroker
Roughly 1300 for crank, rods, bearings
cost to have rotating assembly balenced
cost to have shortblock honed, torque plated
Install of rotating assembly

Heads need to be decked
Inspect and clean up valves
Valve Job
Cam install

Price = roughly, since you probably wont be doing the work yourself....... over $2500 and this is without a turbo, tune, or trans


Hybrid
New oem 257 block
CP Pistons , upgraded rods
balence rotating assembly
assemble block

Heads
match combustion chambers
valve job and inspection
deck the heads
Price = roughly since your shop will be doing the work.....over $2600 and this is with out a turbo or trans, tune, injectors and others items

Cleanest 207 on the Palate (long block only no trans )

Hoping it is not blown up
Install
Timing belt replacement
Avacs Harness
Have the correct ecu
Tune of the top
Misc items to fix on used motor

Price = roughly since your shop will be doing the work......over $4580 not including turbo capable of 500whp , trans, and other ****.

this is actually great information. thanks doc oc

i dont mind the idea of a 2.1l

but i would MUCH rather see a 2.3l Destroker.

i really love the idea of an insane high redline.
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here less then 10k and you have a whole nother car. this is not mine btw.

http://holland.craigslist.org/cto/3302807993.html
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it really does set me up for a better platform, today im going to really see what my car is worth and just see if buying a newer sti is better idea, and then roll that way.

because atleast i get a new car out of it lol!!!!

still not to big on the evo even as much as i have always loved them and loved how they drive.



i was thinking the same it really does push me out to far from what im looking to do price wise. i know that guys that run fmics e85 and fp greens out here are definatley making 400whp. i just need to man up

yeah man im on pirates! im geting good info there as well. you a member?

and honestly that turbo does great for me its really my little ej205 that is my problem.





this is actually great information. thanks doc oc

i dont mind the idea of a 2.1l

but i would MUCH rather see a 2.3l Destroker.

i really love the idea of an insane high redline.
From seeing what MPS and 3MI have said, most people wouldn't actually be happy with something like that. It takes a lot of headwork ($), a huge turbo (matching fuel system) and a oil setup that is pretty extravagant to make sense that high up in the rev range. Not to mention the lack of torque.
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it really does set me up for a better platform, today im going to really see what my car is worth and just see if buying a newer sti is better idea, and then roll that way.

because atleast i get a new car out of it lol!!!!

still not to big on the evo even as much as i have always loved them and loved how they drive.



i was thinking the same it really does push me out to far from what im looking to do price wise. i know that guys that run fmics e85 and fp greens out here are definatley making 400whp. i just need to man up

yeah man im on pirates! im geting good info there as well. you a member?

and honestly that turbo does great for me its really my little ej205 that is my problem.





this is actually great information. thanks doc oc

i dont mind the idea of a 2.1l

but i would MUCH rather see a 2.3l Destroker.

i really love the idea of an insane high redline.
your welcome,

you can obtain that high redline with head porting and going to shimmless buckets. Depending on how high, valvetrain compnents come into play; or dont spin that high and find a turbo that will fit your powerband.

I am chosing to spin, because the turbos that i have in mind probably will not make full boost until 5000rpm.
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your welcome,

you can obtain that high redline with head porting and going to shimmless buckets. Depending on how high, valvetrain compnents come into play; or dont spin that high and find a turbo that will fit your powerband.

I am chosing to spin, because the turbos that i have in mind probably will not make full boost until 5000rpm.
Ah ok so even on a stock 2.0???

Should i look into sleeves.


The main reason why i like HIGH redline is because i can pull on the highway much better which i love.

The other reason is yes a huge amount of turbo lag. But you have plenty of redline left at higher rpm.


I want a turbo like a 30r and a great redline of anything above 8,000rpm with some reliability.


Whp is important to me. But it comes second to a proper build.


What about head work? It seems like you know alot there. The thing that concerns me is that i see EVERY day someone is posting about their cracked 2.0heads. About a year ago mine were off the car. But now i run 22psi
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A better platform, i.e. a different car. An evo 9 will get you 400whp on E85 on the stock engine AND turbo (with supporting mods of course).

I've had a built bugeye, spent tens of thousands trying to get a reliable 400+whp out of it. It's. not. Worth. It. Why spend tons of money swapping out everything on a car when you could sell it and get a drastically better car that either has the power you want stock (Z06) or can reach it with basic bolt ons?

Check out my old threads to see all the bs I went through.

Btw, your turbo options do suck. The 18gxt, 20g, and 68hta are all iterations of basically the same turbo, they even all flow pretty damn close to each other... And the 68hta is still the worst one. I'm not sure why your shop would have you try those three??

The power your looking for you need to go rotated with a fully built engine and some great headwork. Particularly since you are at altitude. Instead of dropping 15k+ into your pos old car, buy a new car that has the power or at least the potential to go drastically higher than your goals reliably. An evo 9 is a great platform.

And why are you not on awdpirates.net? If your looking for info on CO peeps that's where you need to be.
Listen to this guy.

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you should really look in proven power section and, built motor section. GeneralTJ, Rexblake, Fuji K, Nitros, and a few others have experince with built motors and 2.0l variants. Search proven power section for "get stroked" thread. Concillian is also a very good source of knowledge as is Soobaviator. UK Wagon and uncle scotty know good amounts as well.Search these guys.

Research and read Vlads EJ207 threads and Token Negro's main EJ207 thread.

The cracks that you are refering to with the 205 heads are common, but better explained by others as all i know is that is coincides with probably over torquing the spark plugs.


I am not the best helping new guys as most of time, i can be a prick.

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you should really look in proven power section for, built motor section. GeneralTJ, Rexblake, Fuji K, Nitros, and a few others have experince with built motors and 2.0l variants. Search proven power section for "get stroked" thread. Concillian is also a very good source of knowledge as is Soobaviator. Search these guys.

Research and read Vlads EJ207 threads and the main EJ207 thread.

The cracks that you are refering to with the 205 heads are common, but better explained by others as all i know is that is coincides with probably over torquing the spark plugs.

I come off as an ass.......i have a hard time helping new guys.

ok i was actually just looking at it and yes there is some serious good info.


the only thing that worries me as it seems almost the same as going to a 2.5l but BOTH have there pros and cons


hey man its all good, we are here now and your helping me out. no worries. i appreciate your time though.

why have you yourself looked into a 2.1?
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every route is going to have it's pros and cons. just find what suits what you want best with what you're willing to compromise.

going back to your original post, you may simply be chasing something unattainable at a reasonable cost.

really, ask yourself... am I enhancing the strengths of this chassis, or am I trying to change it into something it's not? Is there a better platform to start with that has what I want?

of course this is all subjective. some people's whole motivation in modifying cars is just to make things different. again, going back to your first post, it seems like you're trying to make your car more like an evo. pehaps you should get an evo and spend money enhancing the strengths. The very same strengths you're trying to create in your wrx which is clearly an uphill battle that your wallet will lose to eventually.
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every route is going to have it's pros and cons. just find what suits what you want best with what you're willing to compromise.

going back to your original post, you may simply be chasing something unattainable at a reasonable cost.

really, ask yourself... am I enhancing the strengths of this chassis, or am I trying to change it into something it's not? Is there a better platform to start with that has what I want?

of course this is all subjective. some people's whole motivation in modifying cars is just to make things different. again, going back to your first post, it seems like you're trying to make your car more like an evo. pehaps you should get an evo and spend money enhancing the strengths. The very same strengths you're trying to create in your wrx which is clearly an uphill battle that your wallet will lose to eventually.
yeah you have a great point man, i just need to suck it up SERIOUSLY!!!!!


however

I think what just made me get sold on the whole EVO vs STI thing

was the god damn DCCD of all things. SERIOUSLY

evos are a ****ing joke on loose conditions i spent all day with them I COULD NO BELIEVE IT, its like no matter what you have to power out of corners and it feels like your drifting the whole time.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:58 AM   #70
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Read the link below
http://www.i-club.com/forums/engine-...-build-215024/


At the moment i am on hold with the 2.1l as i do not have a second car to use, cant stand to be down at the time, and have no idea how my block or heads look to the trained eye.

I have no worries on the intergity of my motor even at the milage and power level i am at, but until i get a report on how the heads and cylinders look i wll buy no parts.

Additionally, i am looking into porting the cylinder heads. The motor is going to be out, and i would rather not work in reverse and do porting "later".

I am sticking with the 5mt because i know how to drive it. It has seen stock turbo, 18g , and OG Green all on stock clutch at psi levels of 23-25.

I am trying to decide whether hta green or the old red would be more my style as i am looking for full boost no later than 5000rpm, with rev limit of 8000rpm. Power wise i am looking to make solid 420-450 on meth.
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Do u want a race car pr a daily driver? If u want more power. Park it and buy a beater honda. Build an engine from the ground up do it right the first time. Invest in forged internals then u can spin it to 9000 if u want to amd push an ass load of boost. That way if i ever want more power u know its reliable enough to handle it. It has 130,000 miles on it. Any car with that many miles on it with boost is always a ticking time bomb to an extent. Your going to need a rebuild eventally. The power potential from a flat four is extreme with the right parts and rhe right stack of cash...the main advantage to a flat 4 is its low center of gravity in the car. Not nessicarily the amount of power it can make. And the allwheel drive is the obvious advantage. If u want any car to be fast u have to pay. Even with an evo
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Read the link below
http://www.i-club.com/forums/engine-...-build-215024/


At the moment i am on hold with the 2.1l as i do not have a second car to use, cant stand to be down at the time, and have no idea how my block or heads look to the trained eye.

I have no worries on the intergity of my motor even at the milage and power level i am at, but until i get a report on how the heads and cylinders look i wll buy no parts.

Additionally, i am looking into porting the cylinder heads. The motor is going to be out, and i would rather not work in reverse and do porting "later".

I am sticking with the 5mt because i know how to drive it. It has seen stock turbo, 18g , and OG Green all on stock clutch at psi levels of 23-25.

I am trying to decide whether hta green or the old red would be more my style as i am looking for full boost no later than 5000rpm, with rev limit of 8000rpm. Power wise i am looking to make solid 420-450 on meth.
You're crooning on and on about being goofy or misinformed, then say doing a RED is a good idea? Rotate. With that said, your link is a a great resource on how to build a 2.1. Concillian is a huge proponent of smart money; I learned a lot from his posts over the years.

OP, a 30r past 8k will be a waste. Move larger or don't bother spinning that high.
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Rotate for what reason

For my budget, rotated is not an option. Additionally, i am very happy with stock location. Even if i had the 3 grand to go rotated that 3 would be put into a transmission.

The budget does not allow for new fmic piping, a rotated turbo, rotated up pipe, rotated dp. And even if my budget allowed for such parts......what would that achieve? I am looking for no more than 450, and stock location Red (65 lb/min) can do that.

There are other areas of my car that require attention as well, not just in the engine bay. I have a power goal, my driving is backroads and i have plent of them and highway (on ramp, straight line pulls). The extra displacement coupled with the red, meth and tune is the plan.

I do not autocross, street race, or visit dynos.
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somebody is seriously l00py-d00p here......
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You're crooning on and on about being goofy or misinformed, then say doing a RED is a good idea? Rotate. With that said, your link is a a great resource on how to build a 2.1. Concillian is a huge proponent of smart money; I learned a lot from his posts over the years.

OP, a 30r past 8k will be a waste. Move larger or don't bother spinning that high.
Besides clocking that turbo at a different angle, and having a bit more turbo options (not cheap options mind you $1800 and up) why would i need to rotate?

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