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Old 10-01-2012, 12:51 AM   #1
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Default Have cobb stage 1, thinking about torqued performance

Worth it?

Some people say it is even safer for your car than the Cobb stage 1 tune. How is this? The Cobb runs less boost.


I already have the accessport so would I need anything else for the torqued performance tune?

Also, what happens if I ever want to go back to stock? I understand the Cobb makes a backup of your stock tune, but would using the accessport with the TP somehow erase my stock tune? If I wanted to go back to stock, how would I do that using the AP if I used the AP to get the TP tune on my car?
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Old 10-01-2012, 01:27 AM   #2
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There is a million threads on this already...

TP is supposed to be more aggressive but still "safe". People that have switched tend to like it better over the Cobb map. Also, Eric ( I believe thats his name) at TP will tailor the tune for you if you send him logs to fix any spots that need touching up.

And no, it should not erase your stock tune from the AP...you can load whatever maps you would like on it so you could keep the TP, Cobb and stock tune all on at once.


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Old 10-01-2012, 01:50 AM   #3
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I did a search through Google. Wanted to just get some clarification. Most people say tp is much better, but don't say why.

Thanks
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:00 AM   #4
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open source is better and cheaper. about 100 for the tactrix cable if your going to get the tp tune and plus the cost of tune. No need to spend 500 for a AP if your just going to get a OTS stage 1 tp tune.
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Old 10-01-2012, 02:07 AM   #5
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I already have the ap though.
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Old 10-01-2012, 09:53 AM   #6
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Fill our your profile so we at least know what car you're running.

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Old 10-01-2012, 09:36 PM   #7
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Ok I downloaded the cobb accesstuner race software. Now if I buy the torqued performance stage 1 tune, is it pretty easy to get on my car through the cobb accessport? I can't seem to find instructions anywhere.
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Old 10-01-2012, 09:43 PM   #8
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Ok I downloaded the cobb accesstuner race software. Now if I buy the torqued performance stage 1 tune, is it pretty easy to get on my car through the cobb accessport? I can't seem to find instructions anywhere.
These are all great questions for Eric at TP. Just go to their website and the contact info. He will help with everything. I went from Cobb OTS stage 1 to Eric's TP stage 1 and like it much better. Absolutely zero knock events and very linear power delivery. No more hesitation under boost.

I chose TP because he will tailor the maps as you add more parts. Obviously there will be an additional charge but it is minimal compared to a pro tune. I feel it is safer having the tune custom fit to the car rather than an all in one tune to accommodate everyone.

As for going through the accessrace software, all you have to do is file open, choose the map from your hard drive, file save, then load to your AP. if you have ever used a computer and flash drive then yes it's easy. Eric uses the software as a sort of DRM to protect his maps from being copied and distributed.
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Old 10-01-2012, 09:47 PM   #9
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These are all great questions for Eric at TP. Just go to their website and the contact info. He will help with everything. I went from Cobb OTS stage 1 to Eric's TP stage 1 and like it much better. Absolutely zero knock events and very linear power delivery. No more hesitation under boost.

I chose TP because he will tailor the maps as you add more parts. Obviously there will be an additional charge but it is minimal compared to a pro tune. I feel it is safer having the tune custom fit to the car rather than an all in one tune to accommodate everyone.

As for going through the accessrace software, all you have to do is file open, choose the map from your hard drive, file save, then load to your AP. if you have ever used a computer and flash drive then yes it's easy. Eric uses the software as a sort of DRM to protect his maps from being copied and distributed.

I emailed him over 8 hours ago. I heard he replies very quick, but that hasn't been the case for me.

torquedperformance@yahoo.com right?
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Old 10-01-2012, 09:59 PM   #10
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Looks correct. He is usually quite good as replying quickly. If you don't hear back by tomorrow night I would just give him a call. He is very friendly and willing to help out with all questions.

http://torquedperformance.com/contactus.sc
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:22 PM   #11
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Appreciate it, thanks.

I guess I'll ask a couple questions here that I asked him in the email. My current cobb tune has a target boost of 14.5 and his has a target of 18. That's a significant difference. What happens when temps here drop below 30 degrees and it's still hitting 18 psi? That seems like it could easily blow the motor.

And from what I've heard, his tune is just as safe or even more safe than the cobb 91 tune. How is that possible if the boost is turned up a few psi? And I'm in california so 91 crappy gas only, so I'm worried about tons of knock on 18 psi.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:36 PM   #12
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You need to talk to eric personally. His phone number is on his web site and yes he usually responds to emails pretty quick. I talk to him alot and he it's very helpful even with issues not regarding his map. If he doesn't respond to your email soon then just give him a call.

But remember that it is not just about the extra boost. There is so much more in a tune then boost. cobb is a one size fits all map, where as eric's maps are more of an e-tune. adjusted to your car if needed once you send him logs.

His tune feels better in every way compared to the cobb tune imho... Just all around better driving, smoother, better mpg, more power and so on.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:49 PM   #13
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Appreciate it, thanks.

I guess I'll ask a couple questions here that I asked him in the email. My current cobb tune has a target boost of 14.5 and his has a target of 18. That's a significant difference. What happens when temps here drop below 30 degrees and it's still hitting 18 psi? That seems like it could easily blow the motor.

And from what I've heard, his tune is just as safe or even more safe than the cobb 91 tune. How is that possible if the boost is turned up a few psi? And I'm in california so 91 crappy gas only, so I'm worried about tons of knock on 18 psi.
To answer these, you send him logs and he adjusts for your current run conditions. Once he has your car dialed in you send him seasonal logs to readjust for the new conditions. So he will adjust the tune for the lower temps, lower quality winter gas, etc.

His log will take into account your local gas, temps, elevation, everything. It is tailored to your car in your environment. That's why it is better than a Cobb OTS map. They made their map to run on every car in every condition he makes his map to only run on yours.

Make sense? Lets put it this way, if his 18 psi target boost maps were blowing motors, don't you think this forum would erupt with threads about it? There are no threads like that for a reason, Eric is a very competent tuner.
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Old 10-01-2012, 10:53 PM   #14
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this is the email i used and get very fast responses..
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:39 PM   #15
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this is the email i used and get very fast responses..
Thanks. He replied quickly from that email.

I just asked him what the next steps would be to get the tune on my car using the cobb ap. Waiting reply...
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:51 PM   #16
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Thanks. He replied quickly from that email.

I just asked him what the next steps would be to get the tune on my car using the cobb ap. Waiting reply...
just load the map in accesstuner race and save it on to your accessport. reflash, and enjoy!
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:56 PM   #17
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Does torqued performance offer tunes for an 02? Their site only gives options for 2008+
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Old 10-01-2012, 11:57 PM   #18
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just load the map in accesstuner race and save it on to your accessport. reflash, and enjoy!

So when I buy the map from the site, at first I just get a map that's designed for any car right? Then I send him logs and then he sends me updated maps?

And how exactly do you load the map onto accesstuner and then to the accessport? Will loading this map on the accessport somehow delete my save stock tune on the accessport?
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:07 AM   #19
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Yup, it's going to delete your stock tune and you will NEVER get it back...


I already said it won't. You can have all the maps on there you would like. Yes, throw the TP stg 1 map on there for a 2012. Run logs, upload them and send them to Eric. He will adjust if need be and send back a fixed map. Put that on the AP (no it won't delete your stock tune map). Run more logs and repeat until it's good to go.
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:11 AM   #20
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1) You purchase his stage 1 OTS map
2) you then get a download link in your email
3) download the map off the link
4) open access tuner
5) open the downloaded map
6) then simply save map
7) load accessport manager
8) connect to the accessport
9) click the button to load map onto the accessport
10) select the TP stage 1 map, save to accesport
11) go to your car, reflash the TP stage 1 map, drive your car take a datalog and send it to eric.

If your map needs some tweaking he will do it.
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:14 AM   #21
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Do I need a wideband to run this map or is it pretty safe even without one?
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Old 10-02-2012, 12:17 AM   #22
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I'm starting to think you're better off staying with the Cobb map. Don't touch anything...
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I'm starting to think you're better off staying with the Cobb map. Don't touch anything...
Will do.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:11 AM   #24
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Figured I'd give it a shot. I could always go back to stock or cobb.

About to flash.
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Old 10-02-2012, 01:20 AM   #25
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Got the TP loaded up on my accessport. Do we follow the same directions as if we were flashing a cobb mapp? Turn key to on position, go to "install" on the AP, then click the map?
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