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Old 10-03-2012, 04:07 PM   #126
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Ehhhh...

Buying a car from a dealership rarely means that it's registered and titled instantly.

TITLING the car is what makes it sold/owned/used/what have you.

That paperwork often takes a week or so to fill out.

So no, not necessarily true at all. The blue one could still have been "new" in the eyes of the law, with just a few miles on the odo.

It still sounds pretty stupid all around. Going back to get a different color, BOTH sides failing to note the big change in the bottom line... either the buyer noticed and just hoped to get away with it, or he's stupid and didn't check.
That's possible, but a ton of paperwork still had to have been done to exchange the two cars.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:09 PM   #127
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:10 PM   #128
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Buying a car from a dealership rarely means that it's registered and titled instantly.
In California, it is registered on-line with the DMV before you drive off the lot -- fees paid up front. At least it was last two cars I bought.

What California does seems a little extreme in the other direction from "I promise to pay you. Really."

Doesn't it seem like there should be some sort of consistency from state-to-state in car registration? These separate yet united states make it pretty confusing.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:10 PM   #129
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That's possible, but a ton of paperwork still had to have been done to exchange the two cars.
Not really.

It's not a house. Probably three or four pieces of paper need to be changed out.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:12 PM   #130
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Not really.

It's not a house.
Our house it has a crowd
There's always something happening
And it's usually quite loud
Our mum she's so house-proud
Nothing ever slows her down
And a mess is not allowed
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:20 PM   #131
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I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of scam was the buyer's intention all along.
I don't think it was a scam. I'd guess the dealership DID tell him he would owe 39K, but then gave him papers for 34K, which he signed and immediately came back to pay off w/ cashiers check.

A week later, when they close out the deal, they realize they ****ed up, call the police to try to activate the tracker. Cops say they can't activate the tracker w/o reporting it stolen, so sales manager says, "uhh...sure, it's stolen".
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:22 PM   #132
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He's definitely sending a message









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Old 10-03-2012, 04:22 PM   #133
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Depending on his job, this could seriously screw the guy for a very long time. I hope he gets his money.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:29 PM   #134
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There is so much wrong here... I don't know...

I'm pretty sure in California this couldn't happen.

Sawyer originally purchased a blue Traverse on May 7
So now, with registration filled out by the dealer, money exchanged and receipt issued, Sawyar owns this blue Traverse.

took the SUV back the next day for a black one. The dealer's sales manager made the swap,
What do you mean "swap"? You can't just "swap" cars.
Technically it has to be sold (pretty much as a used car) back to the dealer, the registration has be be transferred and the black car needs to be purchased and registered. I'm thinking four hours, minimum.

Sawyer signed a final contract for around $34,000
When? Obviously when he bought the blue Traverse.
Did he also sign a final contract for the black car? Because he needs to -- different VIN and all...
Dealers have finance people there every minute they are open to read through this stuff before the car goes out the door. That is MULTIPLE people missing this.

The sales manager should have been jailed, or at least fired and made to pay the difference. The finance person should likewise be fired. After all, the main reason they have a finance person on site is because the meat-head car-seller dudes never passed algebra.

It was a super dick-head move arresting the buyer. Seeing as how the report is so poorly written, I assume we're only getting half of this. I'm guessing the guy got called out on the price difference before he ever left the dealership, called back over his shoulder as he was making his escape, "Too bad! I got the receipt and registration!" and sped off.

I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of scam was the buyer's intention all along.
as long as the car wasnt titled...they can sell it again as new...it happened to me...i bought a 2002 WRX and took it back the next day...the car wasnt titled and was still on the lot...i was in that respect...the manager got my car and put the plate back on and away i drove

that afternoon the fiance guy called me saying we didnt have to give you the car back and i should come back and take ownership of it...i said no i didnt like the deal and left regretting it and since i have my old car back im keeping it...they didnt call again
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:46 PM   #135
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Some states do allow a grace period for returning the car. Dont know if you will be charged a restocking fee.
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:49 PM   #136
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Some states do allow a grace period for returning the car. Dont know if you will be charged a restocking fee.
NC is 72 hours and less than 300 miles
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Old 10-03-2012, 04:56 PM   #137
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In California,

yeah.....right....like that matters one lil bit
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:07 PM   #138
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Some states do allow a grace period for returning the car. Dont know if you will be charged a restocking fee.
most everyone always says that...in most cases its not true
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:08 PM   #139
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I know the Chevy and Dodge dealers here in Reno will let you take a car on a "24 hour test drive" where you drive it for a day, see if it fits in your garage, etc. They'll do anything to sell those heaps, I guess.

Dude may have taken the first Traverse home for a day just to flog it and see if he really liked it. Then went back to pick up the one that wasn't beat on for the first 50 miles.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:11 PM   #140
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:15 PM   #141
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Here is what I think people are missing

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On June 15, three Chesapeake police officers arrested Sawyer in his front yard and took him before a magistrate judge. He was released on bond after about four hours at the Chesapeake jail, the suit said.

Commonwealth's Attorney Nancy Parr said her office dropped all charges Aug. 23 after speaking with representatives of the dealership and determining there was insufficient evidence to pursue the case.
So this guy has a permanent record for GTA and was also an arrestee/convicted criminal (in the eyes of anyone who looked) for over 2 months...

That should cost the dealership some coin.



Here the govt registration and insurance is completed (VIN written on contract, license plate assigned and installed, temporary pink insurance card printed and all aforementioned docs given to the buyer) before the car rolls off the lot (at least in 95% of cases, I am sure a late pickup on a Friday afternoon sometimes has paperwork stuffed in an envelope and mailed out or hand-delivered on Saturday or the following Monday). So switching out VIN's would require internal paperwork and other changes. If what the customer did was an overnight test-drive that turned into a sale, then thats different. No idea if it was a bait-and-switch on the part of the dealer or if the customer was trying to evade the $5600 but either way the arrest was way too far. Small claims court or other options were available.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:17 PM   #142
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In California,
yeah.....right....like that matters one lil bit
It matters to the 11.91% of the USA who live there...


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Old 10-03-2012, 05:39 PM   #143
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I hope they lose their 2 million. This is a drop in a bucket for them. I know of a certain priority dealership in my area who's marketing budget alone is 1.3 million a year.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:43 PM   #144
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If I was on a jury hearing this case, where the dealership lied and the police came to his house and hauled him out in cuffs, I would be voting for the customer and giving him 2.2 million.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:47 PM   #145
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Da faq?! A "promissory note?"

"Hey I wanna buy a car. I don't have any money, but I promise to pay you sometime. Probably."

"Sure. Go ahead. You want the Ferrari or the Rolls Royce?"
shocked me too. They ran my credit and I'm sure one of the 99 forms said something like if you don't come with a check within 2 weeks, we'll just go ahead and finance it for you. Hell, they didn't even give a rip about insurance...I had to halt them to make a call to my agent before I left. Very strange that Priority Honda dealership. Salesman's name was Ron and I went from driving onto the lot with a 03 Pilot (transmission was shot....they missed that during trade-in) to driving off in a 11 Pilot in 2 hours. I don't **** around at dealerships. Oh, and EVERY new Honda on the lot had a $1000 to $3000 markup over sticker for "in demand fee" or some such BS.
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Old 10-03-2012, 05:49 PM   #146
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I don't think "frivolous" is the right word.

Punitive, yes.

He got arrested and humiliated, he's pissed. No one says he's gonna get that amount.
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Well, yeah, the dealer sucks, etc. but 2.2 mil?
You're missing Rogue's point, filing the suit period is justified action. Stop fixating on that amount of money because in reality he will be awarded nowhere near that amount. Most likely a few hundred thou at best, but still ahead of the game and teaching that dealership a harsh lesson. Whoever called the police probably already lost his job.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:25 PM   #147
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MJ says he's a smooth criminal
MJ doesn't say anything these days.

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I was under the impression that the dealership had the dude falsely arrested for GTA, then offered to drop the charges in exchange for $5,600.

That's not a threat of a civil lawsuit to collect money owed to them, that's "pay us or we'll make sure you stay in jail" extortion.
The owner of the dealership supposedly found out about it and said they wouldn't go after the $5600 if the buyer would not sue.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:33 PM   #148
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Why would he need his own landscaper? OOHHHHH!
So he can say "Get off my lawn."
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:41 PM   #149
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MJ doesn't say anything these days.



The owner of the dealership supposedly found out about it and said they wouldn't go after the $5600 if the buyer would not sue.
That's not what the lawsuit filed by the buyer states:

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Item 68 of facts: the dealership offered to drop the prosecution in exchange for signing the new contract
So between June 15 and Aug 23, the dealership was pressing criminal charges against the buyer. During that time, they apparently offered to drop the criminal charges in exchange for $5600, which is ironic because (as pj noted) only the police can drop felony charges.

In other words: the dealership was using the pending criminal case (that existed in the first place due to their false reporting of a stolen car) as leverage to extort money from the buyer.
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:41 PM   #150
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2.2 sounds like a good figure. **** the dealership.
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