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Old 10-03-2012, 06:52 PM   #151
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If he could justify a 2.2 million impact on his livlihood, like losing a good job over this x years in lost earnings and pension, I would award him 2.2 million
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:58 PM   #152
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If I call the cops and lie to have someone arrested, when it comes out in the open, the cops will arrest me.



So why has the guy at the dealership who called it in, not been arrested yet?
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Old 10-03-2012, 06:59 PM   #153
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If he could justify a 2.2 million impact on his livlihood, like losing a good job over this x years in lost earnings and pension, I would award him 2.2 million
Its not about what he deserves. Its about setting an example for the future, so dealerships know they can't pull this sort of thing.


2.2mil is a punishment, a big hard lesson for the dealership.


Fine, dont give the guy one penny. But fine the dealership 2.2million.


Either way, that sales manager and likely any sales staff involved are likely unemployed right now
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:00 PM   #154
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Went through a similar situation when I bought my WRX. The dealer gave me the promotional low-interest rate 0.9% or something AND the "cash-back" amount if I elected to use my own financing. The deal was signed and sealed, a few days later I got a call from the dealership claiming the price was incorrect and that I had to sign a new contract with teh adjusted price...No way. Needless to say, the dealership was not very happy with me.
I don't see how dealerships can expect people to sign a new contract after they messed up the old contract.

If the situations were reversed does any dealer update the deal after the fact?

I can see it going pretty simply...

"Oh mr car dealer, I thought I was paying $15500 not $16000, I'd like to sign a new contract."

"Go **** yourself, we have it all in black and white!"
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:06 PM   #155
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shocked me too. They ran my credit and I'm sure one of the 99 forms said something like if you don't come with a check within 2 weeks, we'll just go ahead and finance it for you. Hell, they didn't even give a rip about insurance...I had to halt them to make a call to my agent before I left. Very strange that Priority Honda dealership. Salesman's name was Ron and I went from driving onto the lot with a 03 Pilot (transmission was shot....they missed that during trade-in) to driving off in a 11 Pilot in 2 hours. I don't **** around at dealerships. Oh, and EVERY new Honda on the lot had a $1000 to $3000 markup over sticker for "in demand fee" or some such BS.
I bet the new '13 Accords have a $10,000 markup then. I already saw one near DC trying to get $1k over MSRP
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:31 PM   #156
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If he could justify a 2.2 million impact on his livlihood, like losing a good job over this x years in lost earnings and pension, I would award him 2.2 million
it really could. Nurses are always going to where there is more pay. Having an arrest record in the medical field is very damaging.
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Old 10-03-2012, 07:53 PM   #157
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I bet the new '13 Accords have a $10,000 markup then. I already saw one near DC trying to get $1k over MSRP
Ford came down hard on dealerships for gouging on the 2002 Thunderbirds. That gouging was at least partially responsible for the major backlash from the buying public. Well.. that and the fact the cars were grossly overpriced for what you got. After less than 68,000 total units and just 3.5 years of production, Ford pulled the plug. Mercy killing.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:01 PM   #158
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This isn't a case of a woman spilling hot coffee on herself, or some soccer mom suing a fellow soccer mom because one kid called another kid a mean name. The guy got ****ing arrested. Arrested. For someone else's paperwork blunder.
Wait, 3rd degree burns, because McDonalds ordered all it's franchises to turn up the temp of the coffee to cut down on refills, isn't a big deal, but 4 hours being held is?

I'm all for this dealer being held liable, but don't minimize a case you know nothing about.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:03 PM   #159
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If he could justify a 2.2 million impact on his livlihood, like losing a good job over this x years in lost earnings and pension, I would award him 2.2 million
You don't seem to understand the words damages and punitive.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:40 PM   #160
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But here's why people really hate car dealers:

The average person buys a car only once every several years. Sure, there are exceptions, but for most people, buying a car is a big deal, 2nd only to buying a house. Or if they're renters, the most expensive thing they buy.

Doing business with grease-balls who may or may not have a high-school diploma, yet conduct car-selling transactions several times a month puts the buyer up against experts who take advantage of their familiarity with the process to get the highest possible commission for themselves. The commission incentive for car salesmen is the main reason people hate them so much. Most of the salesmen tend to adopt a condescending cynicism toward the customers, convincing themselves that the customer's unfamiliarity with the process is stupidity. You are not conducting business peer-to-peer; you are being taken advantage of by an idiot. I don't know anybody who feels comfortable in that position.

The salesmen can't understand why the customers obsess over the contract and read all the fine print; they sell cars all the time and they never read it. What's the big deal? The salesman just wants to blow through the process, gouge for as much money as possible, and move on to the next sucker.

The last 6 new cars I've purchased have all had a price pre-arranged before I ever got to the dealership. Before that, the last time I talked to an actual car salesman he started in on his lame attempts at Jedi Mind Tricks to the point where I just got up and walked out. As he followed me out, he was in damage-control mode: "What did I say? I'm sorry. Let's start over!"

I stopped, turned around, looked straight in his face and said in quiet, even tones, "You've blown the sale. I can't believe a single word you say." Then I left.
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When the Saturn brand of GM cars was introduced in 1990, as "A new kind of car company" their main marketing point was "no haggle" pricing. What this meant was
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Essentially the car was being marketed to pussies. There's no way to be polite about it. Spinster secretaries snapped them up like seagulls going after chum. To make matters worse, Saturn held owners' events which were like some sort of watered-down love-in where they all stood around singing Kumbaya and congratulating each other for purchasing a product. The first generation of Saturn buyers made Apple fanboiz look like haters.

I worked with a guy that bought one. He was sucked in by the whole "A new kind of car company" ploy. After a few months he realized he'd just purchased his grandfather's Buick Skylark.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:42 PM   #161
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uh. ok?
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:43 PM   #162
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Anyone who thinks this is worth $2.2M is apart of the problem.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:43 PM   #163
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Wait, 3rd degree burns, because McDonalds ordered all it's franchises to turn up the temp of the coffee to cut down on refills, isn't a big deal, but 4 hours being held is?
You don't know what 3rd degree burns are.
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Anyone who thinks this is worth $2.2M is apart of the problem.
a part of the problem? or apart from the problem?
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:44 PM   #165
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You don't know what 3rd degree burns are.
no, you don't. hint: you can get 3rd degree burns from boiling water. If you try.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:47 PM   #166
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a part of the problem? or apart from the problem?
Of. Awarding this is simply setting a standard for every ****tard out there with a phone book who can look up an attorney. Is it worth taking to court over some serious compensation, absolutely. Is it worth $2.2M, hell no. Wrongful death suits are only worth ~$10M.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:49 PM   #167
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Of. Awarding this is simply setting a standard for every ****tard out there with a phone book who can look up an attorney. Is it worth taking to court over some serious compensation, absolutely. Is it worth $2.2M, hell no. Wrongful death suits are only worth ~$10M.
he prolly wont get the 2.2

we should do a guessing game on how much he will get...i say 500k
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:50 PM   #168
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no, you don't. hint: you can get 3rd degree burns from boiling water. If you try.
You're right; I rescind.
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Old 10-03-2012, 08:52 PM   #169
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he prolly wont get the 2.2

we should do a guessing game on how much he will get...i say 500k
$50k is too much. Give him the car for the price they agreed on and some compensation money and call it a day. The real punishment comes via instant social networking.
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:02 PM   #170
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uh. ok?
He just likes to write stuff. I remember all the Saturn nonsense, and the most amusing thing was that they advertised like they were Volkswagen in the 1960's, and it was really a division of GM.

The largest car company in the world.
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Old 10-03-2012, 09:16 PM   #171
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$50k is too much. Give him the car for the price they agreed on and some compensation money and call it a day. The real punishment comes via instant social networking.
yore doing it wrong...youre supposed to guess how much he will get...not what you think is too much or what you think he should get...silly backtologist
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:01 PM   #172
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yore doing it wrong...youre supposed to guess how much he will get...not what you think is too much or what you think he should get...silly backtologist
I'm guessing at $2.2M it gets thrown out of court. So $0 dollar bucks.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:04 PM   #173
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You're right; I rescind.
:facepalm: I'm a PA.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:17 PM   #174
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$50k is too much. Give him the car for the price they agreed on
**** that. He's got a contract for the price they "officially" agreed on. He isn't responsible for their screw ups.

He bought the car in May.. it isn't like he just walked out of the dealership and drove off hours before they called the cops.
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Old 10-03-2012, 10:19 PM   #175
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**** that. He's got a contract for the price they "officially" agreed on. He isn't responsible for their screw ups.

He bought the car in May.. it isn't like he just walked out of the dealership and drove off hours before they called the cops.
That's what I meant. The initial agreed price. The dealer made the mistake tough luck.

Having said that I would like to see him get the car for free and be done with all this. Millions is bull****.
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