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Old 02-17-2009, 09:00 AM   #1
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I currently have the following mods....

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Cusco H bar
Cusco front and rear strut bars

I've got a p&p evo 16g and sti pinks at the house, just too lazy to install.

Im currently begining to assemble an sti stroker motor, but its no where near complete, and I wanna see what I can get out of the little 2.0 before I pull the plug on it.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:28 AM   #2
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Your missing a header. Stock p&p seem to be the most reliable cost effective solution. Time to hit up grimmspeed. You could also look into an external waste gate setup, however that snow balls into a rather expensive upgrade.
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:05 AM   #3
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Oh yea for got to say that... lol
My exhaust manifolds are already gasket matched.

Do I need to get an after market header?

Not a bad mod list for having the car a little over 2 years..
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:08 AM   #4
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Thats a nice lil setup you got there. I would go for some more suspension stuff like underbraces etc. and make it handle like a go-kart.
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Old 02-17-2009, 11:01 AM   #5
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Looks like my car 2 months ago. I went Super16G though. Depends on if you want to bolt up your turbo or not. I would recommend talking to your tuner about 650 injectors though as they will give you more overhead than pinks and there is NOTHING worse than being injector limited. I vote EWG by Grimmspeed and spin that piece to 22 like I did. FUN CITY! Then when you go 16G you'll be like, "Where's my torques???"
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:17 PM   #6
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your setup is very similar to mine, but Im thinking about a bigger turbo like an sz49 or 20g, +1 for more suspension upgrades
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Old 02-17-2009, 03:12 PM   #7
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put the 16g in, get bigger injectors + meth

30 psi. you have the drive train so why not? im sure the sissies in here will come and cry "oh noez ur motor is only good for 20 psi before it goes kaboom, my tuner told me!! nvm the fact ive never even worked on a car and everything on nasioc is true!"



but for real, no reason not to lean on it and see what it can do if you have a motor in the works to replace it
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Old 02-17-2009, 03:40 PM   #8
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Then when you go 16G you'll be like, "Where's my torques???"
And then about 1.2 seconds later you'll say 'There it is!' as your head hits the seat and you squeal with schoolgirl-like glee
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Old 02-17-2009, 04:55 PM   #9
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Una squeals like a girl?
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Old 02-17-2009, 05:56 PM   #10
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Una squeals like a girl?
Quite frequently. You should see him on Christmas morning, it's kinda sad
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I dont see any forged parts in the internals on your list...if you want to make HUGE boost, and have fun with it, might as well beef up the inside before you blow a rod through your motor and have to start the stroker kit early. 20 psi is about max on a stock block, maybe a lil more. You definately have the tranny to handle the power, but all the internals won't. Thats where my money lies. I'd go with Crower, or Mahle for forged pistons etc.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:48 PM   #12
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sell all the megan and perring stuff, get a bigger turbo. Leave the header alone.
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:12 PM   #13
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I dont see any forged parts in the internals on your list...if you want to make HUGE boost, and have fun with it, might as well beef up the inside before you blow a rod through your motor and have to start the stroker kit early. 20 psi is about max on a stock block, maybe a lil more. You definately have the tranny to handle the power, but all the internals won't. Thats where my money lies. I'd go with Crower, or Mahle for forged pistons etc.

uh dude, at the bottom of my origonal post, says I'm building a 2.5 stroker,
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:41 PM   #14
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I dont see any forged parts in the internals on your list...if you want to make HUGE boost, and have fun with it, might as well beef up the inside before you blow a rod through your motor and have to start the stroker kit early. 20 psi is about max on a stock block, maybe a lil more. You definately have the tranny to handle the power, but all the internals won't. Thats where my money lies. I'd go with Crower, or Mahle for forged pistons etc.
I think you have been slightly misguided,....
over around 22psi most higher mileage engines see some blowby,.... some have run as much as 26-28 on thier stock blocks
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Old 02-18-2009, 02:48 PM   #15
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I think you have been slightly misguided,....
over around 22psi most higher mileage engines see some blowby,.... some have run as much as 26-28 on thier stock blocks
this is true, my best friend, still with his stock block 2.0 with sti pinks, fmic, and evo 16g is pushin 22lbs. with no problem
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Old 02-18-2009, 10:46 PM   #16
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Seriously... your current modlist is sweet. I know I will piss a few people off by writing this, but it is time to pull your mighty might TD04 off of there.

The above statement is all due to my personal taste, but I have never regretted stepping up for a split second. Heck, right now I'm starting to get a little bored with my setup (Deadbolt monster ported and coated regular 16G), and I'm wishing for some more top end. Even if you love low end power, I think the strong midrange along with the improved top end of even a regular 16G will have you smiling. I know some people absolutely swear by the stock turbo, but even the diehards on here have written good things about stepping up. *cough* Unabomber. *cough*

If you do move up, I have to agree with what has been said... get bigger injectors than the pinks- at least 650s. This will give you the ability to get the absolute most out of your 16G, or even move up to an 18G.


Speaking of 18G... If I decided that I really wanted to push my 2.0 liter hard, that's what I would go with; especially with your gearbox and other supporting mods . I've heard a lot of 2.0 people who have worked up to an 18G say they wish they had just done so to begin with. I used to think they were crazy, but now I'm starting to see what they mean. Or maybe I'm just starting to lose my mind.

If you went 18G, it would also be tempting to move up to a good front mount, but a lot of people debate this one. I do know that on the dyno I was tuned on front mount intercooled Subarus with 18Gs and larger variants of 16Gs tend to make a little more power, but I'm not sure it is enough to justify the cost.

Alright, I'll stop rambling. Regardless of what you decide, hopefully that little 2.0 will keep hanging in there.

Edit: If people running 18G 2.0s are crazy, then guy who posted below me is freaking insane. More power to him.

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Old 02-18-2009, 10:54 PM   #17
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I'm currently running a 20g on my car at 21 Psi daily driven and haven't had any problems at all, stock internals
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Old 02-19-2009, 10:12 AM   #18
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You said you have a "Stage 2 tune" and you want to get the most out of your current mods if I read that correctly. My question is do you have a OTS map? If so your biggest bang for the buck with your current mods would have to be a pro-tune. I would love to see what kind of power you could put down.
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Old 02-19-2009, 10:28 AM   #19
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If people running 18G 2.0s are crazy, then guy who posted below me is freaking insane. More power to him.
In the world of turbos, an 18g is relatively small. This motor can easily handle them. I went straight from stg 2 to an 18g/fmic, it was a nice upgrade in power and a totally different delivery...I'd even consider going 20g. The lag really isn't that bad.
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In the world of turbos, an 18g is relatively small. This motor can easily handle them. I went straight from stg 2 to an 18g/fmic, it was a nice upgrade in power and a totally different delivery...I'd even consider going 20g. The lag really isn't that bad.
Very true. I realize that in the broad scheme of things, an 18G isn't a "big" turbo by any means- it is just on the large side for what is commonly considered acceptable for our motors.

I've gotta be honest, though. I'm STILL not sure if I buy the idea that our motors can easily handle them. If someone wants to get another 20,000 (very fun) miles out of their car, that may very well be the case. But in terms of what I'm looking for, which is a machine that will get get at least 50,000 more miles on an upgraded setup, I'm just not sure if it is feasible. I'm not even sure if what I currently have is feasible in that regard. (I have 80,000 miles on my car and 10,000 on my current turbo setup, which is a factor as well.) I guess only time will tell.

I like the idea of the 18 and even 20G setups, but it seems like most of the people who do it end up selling the car, returning to stock, or crashing the thing within 20,000 miles of the upgrade. I wish I could find more feedback from people who have done this, and really stuck with it for the long haul.

I'm not saying you're wrong in any form or fashion- I'm just saying that I'm not confident enough to make the 18G+ plunge yet, and will probably not do it until I'm really comfortable with seeing my motor give up the ghost.

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You said you have a "Stage 2 tune" and you want to get the most out of your current mods if I read that correctly. My question is do you have a OTS map? If so your biggest bang for the buck with your current mods would have to be a pro-tune. I would love to see what kind of power you could put down.

I've got a custom road tune.

And I never said anything about getting the best bang for the buck.
Seriously, Im not even gonna waste my time on a dyno with the lil td04.
I want the 2.0 to perform well, but then again Im not really to concerned about the longevity of the 2.0 as I stated previously that Im in the midst of building a sti stroker. However at the same time want the 2.0 to last a little longer...

I will say though... I'm supprised I haven't killed this motor yet. but when the sti motor is ready to be transplanted, we will see about that
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Very true. I realize that in the broad scheme of things, an 18G isn't a "big" turbo by any means- it is just on the large side for what is commonly considered acceptable for our motors.

I've gotta be honest, though. I'm STILL not sure if I buy the idea that our motors can easily handle them. If someone wants to get another 20,000 (very fun) miles out of their car, that may very well be the case. But in terms of what I'm looking for, which is a machine that will get get at least 50,000 more miles on an upgraded setup, I'm just not sure if it is feasible. I'm not even sure if what I currently have is feasible in that regard. (I have 80,000 miles on my car and 10,000 on my current turbo setup, which is a factor as well.) I guess only time will tell.

I like the idea of the 18 and even 20G setups, but it seems like most of the people who do it end up selling the car, returning to stock, or crashing the thing within 20,000 miles of the upgrade. I wish I could find more feedback from people who have done this, and really stuck with it for the long haul.

I'm not saying you're wrong in any form or fashion- I'm just saying that I'm not confident enough to make the 18G+ plunge yet, and will probably not do it until I'm really comfortable with seeing my motor give up the ghost.

I understand exactly what you're saying.

If your going to upgrade though, no point in going 18g, it will only be marginally higher power than your current setup. For you, I'd say it would have to be a 20g at least for the hassle and cost of the upgrade to be worth it.

I know you're looking for people with 50k on their turbo upgrade (and they are out there), but I'm just over 20k miles since my 18g and about 35k miles since stg 2 and so far I'm doing good ::knock on wood::. (BTW, car has 58k total miles). As I'm sure you've heard many many many times before, its all in the tune (and the driver has something to do with it too )
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I've got a custom road tune.

And I never said anything about getting the best bang for the buck.
Seriously, Im not even gonna waste my time on a dyno with the lil td04.
I want the 2.0 to perform well, but then again Im not really to concerned about the longevity of the 2.0 as I stated previously that Im in the midst of building a sti stroker. However at the same time want the 2.0 to last a little longer...

I will say though... I'm supprised I haven't killed this motor yet. but when the sti motor is ready to be transplanted, we will see about that
Your title is "What should I do next to my little 2.0" You didnt list a tune in your post so I was stating that if you didnt have a pro-tune then that would be the best bang for your buck. I guess if your (not) looking for the best bang for your buck you could always spray paint your rims and slap some stickers on her and call it a day.

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i think you should sell me your 16g
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Your title is "What should I do next to my little 2.0" You didnt list a tune in your post so I was stating that if you didnt have a pro-tune then that would be the best bang for your buck. I guess if your (not) looking for the best bang for your buck you could always spray paint your rims and slap some stickers on her and call it a day.

whoa buddy... my car sure isn't a pep boys special...
lol

Mine is very understated looking. and thats the way she will stay.
even has the stock 16's on her.

I'm just curious as to what my lil 2.0 can handle.. hehehe let the games begin.
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