Welcome to the North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club Friday September 19, 2014
Home Forums WikiNASIOC Products Store Modifications Upgrade Garage
NASIOC
Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences Home Registration is free! Visit the NASIOC Store NASIOC Rules Search Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Calendar Archive NASIOC Upgrade Garage Logout
Go Back   NASIOC > NASIOC Subaru Models > Impreza Forum

Welcome to NASIOC - The world's largest online community for Subaru enthusiasts!
Welcome to the NASIOC.com Subaru forum.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, free of charge, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, so please join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-10-2012, 06:09 AM   #101
79letour
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302570
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: dear old dixie
Vehicle:
2013 XV
DGM!

Default

Meh, it sorta falls on its face after 4-4500 rpm, so I woundt say it need to be wound up too much. The stock gearing just doesn't do a great job of keeping it in its power band. But its an econobox, after all.
I just wish the 6mt was an option like the cvt. I would have gladly shelled out another $1300 for better (and more) gears.
* Registered users of the site do not see these ads.
79letour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 06:20 AM   #102
M45
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 333446
Join Date: Sep 2012
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Vehicle:
2013 Impreza SL CVT
DGM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 79letour View Post
The newer Jettas are, imo, definitely NOT "driver's cars".
I never actually said any Jetta was. I mentioned some VWs are. Nels made that jump to conclusions for everyone else (more accurately I said VAG cars and he quickly shortened it to only VWs and then specifically my old car in order to "win").

I haven't driven the new cheaped up jettas but I'm not surprised if they aren't exactly engaging. My MKIV VR6 started out with a good amount of body roll and was not that great at cornering - at this point not really a drivers car. after i upgraded the suspension it was great all around. plenty of power across the RPM range, a decent MT, stayed nice and flat through corners and generally just felt tight. my decision to trade it in for the impreza was b/c I wanted something with AWD, better MPGs, more passenger/cargo space and have it be trouble free for a little while.

I'd just like to point out a post I made back on page one before being attacked by nels:

Quote:
Originally Posted by M45 View Post
I didn't start this thread as a war between which transmission people choose. I started it to see if other people noticed some slight weirdness with the 5MT on this car and if yes if they've grown accustomed to it and are happy with the car.

Last edited by M45; 10-10-2012 at 06:26 AM.
M45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 06:24 AM   #103
M45
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 333446
Join Date: Sep 2012
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Vehicle:
2013 Impreza SL CVT
DGM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 79letour View Post
Meh, it sorta falls on its face after 4-4500 rpm, so I woundt say it need to be wound up too much. The stock gearing just doesn't do a great job of keeping it in its power band. But its an econobox, after all.
I just wish the 6mt was an option like the cvt. I would have gladly shelled out another $1300 for better (and more) gears.
I was a little surprised they didn't opt for a 6MT. Pretty much every reviewer of the car mentioned this.
M45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 06:36 AM   #104
79letour
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302570
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: dear old dixie
Vehicle:
2013 XV
DGM!

Default

As for the bickering, well I know how that is. Afterall, I'm the guy who has been personally attacked as much as anyone in nasioc history. See my oil consumption thread, or any of the many oil-related threads I've posted in.
You just gotta let it go and realize who is here to exchange ideas and who's here just to have exchanges.
79letour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 06:42 AM   #105
M45
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 333446
Join Date: Sep 2012
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Vehicle:
2013 Impreza SL CVT
DGM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 79letour View Post
As for the bickering, well I know how that is. Afterall, I'm the guy who has been personally attacked as much as anyone in nasioc history. See my oil consumption thread, or any of the many oil-related threads I've posted in.
You just gotta let it go and realize who is here to exchange ideas and who's here just to have exchanges.
the oil-consumption thread? tl/dr

I read the last few pages. People are a little too wrapped up their cars for their own good. I'm here to learn about the cars and keep on top of any issues I need to look out for.
M45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 07:23 AM   #106
ans2k
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 315631
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bryant, AR
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza Sport

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 79letour View Post
As for the bickering, well I know how that is. Afterall, I'm the guy who has been personally attacked as much as anyone in nasioc history. See my oil consumption thread, or any of the many oil-related threads I've posted in.
You just gotta let it go and realize who is here to exchange ideas and who's here just to have exchanges.
very true
ans2k is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 07:41 AM   #107
nels0300
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 331332
Join Date: Sep 2012
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Minneapolis
Vehicle:
2014 Camry SE V6
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by M45 View Post
I never actually said any Jetta was. I mentioned some VWs are. Nels made that jump to conclusions for everyone else (more accurately I said VAG cars and he quickly shortened it to only VWs and then specifically my old car in order to "win").
Some VWs, ah, OK, but not the one you used to have. Got it, thanks for clearing that up.

I was going to point out the irony, because those Jettas were not known for their excellent, crisp shifting gear boxes. But you weren't even talking about Jettas.

How stupid of me to jump to conclusions.
nels0300 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 07:53 AM   #108
Zeeper
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 299286
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Albany NY
Vehicle:
2012 Sport 5MT
Green/Silver

Default

About the CVT vs Manual AWD systems:

My new theory is that the CVT has a definate FWD bias, probably 90/10, because the electronic clutch transfer system works so well there is no need to continually funnel more power to the rear wheels in conditions that do not warrant it. This means you get slightly better MPG from that type of system.

But Subaru will never tell you what the actual split is (I know in Canada they claimed 60/40, that is called 'marketing') because Subaru advertises all their cars (except BRZ) as all the time AWD, so if they start splitting hairs and telling CVT/Auto drivers that they are FWD biased, most of the time, it dilutes their marketing message.

Don't expect an answer anytime soon, unless some independent auditor decides to measure the power output by axle and provide the test results.

Not that CVT/Auto owners should complain, the system works so well there is no need to send power back in normal driving conditions.

But for you manual transmission drivers, 50/50 baby!

Last edited by Zeeper; 10-10-2012 at 12:46 PM.
Zeeper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 08:00 AM   #109
sgoldste01
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322264
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza Sp 5sp
Obs Blk Prl/Drk Gray Mtl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 79letour View Post
Meh, it sorta falls on its face after 4-4500 rpm, so I woundt say it need to be wound up too much. The stock gearing just doesn't do a great job of keeping it in its power band.
I'm going to have to disagree with you on this, and encourage you to perform the following experiment:

Get on the highway behind someone driving 55 to 60 mph. Downshift from 5th gear directly into 3rd gear. The engine will spool up to approximately 4500 rpm. Then make your pass, staying in 3rd until you've pulled back into the right-hand lane. Once back in the right-hand lane, shift directly from 3rd back into 5th.

I think you'll find the car much more responsive if driven like this, and you'll find the car is in its power band for the entire maneuver.
sgoldste01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 08:23 AM   #110
sgoldste01
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322264
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza Sp 5sp
Obs Blk Prl/Drk Gray Mtl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by M45 View Post
I never actually said any Jetta was. I mentioned some VWs are.
My previous car to the Impreza was an MK6 (2010) Golf TDI (which was not a de-contented car like the new Jettas). I liked the clutch better on the TDI (the catch point was lower and more progressive), but I actually prefer the Impreza's shift lever. I found the TDI's shift lever very imprecise, making it difficult to nail a 6th to 4th or 5th to 3rd downshift.

I have no doubt that VW's DSG tranny is more enjoyable than Subaru's CVT, but I wouldn't buy either of them, so this is irrelevant to me.

Both the TDI and the Impreza handle very well, but I found the TDI to get more nervous feeling in hard turns when the pavement wasn't smooth, almost like the rear end was about to break loose. The Impreza feels more planted when powering through turns on rough pavement. I think the TDI cornered more flatly, but not by much.

The TDI's big advantage in terms of being a driver's car is the torquey engine. Even though the 0 to 60 mph times of the Impreza and TDI are similar (at least if the Impreza is equipped with the 5MT tranny, which I think I read shaves at least 1 second off the 0 to 60 time), the TDI just plain feels much faster. My guess is that in a drag race, the TDI would leap off the line and take an early lead, but by the quarter mile the Impreza would largely catch up to it. Regardless, the TDI gives an impression of thrust that the Impreza can't match.

Having said that, the TDI's reliability was a complete disaster. All the problems I had with the car were covered by the 36k warranty, but that car spent 3 weeks in the shop during the 27 months/30k miles I owned it. I was simply afraid it would bankrupt me after the warranty expired in 6k miles. I'm glad to be rid of that rolling POS, even though it was fun to drive when it was working correctly.
sgoldste01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 08:23 AM   #111
79letour
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302570
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: dear old dixie
Vehicle:
2013 XV
DGM!

Default

I've done my share of spirited driving, as zeeper can attest. Lol
It still makes power after 4500 but the torque peak is definitely around 4k or so.
As for the awd 90/10 vs 50/50, I do much prefer the simplicity of the traditional 50/50.
On one of my favorite dirt roads I didn't feel the cvt loaner car did as well as my mt. A couple times I swear I could feel the car losing grip and then the rear would grab, but it didn't have the same predictability that the mt has. Ymmv
79letour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 08:28 AM   #112
nels0300
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 331332
Join Date: Sep 2012
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Minneapolis
Vehicle:
2014 Camry SE V6
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 79letour View Post
Meh, it sorta falls on its face after 4-4500 rpm, so I woundt say it need to be wound up too much.
Interesting observation being that horsepower peaks at 6200 rpm. Haven't tested myself yet as I'm still in the break in period.
nels0300 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 08:29 AM   #113
sgoldste01
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322264
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza Sp 5sp
Obs Blk Prl/Drk Gray Mtl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 79letour View Post
I've done my share of spirited driving, as zeeper can attest. Lol
It still makes power after 4500 but the torque peak is definitely around 4k or so.
Please give the experiment I proposed above a try, and then get back to us with your impression.
sgoldste01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 08:31 AM   #114
sgoldste01
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 322264
Join Date: Jun 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: Webster, NY
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza Sp 5sp
Obs Blk Prl/Drk Gray Mtl

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nels0300 View Post
Interesting observation being that horsepower peaks at 6200 rpm. Haven't tested myself yet as I'm still in the break in period.
Precisely. It's hard to have fun with this car during the break-in period because you need to keep the RPMs below where the fun begins.
sgoldste01 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 08:47 AM   #115
79letour
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302570
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: dear old dixie
Vehicle:
2013 XV
DGM!

Default

While I am not trying to start an argument, your "experiment" is pretty much how I DO pass other cars.
Your experiment just shows that the gearing isn't *ideal*, as you have to drop two gears and really wring it.
Shifting points are going to differ with drivers, but usually, you want to shift once the torque has peaked to fully harness the acceleration potential. But with this W I D E gearing you have to compromise.
I still don't think its a HORRIBLE transmission, just exchanging opinions and ideas.
Anyone in Australia care to chime in about the ratios in the 6mt that you're lucky enough to get?
79letour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 09:25 AM   #116
flyboy1100
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 314216
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: ND
Vehicle:
2012 2.0i Sport 5MT
DGM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ans2k

tried it, it didn't work.
What didn't work? The brake override or heal toe?
flyboy1100 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 10:17 AM   #117
auskip07
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 315643
Join Date: Apr 2012
Chapter/Region: South East
Location: Atlanta Ga
Vehicle:
2012 Impreza Sedan
DGM 5mt

Default

The gearing is perfectly fine for what this car is.

As for peoples theories about 90/10 fwd for cvt isnt really theory when its documented. A 6 speed would be really nice and fit the car better but knowing how to drive it with a 5 speed can help solve alot of the issues.

Its also been documented and stated in many places that 4800 is the peak of the hp/ tq curve
auskip07 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 10:28 AM   #118
aeoporta
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 334126
Join Date: Oct 2012
Chapter/Region: Tri-State
Location: New York
Vehicle:
2013 5mt Sp Premium
Venetian Red & Dark Gray

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by sgoldste01 View Post

thanks
aeoporta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 10:35 AM   #119
M45
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 333446
Join Date: Sep 2012
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Vehicle:
2013 Impreza SL CVT
DGM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nels0300 View Post
Some VWs, ah, OK, but not the one you used to have. Got it, thanks for clearing that up.

I was going to point out the irony, because those Jettas were not known for their excellent, crisp shifting gear boxes. But you weren't even talking about Jettas.

How stupid of me to jump to conclusions.
even better I actually said VAG which would include Audis as well but you ignored that right away (very convenient). Regardless of what you think my old car's transmission was like since I actually drove it I can tell you it was better than the current impreza's transmission. Everything about it felt more direct. As non-sports car manuals go it was a lot of fun to drive.
M45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 11:00 AM   #120
79letour
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302570
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: dear old dixie
Vehicle:
2013 XV
DGM!

Default

VR6 with a stick sounds like it would be a "drivers car".
I always loved the VR6.
79letour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 11:18 AM   #121
Zeeper
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 299286
Join Date: Oct 2011
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Location: Albany NY
Vehicle:
2012 Sport 5MT
Green/Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by auskip07 View Post
The gearing is perfectly fine for what this car is.

As for peoples theories about 90/10 fwd for cvt isnt really theory when its documented. A 6 speed would be really nice and fit the car better but knowing how to drive it with a 5 speed can help solve alot of the issues.

Its also been documented and stated in many places that 4800 is the peak of the hp/ tq curve
Where is the 90/10 split documented? I've seen it on Cars101. Anytime the split is brought up someone with a CVT states they heard Subaru of Canada claims 60/40.
Zeeper is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 11:37 AM   #122
79letour
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302570
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: dear old dixie
Vehicle:
2013 XV
DGM!

Default

I still lol at VAG!!!!
79letour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 11:38 AM   #123
nels0300
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 331332
Join Date: Sep 2012
Chapter/Region: MWSOC
Location: Minneapolis
Vehicle:
2014 Camry SE V6
Silver

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by M45 View Post
even better I actually said VAG which would include Audis as well but you ignored that right away (very convenient). Regardless of what you think my old car's transmission was like since I actually drove it I can tell you it was better than the current impreza's transmission. Everything about it felt more direct. As non-sports car manuals go it was a lot of fun to drive.
I've driven them too. While shopping for cars I've tried a 1.8T, 2.0T, and VR6 Jetta and don't agree that any of them had manual transmissions that were head and shoulders better than the Impreza. Shifters are not a VW strong point and I know my FWD manual transmissions well having owned an Integra, Prelude, Mazda6, Mazda3, and 6 sp Accord. With the exception of the previously mentioned 3rd gear issue I had with the Accord, all of those cars had excellent shifters. I've been spoiled, and if you read what some people in here say about the Impreza MT, I should hate it enough to get the CVT. But I don't, I enjoy it, and I laugh at the idea of a VW person complaining about it's shift feel.
nels0300 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 11:42 AM   #124
79letour
Scooby Specialist
 
Member#: 302570
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: dear old dixie
Vehicle:
2013 XV
DGM!

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeeper View Post
Where is the 90/10 split documented? I've seen it on Cars101. Anytime the split is brought up someone with a CVT states they heard Subaru of Canada claims 60/40.
Being that he doesn't know where the tailpipe is, I wouldn't bother arguing aspects of the car of a technical nature with him/her.
79letour is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-10-2012, 12:18 PM   #125
M45
Scooby Newbie
 
Member#: 333446
Join Date: Sep 2012
Chapter/Region: NESIC
Vehicle:
2013 Impreza SL CVT
DGM

Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by nels0300 View Post
I've driven them too. While shopping for cars I've tried a 1.8T, 2.0T, and VR6 Jetta and don't agree that any of them had manual transmissions that were head and shoulders better than the Impreza. Shifters are not a VW strong point and I know my FWD manual transmissions well having owned an Integra, Prelude, Mazda6, Mazda3, and 6 sp Accord. With the exception of the previously mentioned 3rd gear issue I had with the Accord, all of those cars had excellent shifters. I've been spoiled, and if you read what some people in here say about the Impreza MT, I should hate it enough to get the CVT. But I don't, I enjoy it, and I laugh at the idea of a VW person complaining about it's shift feel.
the clutch (part of shifting last time I checked) was my main complaint regarding the impreza MT. I actually went into a grocery store parking lot during my test drive and took off from a stop a bunch of times to make sure I didn't just need a little bit of practice on that particular clutch. this only cemented my opinion of the car. Also - despite what you say - it was less smooth shifting through the gears than my VR6 was - not a whole lot less, but less. I drove them literally minutes apart from each other which I doubt you did. I wasn't operating from a memory of driving a car months or years prior. The comparison was as direct as you can get. I wanted to like the MT - it actually took me a couple of days of consideration to finally let go of the idea of getting a MT with this car. I couldn't get past it - plain and simple. I'm glad most of you guys didn't have a problem with it. hard for nels to get that I guess.
M45 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:38 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2014 Axivo Inc.
Copyright ©1999 - 2014, North American Subaru Impreza Owners Club, Inc.