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Old 10-27-2012, 05:27 PM   #176
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I would guess cramming it into reverse at a high forward speed and stripping all the teeth from the gears would be a winner for that prize.
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Old 10-27-2012, 05:33 PM   #177
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Yeah.

Well, I'm glad this doesn't appear to be a pattern failure with these cars. I can't believe Subaru has changed the design of their manual tranny much over the years.
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Old 10-27-2012, 08:56 PM   #178
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Finally figured out why 5th seems to take so long to shift into. The engine speed has to drop below 2500 and it will just drop right in, above 3000 and i can really feel the synchros resisting me.

Anyone else?

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Old 10-27-2012, 09:40 PM   #179
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I usually have a lot of issues shifting into reverse. I'd say about a third of the time I can't get into reverse unless I double clutch.
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Old 10-28-2012, 06:39 AM   #180
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I usually have a lot of issues shifting into reverse. I'd say about a third of the time I can't get into reverse unless I double clutch.
When this happens to me, I put the stick into 2nd gear, let the clutch out slightly until the clutch barely starts to grab, and then re-clutch and select reverse.

For me, simply double-clutching doesn't always help me select reverse.
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Old 10-28-2012, 07:29 AM   #181
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2nd gear works for me also. It also slows down the gear enough so that i dont grind going to reverse.


I have also noticed that 5th is much easier to engage (at 9k miles) then when i received the car new.

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Old 10-28-2012, 11:59 AM   #182
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If you have trouble getting into reverse just shift into 1st gear and then back into reverse again. Works for me everytime.
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Old 11-02-2012, 10:42 AM   #183
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Drove our jetta for the first time in a few months last night. I know how to get power and acceleration out of my impreza, but man I wish our transmission had the gearing our jetta does. It felt like a sports car in comparison, even 4th gear had plenty of acceleration
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Old 11-02-2012, 11:48 AM   #184
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I keep waiting for an aussie to comment on their 6mt and its ratios.
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Old 11-02-2012, 12:49 PM   #185
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My stock shifter feels much shorter than our jetta though
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Old 11-02-2012, 04:16 PM   #186
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Drove our jetta for the first time in a few months last night. I know how to get power and acceleration out of my impreza, but man I wish our transmission had the gearing our jetta does. It felt like a sports car in comparison, even 4th gear had plenty of acceleration
part of that is torque.
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Old 11-02-2012, 04:18 PM   #187
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Well the gearing in the 5speed is quirky, there is a huge jump from 3rd to 4th and 5th.

They could have done a better job transitioning, but when you drive it daily you get used to it.

Quirky, it's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru...
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:42 PM   #188
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Well the gearing in the 5speed is quirky, there is a huge jump from 3rd to 4th and 5th.

They could have done a better job transitioning, but when you drive it daily you get used to it.

Quirky, it's what makes a Subaru, a Subaru...
The gearing is fine, IMHO. Third gear is useful from 35 mph all the way up to 80 mph (literally). 4th and 5th gears are both overdrive gears that I use for steady-state cruising and leisurely acceleration. But if I need to accelerate briskly, 2nd and 3rd are the go-to gears.

If 3rd gear will take me from 35 all the way up to 80 mph, then why do I need the gap between 3rd and 4th to be any closer?
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:57 PM   #189
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part of that is torque.
150hp/170ft/lbs. Really not much overall extra power considering it is a heavier car. It is more gearing and better ratios. I'm happy enough with the impreza but it is sad when a jetta 2.5 is faster
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:57 PM   #190
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The gearing is fine, IMHO. Third gear is useful from 35 mph all the way up to 80 mph (literally). 4th and 5th gears are both overdrive gears that I use for steady-state cruising and leisurely acceleration. But if I need to accelerate briskly, 2nd and 3rd are the go-to gears.

If 3rd gear will take me from 35 all the way up to 80 mph, then why do I need the gap between 3rd and 4th to be any closer?
The problem isn't 3rd imho, the problem is 2nd
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Old 11-02-2012, 07:09 PM   #191
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The problem isn't 3rd imho, the problem is 2nd
Again, why? I believe 2nd gear redlines at something like 60 mph, which is deep into 3rd gear's power band.

So what's wrong with 2nd and 3rd gears? If I'm trying to get going quickly from a stand-still, then I'd use 1st gear up to 20 mph, 2nd gear up to approximately 40, and then 3rd gear all the way up to my desired speed, which is certainly less than the 80 mph redline. Then, depending on my cruising speed, I'll select either 4th or 5th.

Keep in mind that what I'm describing is only if I'm trying to accelerate aggressively. If I can accelerate more gradually, then I shift at much lower speeds than described above.

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Old 11-02-2012, 08:42 PM   #192
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Again, why? I believe 2nd gear redlines at something like 60 mph, which is deep into 3rd gear's power band.

So what's wrong with 2nd and 3rd gears? If I'm trying get going quickly from a stand-still, then I'd use 1st gear up to 20 mph, 2nd gear up to approximately 40, and then 3rd gear all the way up to my desired speed, which is certainly less than the 80 mph redline. Then, depending on my cruising speed, I'll select either 4th or 5th.

Keep in mind that what I'm describing is only if I'm trying to accelerate aggressively. If I can accelerate more gradually, then I shift at much lower speeds than described above.
I just think they are a little too long. Again I know how to get max speed/acceleration out of it, and generally from 35 to whatever my cruising speed is I'm in 3rd.

It must be the torque curve on the jetta that makes it feel more responsive, I drove it again tonight and I really need to wind up the impreza too get similar performance, but not equal
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Old 11-03-2012, 06:54 AM   #193
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150hp/170ft/lbs. Really not much overall extra power considering it is a heavier car. It is more gearing and better ratios. I'm happy enough with the impreza but it is sad when a jetta 2.5 is faster
i'm not overly familiar with the 2.5 but my general experience with german cars is the torque comes on earlier and is generally higher through the rpm band. it's just how they seem to do engines.
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It must be the torque curve on the jetta that makes it feel more responsive, I drove it again tonight and I really need to wind up the impreza too get similar performance, but not equal
I generally drive my Impreza pretty gently, but there's one particular S-shaped on-ramp that I use once or twice/week that I like to drive hard. Whenever I use this on-ramp, and the road is dry, and there's nobody driving slowly in front of me, I floor it in 2nd and 3rd gears and wind the Impreza up hard as I've described, just for some immature fun.

The power is more than adequate. Is it as fast as the NA VW, which has an extra cylinder and 0.5L more displacement? You say "no", and I guess you're right. According to zeroto60times.com, the Jetta accelerates to 60 mph in 8.2 sec, and the Impreza does it in 8.5 sec (or 8.9 sec with the CVT).

I can live being 0.3 sec slower than the Jetta. I don't drag race my Impreza. I just want it to be fast enough to merge and pass. It is, but as you said, you need to wind it up in 2nd and 3rd to get the performance. If you're not over 3.5k RPM, forget about it. But that's OK for me. I bought the 5MT tranny to give me that level of control, and I know how to select the right gear for my situation.
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Old 11-03-2012, 07:24 AM   #195
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i'm not overly familiar with the 2.5 but my general experience with german cars is the torque comes on earlier and is generally higher through the rpm band. it's just how they seem to do engines.
Its the 5th cylinder in the straight 5 configuration Good mid range engines but problems occur in upper rpm bands.

A five-cylinder engine gets a power stroke every 144 degrees (720 5 = 144). Since each power stroke lasts 180 degrees, this means that a power stroke is always in effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight-five_engine


flat-4s have a problem common to all four-cylinder engines: the power strokes do not overlap. With a piston starting its power strokes every 180 degrees of crankshaft rotation, and the crank throws 180 degrees apart, all the pistons must come to complete stop and reverse before the next one can start its power stroke. This results in a gap between power http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat-four_engine

The reason 4 cylinder engines are great upper rpm band engines is because of how they operate. the faster the crank spins the lower the time before the power stroke.

Its always important do to your homework on the engine design before you buy the car.
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Its always important do to your homework on the engine design before you buy the car.
Auskip, thanks for the technical info. As a car fan, I find this stuff interesting and informative.

However, a person shouldn't need this level of understanding before buying a car. A person who is test driving a car should be able to simply get in, drive it, and then decide if the power is sufficient for their needs.

With the Impreza, the power is sufficient for our needs. But I admit that finding the power is harder with this engine than it is with a torqier engine. If you're too lazy (or uninformed) to downshift the Impreza (sometimes skipping a gear, like from 5th to 3rd, or 4th to 2nd), then you won't find the power, and you will be disappointed.

A torqier engine rewards those who are lazy or uninformed. I owned a VW TDI, so I know what it's like to drive an engine with torque. As long as the tach was above 1750 RPM, the engine would pull. So I could be lazy/stupid when merging/passing and get away with it.

The Impeza merges and passes just fine. But I admit that it requires more conscious involvement on my part to do so.

This is why TDIs are so impressive during the test drive. Any uninformed monkey can get impressive results, and walk away loving the car. Put that same monkey in an Impreza and he will think it's underpowered.

Knowledge = power. I know how to make the Impreza perform (at least with the 5MT). And I know that the Impreza kicks the TDI's a$$ when it comes to reliability.

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With the Impreza, the power is sufficient for our needs. But I admit that finding the power is harder with this engine than it is with a torqier engine. If you're too lazy (or uninformed) to downshift the Impreza (sometimes skipping a gear, like from 5th to 3rd, or 4th to 2nd), then you won't find the power, and you will be disappointed
I fully understand and agree with this.

But now there is snow on the ground and I'm going to go have some fun :-)
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Auskip, thanks for the technical info. As a car fan, I find this stuff interesting and informative.

However, a person shouldn't need this level of understanding before buying a car. A person who is test driving a car should be able to simply get in, drive it, and then decide if the power is sufficient for their needs.

With the Impreza, the power is sufficient for our needs. But I admit that finding the power is harder with this engine than it is with a torqier engine. If you're too lazy (or uninformed) to downshift the Impreza (sometimes skipping a gear, like from 5th to 3rd, or 4th to 2nd), then you won't find the power, and you will be disappointed.

A torqier engine rewards those who are lazy or uninformed. I owned a VW TDI, so I know what it's like to drive an engine with torque. As long as the tach was above 1750 RPM, the engine would pull. So I could be lazy/stupid when merging/passing and get away with it.

The Impeza merges and passes just fine. But I admit that it requires more conscious involvement on my part to do so.

This is why TDIs are so impressive during the test drive. Any uniformed monkey can get impressive results, and walk away loving the car. Put that same monkey in an Impreza and he will think it's underpowered.

Knowledge = power. I know how to make the Impreza perform (at least with the 5MT). And I know that the Impreza kicks the TDI's a$$ when it comes to reliability.

You're right you shouldnt need to have an understanding but i enjoy digging a little deeper.
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Auskip, thanks for the technical info. As a car fan, I find this stuff interesting and informative.

However, a person shouldn't need this level of understanding before buying a car. A person who is test driving a car should be able to simply get in, drive it, and then decide if the power is sufficient for their needs.

With the Impreza, the power is sufficient for our needs. But I admit that finding the power is harder with this engine than it is with a torqier engine. If you're too lazy (or uninformed) to downshift the Impreza (sometimes skipping a gear, like from 5th to 3rd, or 4th to 2nd), then you won't find the power, and you will be disappointed.

A torqier engine rewards those who are lazy or uninformed. I owned a VW TDI, so I know what it's like to drive an engine with torque. As long as the tach was above 1750 RPM, the engine would pull. So I could be lazy/stupid when merging/passing and get away with it.

The Impeza merges and passes just fine. But I admit that it requires more conscious involvement on my part to do so.

This is why TDIs are so impressive during the test drive. Any uniformed monkey can get impressive results, and walk away loving the car. Put that same monkey in an Impreza and he will think it's underpowered.

Knowledge = power. I know how to make the Impreza perform (at least with the 5MT). And I know that the Impreza kicks the TDI's a$$ when it comes to reliability.
I agree that I find the power adequate. Event with my lowly CVT I can get decent passing power if I plan ahead a little bit
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