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Old 10-05-2012, 10:27 PM   #51
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NOOOOO

That V10 is the triton engine. It's the opposite of the diesel. It's unreliable, it get literally 12 miles a gallon in mixed driving condition and won't come close to the 300k that the PowerStroke will get without a hiccup.

The diesel is considered the 7.3 Liter V8. Get a chip, get rid of the cats and adjust the intake and enjoy your 17 to 19 MPG in mixed conditions!
Yep, thats the one.

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How big of a boat and how often?

I towed an 18 foot enclosed trailer with my racecar in a 2000 Yukon XL. Great, luxurious truck with the hides of 87 cows on the seats. Here's the problem. The hard brake lines on all large GM pickups and suvs rust after 10 years. Not fun when a brake line pops as you're coming to a stop light pulling a boat with hydrolically operated surge brakes (what happened to me). If you replace all the hard lines, the windows will stop working and other random things will stop working....like AC.

Next gen...starting in 07 needs a transmission in between spark plug changes....so figure every 45k miles. I'm not aware if they fixed the brake lines, but GMs in general tend to self destruct at 10 years. both gens are great for towing.

I now have an explorer and only pull a snowmobile trailer. Far higher quality. Nothing has broken, but it's only 5 years old at this point. Far, far smaller but the 3rd row seat worked fine for my 2 kids. The Yukon XL was definately better as they could be placed in the 2nd left and 3rd right seats, belted in and they couldn't touch each other. They could, however smile at each other which causes yelling and crying.

Don't get any Ford with the 5.4. Read about randomly spitting out spark plugs.
No 5.4. Got it.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:32 PM   #52
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The Ford 4.6 and 5.4 don't spit out plugs unless some GED drop-out tried to use an impact and cross-threaded them on installation. There are only a few threads for the plug so if you **** it up, you really screwed the pooch. Our Explorer with a 4.6 has 170k on it and runs like new. I'd buy a vehicle with that engine again in a heartbeat.

+1 on no V10...bad idea.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:40 PM   #53
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And here's the catch. She doesnt take care of cars. Dents. Scratches. Parking at work in the same apot every day... Under a pipe dripping rust water

So her car is all ****ed up cosmetically
and we would take a bath on selling/trading it and its otherwise a good vehicle. So we have to keep hers. Which means we could sell mine, i take hers and she gets a minivan, but i dont like driving her car (2009 forester na). Either way, we're getting a newish family hauler and i'd rather not have a large second payment or a not so great car to trust with my family for frequent long distance travels. She loves her car, i'm happy to just have one other one.


No wonder Sky and KGB date men.

Sorry to hear that man. I'm gonna vote minivan as well. Iif you must go the huge wasteful SUV route then get an Excursion diesel.
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Old 10-05-2012, 10:47 PM   #54
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You can't beat GM fullsize SUVs. I'd look for one with the 5.3 and the 6-speed. You'll also want 3.42 axle gears if you plan to tow, the standard 3.08s are too tall for my liking.
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:35 AM   #55
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The Ford 4.6 and 5.4 don't spit out plugs unless some GED drop-out tried to use an impact and cross-threaded them on installation. There are only a few threads for the plug so if you **** it up, you really screwed the pooch. Our Explorer with a 4.6 has 170k on it and runs like new. I'd buy a vehicle with that engine again in a heartbeat.

+1 on no V10...bad idea.


As a Man Who Sells Many Fords I feel it my duty to clear this part up.

The 4.6 and 5.4's are good motors. All the spark plug problems are on the 3 valve heads 04+ f150 05+ 250,350 ect.

The motor to have in a excursion is the 5.4 v8 Much cheaper maintance then the diesels and still gets 15mpg. plus there is the 7-8000 less it will cost you initially.
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:51 AM   #56
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The Ford 4.6 and 5.4 don't spit out plugs unless some GED drop-out tried to use an impact and cross-threaded them on installation. There are only a few threads for the plug so if you **** it up, you really screwed the pooch. Our Explorer with a 4.6 has 170k on it and runs like new. I'd buy a vehicle with that engine again in a heartbeat.

+1 on no V10...bad idea.
Agreed. My '97 with the 4.6 is over 216k miles with no issues.
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Old 10-06-2012, 12:01 PM   #57
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How about a Duramax Diesel Suburban? Out of your price range?
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:18 PM   #58
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I found a 2003 excursion with the 5.4 for sale with less than 29k miles. They want almost $16k, but im thinking of offering $13k. It looks to be in very good cosmetic condition.

Aside from test driving it, im thinking i will probably need to change the belts and hoses and check everything for rust and leaks. What about the timing belt? Anything else i should be looking for?
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:38 PM   #59
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Boom.
Get on my level Jerzee Boy

Seriously though MC...
Cheaper to own & operate. Better fit for getting little people in/out. Way better MPGs.

Unless you need the ground clearance + 4x4...skip them.

You can get the Siennas with AWD I think...not sure.
My gf's parents have a Sienna that I've borrowed a couple times. It's like driving a big Camry except more comfortable because it's so spacious up front. I'd rock a mini-van for sure if I needed a family vehicle. Better mpg, easier to drive and park, and more practical. The only reason not to is because of self image problems.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:49 PM   #60
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I dont like minivans mostly because of how they look. So i suppose that is an image problem. Although since i started this thread, ive found i dont mind the odyssey so much.

Although im still curious to hear peoples thoughts on the excursion i found.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:51 PM   #61
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Have you considered the Toyota Highlander? It's a bit smaller, can only tow 1500 lbs, but has a third row seat standard.
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I dont like minivans mostly because of how they look. So i suppose that is an image problem. Although since i started this thread, ive found i dont mind the odyssey so much.

Although im still curious to hear peoples thoughts on the excursion i found.

I'm with you. I don't LOVE it...but for what I have to do and where I go I do like it.
I'd love something else.


I have no feedback on the Excursion although I am mystified at 29K on a 2003. That's ~3XXXk per year. Was it a tow vehicle?
But I'd say you're spot on on replacing the rubber and having it looked over...that's a lot of sitting still.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:54 PM   #63
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Jessie, I have, but they are a bit more than i want to spend. Plus they dont have as much cargo spacevwith the third row in as i would like (iirc). Good car though.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:56 PM   #64
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I'm with you. I don't LOVE it...but for what I have to do and where I go I do like it.
I'd love something else.

I have no feedback on the Excursion although I am mystified at 29K on a 2003. That's ~3XXXk per year. Was it a tow vehicle?
But I'd say you're spot on on replacing the rubber and having it looked over...that's a lot of sitting still.
Yeah im specifically worried about exhaust and frame corrosion, but im thinking i'll be able to see that. Anything else come to mind?

I believe it belongs to older rich people that used it for road trips.
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I found a 2003 excursion with the 5.4 for sale with less than 29k miles. They want almost $16k, but im thinking of offering $13k. It looks to be in very good cosmetic condition.

Aside from test driving it, im thinking i will probably need to change the belts and hoses and check everything for rust and leaks. What about the timing belt? Anything else i should be looking for?
From looking around, it sure looks like it has a timing chain.
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Latest generation Pilot. Full bench middle row that can hold 3 car seats, 70/30 rear bench, plenty of comfort, few mechanical issues, tows pop ups, uhauls & boats up to 19' with no problems & gets 21-22 highway.

I have 3 kids + the hound, do weekend trips, pull my 18' center console all around the low country, have done the SC to MD trip 12+ times with the family... the car/truck is great.

We wanted a Tahoe or Yukon - but the crap shoot of what model year vs what problem vs the higher cost wasn't worth it.
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Yeah im specifically worried about exhaust and frame corrosion, but im thinking i'll be able to see that. Anything else come to mind?

I believe it belongs to older rich people that used it for road trips.
Exhaust is valid.
If it was outside I'd check the door jambs and drains at the windshield...I'd also look for critter nests in the engine bay.
Rotors?

I'm no expert bud; especially on a truck. Hope some other people can help you. If you can get it to a shop and up on a lift...I would.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:17 PM   #68
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From looking around, it sure looks like it has a timing chain.
Thank you.

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Latest generation Pilot. Full bench middle row that can hold 3 car seats, 70/30 rear bench, plenty of comfort, few mechanical issues, tows pop ups, uhauls & boats up to 19' with no problems & gets 21-22 highway.

I have 3 kids + the hound, do weekend trips, pull my 18' center console all around the low country, have done the SC to MD trip 12+ times with the family... the car/truck is great.

We wanted a Tahoe or Yukon - but the crap shoot of what model year vs what problem vs the higher cost wasn't worth it.
You hit the nail on the head. '07 for this. '08 for that.

Oddly, i read the same thing about the pilot in a mommy car seat forum. I thought it would be a pain in the ass having three across and getting them in, but probably no more so than getting into a third row. I'll add this to my list. Thanks.
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Exhaust is valid.
If it was outside I'd check the door jambs and drains at the windshield...I'd also look for critter nests in the engine bay.
Rotors?

I'm no expert bud; especially on a truck. Hope some other people can help you. If you can get it to a shop and up on a lift...I would.
Yeah, theres a good place around here i trust.
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Have you considered the Toyota Highlander? It's a bit smaller, can only tow 1500 lbs, but has a third row seat standard.
V6 tows 5000lbs.
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I saw an excursion listed today with a "v10". Is this it? For some reason i thought i recalled reading somewhere around here thay engine sucked?
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NOOOOO

That V10 is the triton engine. It's the opposite of the diesel. It's unreliable, it get literally 12 miles a gallon in mixed driving condition and won't come close to the 300k that the PowerStroke will get without a hiccup.

755K mileage example
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...001-ford-f250/

My uncle has one of these V10 trucks with over 300K without any major issues. Only catch is, the damn thing doesn't get more than 12-13mpg For an F-250, it SCOOTS though
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If it helps, a coworker just bought a 2008 Yukon with low miles, and has had nothing but problems. I really WANT to like that GM monster too. If I were shopping for your reasons, and couldn't live with a minivan, I'd be all over the latest Honda Pilot too.

Just brainstorming, I see a lot of Nissan Armadas and Infiniti QX56s at work. I know nothing about these trucks except that they are large, and popular.
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Intake, exhaust and tuned H2? Supposed to up the economy to 15 - 17.
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Here is my post in the Car Traders club thread regarding our 2008 Denali:

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Recently picked up an 08 Denali and couldn't be happier. We were originally cross shopping with the Tahoe LTZ but the 6 spd and the 6.2L in the Denali absolutely destroyed the 5.3l and 4 spd in the Tahoe (Tahoes finally received the 6spd in '09).

Paid 26k OTD with 78K miles on it. White on Tan, Nav, backup camera, rear seat entertainment, and 20s. Cross shopped with the Escalade but didn't want the extra bling and the center console styling is much less attractive in my opinion. The only downside to the Denali was getting over the headlight/ front end styling, both the Escalade and the Tahoe have a much more attractive front end. If you haven't driven one of the GMT900 chassis trucks (07 and up) I highly recommend it. The change to the rack and pinion steering made a huge difference in the driveability and handling, it drives almost like a mid-size sedan (steering wise). You obviously still fell the heft under braking and the higher center of gravity in tighter corners.

Our requirements were:
AWD/RWD (still cannot understand people in TX buying a vehicle of this size in only 2WD)
Towing Capacity of 7500lbs or more (see picture of Cayenne hauling the girlfriend's 3 horse bumper pull trailer)
Air Suspension (towing various different trailers with various different loads means no worrying about the nose of the truck being pointed to the sky)
3rd Row Seating (must be removable or stowable for extra dog or hay bale storage room)
Leather interior (ever tried vacuuming dog hair off that much cloth seating area?)
Cheap maintenance (20" replacement tires- $120-$200 each, $30 brake rotors, etc etc)

Other items that we've found to be extremely handy: Nav system is decent, but the backup camera is an absolute bumper saver when hooking up trailers. With the receiver location IN the rear bumper on these trucks I could already anticipate a trailer tongue thru a bumper cover. The camera is aimed perfectly at the ball so that as you back up, as soon as the ball disappears under the tongue, you're done. Hop out and hook it up.

The leather in the Denali was also noticeably nicer than the Tahoe, the power lift gate, power flip second row seats, and remote start are nice extra standard features on the Denali. Gas mileage on a 500 mile trip to the Valley was 17.2 at 75-80mph with 2 people and 100pds worth of luggage/other items in it.


The 07 and up GM Full size trucks drive light years ahead of the older trucks due to the change to the rack and pinion steering so if you're tempted, I'd definitely say go 07 and better. You'll absolutely want the XL of either flavor, we have minimal storage space behind out third row when the seats are folded down for human use.

Access to the third row is easy (especially with the optional power fold 2nd row- but it's just more **** to break later). I hopped in and out of an XL to compare and it's even easier in one of those since the rear doors are full size.

As for the motor choice, both my GF and I found the 5.3L had plenty of umph...but the 4 speed trans was a major issue. It really only has 3rd and 4th gear usable at speed, and 3rd gear downshifts to pass meant full throttle HOLD ON NELLIE when all you were trying to do was pick up a little speed. Both the Tahoe and the regular Yukon are stuck with that combo until 2009...which is why we turned to the Denali. It started the new body style (as did the Escalade) with the 6.2L and the 6 speed. Once we drove one...we never looked back at the Tahoe LTZ.
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If it helps, a coworker just bought a 2008 Yukon with low miles, and has had nothing but problems. I really WANT to like that GM monster too. If I were shopping for your reasons, and couldn't live with a minivan, I'd be all over the latest Honda Pilot too.

Just brainstorming, I see a lot of Nissan Armadas and Infiniti QX56s at work. I know nothing about these trucks except that they are large, and popular.
I like the qx56's a lot, but theyre expensive. Im not a big armada fan. But i'll still check them out.

I started reading about pilots from an earlier suggestion. It might be worth a closer look.

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Intake, exhaust and tuned H2? Supposed to up the economy to 15 - 17.
I hadnt thought about this. I will look at these too.

Edit: doesnt seem to be the right car. Thanks though.

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Here is my post in the Car Traders club thread regarding our 2008 Denali:

The 07 and up GM Full size trucks drive light years ahead of the older trucks due to the change to the rack and pinion steering so if you're tempted, I'd definitely say go 07 and better. You'll absolutely want the XL of either flavor, we have minimal storage space behind out third row when the seats are folded down for human use.

Access to the third row is easy (especially with the optional power fold 2nd row- but it's just more **** to break later). I hopped in and out of an XL to compare and it's even easier in one of those since the rear doors are full size.

As for the motor choice, both my GF and I found the 5.3L had plenty of umph...but the 4 speed trans was a major issue. It really only has 3rd and 4th gear usable at speed, and 3rd gear downshifts to pass meant full throttle HOLD ON NELLIE when all you were trying to do was pick up a little speed. Both the Tahoe and the regular Yukon are stuck with that combo until 2009...which is why we turned to the Denali. It started the new body style (as did the Escalade) with the 6.2L and the 6 speed. Once we drove one...we never looked back at the Tahoe LTZ.
I actually read that post before and its actually what sparked my interest in the denali. Their reliability seems to be an issue.
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