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Old 10-06-2012, 01:22 PM   #1
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Hello Everyone!

I'll start off with the basics: I own a 2002 Impreza TS. yeah, I know it's the strip down poor man's subaru, but I love her! lol. That said, I took it out a while ago to a local rally course:

While we had a blast, Discount Tire failed to torque my rims properly and one came flying off...Took out the front fender with it. Not to mention, we blew all the ball joints, an exhaust seal, and bent 3 rims. What sort of improvements can be made to prevent all this? I am currently running Bridgestone Grids for my tires and love them!

The clutch is getting ready to go out as well, what are your recommendations for a replacement? No mods to the car currently but I plant on cams, intake, exhaust, ECU, etc.

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Old 10-06-2012, 01:58 PM   #2
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if you are going to continue driving hard enough to bend rims, cheap steelies is probably your best bet. but a good set of struts and springs will allow you to take bigger hits, give more wheel travel to absorb energy and last longer than the stock springs/struts. D-Specs are a relatively inexpensive strut that would be up to the challenge. offroad coilovers are an option but if you want some that will not break quickly, its $$$$$$. If rallycross is your main goal, do suspension bits first before power adders. they will make for a much bigger "gain" offroad.
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:15 PM   #3
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Thanks for the input! It was on the Subaru OEM steel wheels. I thought they were much stronger than that, I would hate to have to buy new rims every time I go out lol. I would guess a better suspension system would help with that a lot though...
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:30 PM   #4
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You can either buy enough extra steelies and replace the ones that bend or you can get yourself a cheap set of alloys. Use snow tires to start out with and then you can upgrade to gravel tires if you start to get more into it. Check out the local rally teams to see what used tires they have laying around.

Stock suspension is fine until you blow it. Once you do blow the stock struts, an upgrade to D-specs is probably your best bet. You can also look at doing a ground control coilover kit that has more travel in mind. Also look into Group-N tophats while you are in there.

Power means very little in rally-x. You probably won't be able to put any more power than you already make down anyways. Spend that money on items that will help you grip and protection for your car (skid plates, diff covers, etc.).

And oh yea, get a proper torque wrench and check your wheels after a few runs. They can come loose rather quickly. Also make sure you bring a full sized spare so when you get rocks in the bead, you aren't out of commission.
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Old 10-06-2012, 05:41 PM   #5
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You can either buy enough extra steelies and replace the ones that bend or you can get yourself a cheap set of alloys. Use snow tires to start out with and then you can upgrade to gravel tires if you start to get more into it. Check out the local rally teams to see what used tires they have laying around.

Stock suspension is fine until you blow it. Once you do blow the stock struts, an upgrade to D-specs is probably your best bet. You can also look at doing a ground control coilover kit that has more travel in mind. Also look into Group-N tophats while you are in there.

Power means very little in rally-x. You probably won't be able to put any more power than you already make down anyways. Spend that money on items that will help you grip and protection for your car (skid plates, diff covers, etc.).

And oh yea, get a proper torque wrench and check your wheels after a few runs. They can come loose rather quickly. Also make sure you bring a full sized spare so when you get rocks in the bead, you aren't out of commission.

I had no intentions of replacing anything that was still good. From what I have gathered, as you mentioned, power is not everything. That said, I would still like a little more than what it has. I'm not planning on forced induction or dropping thousands into the engine. It's not worth it to me. Are the alloys any stronger?

I do plan on a disc conversion in the back, but not until I redo the front with better brakes.

I managed to salvage the tire from my ordeal with discount, the rim is no good, but I do have a full size spare now. The lug nuts very well could have loosened up on the track, but after having them fix it all, I checked them when I got home and I could crack them loose with a half inch drive and 2 fingers.

I learned a lot that one day out, it was my first track in a car. I used to do a lot in my truck, a subaru is nothing compared to a full size dodge lol.
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Old 10-06-2012, 09:03 PM   #6
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I had no intentions of replacing anything that was still good. From what I have gathered, as you mentioned, power is not everything. That said, I would still like a little more than what it has. I'm not planning on forced induction or dropping thousands into the engine. It's not worth it to me. Are the alloys any stronger?
Depends on the alloys.

If it were me I would go pick up a set of 15 or 16" subaru oem alloys on the cheap and throw some snows on. The other reason not to pursue power with your motor is that you have to spend a lot to get a little. I had an 04 TS with equal length headers, intake, catback, and it didn't net as much as you might think. If you really want more power, start with a wrx.

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I do plan on a disc conversion in the back, but not until I redo the front with better brakes.
Remember when you go to upgrade your brakes that gravel tires typically only go up to 15".

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I managed to salvage the tire from my ordeal with discount, the rim is no good, but I do have a full size spare now. The lug nuts very well could have loosened up on the track, but after having them fix it all, I checked them when I got home and I could crack them loose with a half inch drive and 2 fingers.

I learned a lot that one day out, it was my first track in a car. I used to do a lot in my truck, a subaru is nothing compared to a full size dodge lol.
I'm glad you had a good time and this hiccup didn't discourage you from further competition. This is still the most fun you can have for cheap IMHO.
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Old 10-06-2012, 11:17 PM   #7
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The hiccup certainly will not interfere with future fun. I have been a fan of racing since before I could drive. Now that I finally have my first Subaru it would be a shame to keep it clean....I wanted a wrx, but all the ones in my price range were high mileage or not well taken care of.

As for the brakes, I wasn't thinking huge, just better rotors and pads over what's on it and of course disk in the rear. I'll keep an eye out on craigslist for some alloys. Snow tires will eventually come, right now I'm quite happy with the Bridgestone Grids, I can at least use them on the street as well.

Any suggestions on a clutch, or is OEM good enough?
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Old 10-07-2012, 01:28 AM   #8
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Another tire option is buying used tires from a rally team. They can go for pretty cheap, and if you're lucky they're local so you won't have to ship them.
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Old 10-07-2012, 03:43 PM   #9
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Another tire option is buying used tires from a rally team. They can go for pretty cheap, and if you're lucky they're local so you won't have to ship them.
How would one go about approaching a team like this? I don't know anybody who races anything, so I'd feel a little strange walking up to someone and saying "Hey, can I buy your old tires?"
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How would one go about approaching a team like this? I don't know anybody who races anything, so I'd feel a little strange walking up to someone and saying "Hey, can I buy your old tires?"

I would just call them and ask if any of their old used stuff was up for sale. They either have to pay to dispose of the tires or get paid to do so...lol
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There's that, or sometimes offers on forums. A quick Google turned up some ebay auctions too.
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Old 10-07-2012, 06:05 PM   #12
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Now that I finally have my first Subaru it would be a shame to keep it clean....
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Old 10-07-2012, 07:53 PM   #13
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Thank you! I took it off roading today and some light rally. It had a good time
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some other great places for rallyx info and parts:
http://www.dirtyimpreza.com/
http://www.specialstage.com/
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Old 10-07-2012, 10:08 PM   #15
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Jeisen,

Thank you for the links. It will be a slow process, my wife and I are in the process of starting up a photography business so funds are being spread around. However, it's high on the list! That said, if anyone in Colorado is interested in photography, we do anything anywhere! I won't spam here with all the crap, but if you're interested send me a message and we can go from there!
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