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Old 10-08-2012, 06:25 PM   #51
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I blame to some extent the parents for letting a kid drive a 305 hp awd sports car. I would not let these kids drive a sti even if they all had regular permits.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:28 PM   #52
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There are many 16-18yr old safe drivers, some very skilled. There are also tons of retards at any age who crash on the road doing retarded things.
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Young drivers don't have experience which inherently makes them more dangerous. Then, you give them the equivalent of a loaded gun in a high performance vehicle, and well, bad things like this happen. Decades and decades and decades of insurance statistics bear this out.

Like I said, there's always at least one smart ass that wants to argue that teenage drivers are perfectly safe. They're not - that's why half of them end up in a collision in their first year of driving.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:32 PM   #53
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High power car? Lol, okay.

STis are a lot of things, but they aren't high powered. Especially not relatively stock.
It is a lot of power. Hell most of the people here with stock STi's can't even launch their car properly. Takes a lot to learn a car and to drive properly. Nonetheless a kid with only a learner's permit and this STi is probably his first car. Yes there are higher powered cars, but an STi is pretty damn fast.
Any cars that run 13', 14's in the 1/4 stock are too fast for a teens first car.

If the kid were in say a yaric accord or something else he wouldn't even have been able to get to 100mph nevertheless would he try because he knows his car is slow.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:38 PM   #54
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Folks, this is why you don't give a child a high performance automobile.

And, after that, I'm sure some 16 year old is going to come in here and tell me how safe of a driver they are in their STi......
Sadly, this.

We know America is lacking common sense. That's why we are fast circling the drain.

Giving your kid, on a learners permit, a $35,000 300hp car... not bright.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:39 PM   #55
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talk about a new york minute, huh?
"One day he crossed some line
And he was too much in this world"

or too much swag. judging by the pictures, i wouldn't be surprised to learn, when the details are released, that the official cause of the accident was swag.
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Old 10-08-2012, 06:51 PM   #56
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Young drivers don't have experience which inherently makes them more dangerous. Then, you give them the equivalent of a loaded gun in a high performance vehicle, and well, bad things like this happen. Decades and decades and decades of insurance statistics bear this out.

Like I said, there's always at least one smart ass that wants to argue that teenage drivers are perfectly safe. They're not - that's why half of them end up in a collision in their first year of driving.

You are using blanket statements and claiming them as facts. I agree that you're average 16yr old shouldn't have a performance car. BUT not every 16yr old is the same, some have lots of track experience. Some have been karting since they could walk and have been racing pro level cars at 16.

I have a personal friend who held a FIA license at 16, and he was more than capable of handling a STi which is nothing compared to what he raced.

I'm not being a smart ass, I'm pointing out your flawed/blanket statement.

I don't care what age you are, it doesn't make you a good/responsible driver. You're either a good/responsible driver or your not. I've seen plenty cases of middle age guys along with teenagers being **** ups.

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If the kid were in say a yaric accord or something else he wouldn't even have been able to get to 100mph nevertheless would he try because he knows his car is slow.
You'd be surprised, in a straight line the accord is pretty close in speed. The STi is not this high powered car many think it is, the trap speed is not very high.
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So crazy. I can't imagine.

I can't believe that the Subaru got damaged in such a way.. I've seen cars like this before but I woulden't expect this out of a Subaru, especially a newer one.

Super bummer though. Sad to see this.
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http://www.newsday.com/long-island/n...rmit-1.4086600

he is another article from the worst paper long island has to offer, you cant read the article, but the video is visible and shows how bad that poor sti looked. they need to stop giving out licenses to children and make them 21 years old. i mean you cant drink when you are 18 but you can drive a fast car and kill yourself and other innocent people? makes perfect sense..
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I don't blame the kids or the driver, I blame the parents for giving an obviously untrustworthy kid a 40k car, then not controlling them at all. Hauling ass around at 3:40am - awesome parenting job there...

I wouldn't hand any car with power over to my kid unless I implicitly trusted not only his driving skills, but his respect for everything that goes with having a powerful car.

Comes down to the parents. Sounds like they bought the kids love with 'things', and this is the tragic outcome.
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http://www.newsday.com/long-island/n...rmit-1.4086600

he is another article from the worst paper long island has to offer, you cant read the article, but the video is visible and shows how bad that poor sti looked. they need to stop giving out licenses to children and make them 21 years old. i mean you cant drink when you are 18 but you can drive a fast car and kill yourself and other innocent people? makes perfect sense..
God newsday is the worst ha. But young drivers are bad because there immature and inexperienced. A 21 year old who's new to driving is just as Inexperienced. Old enough to go to war, but can't get a license or drink..Merica!
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Old 10-08-2012, 08:28 PM   #61
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You are using blanket statements and claiming them as facts. I agree that you're average 16yr old shouldn't have a performance car. BUT not every 16yr old is the same, some have lots of track experience. Some have been karting since they could walk and have been racing pro level cars at 16.

I have a personal friend who held a FIA license at 16, and he was more than capable of handling a STi which is nothing compared to what he raced.

I'm not being a smart ass, I'm pointing out your flawed/blanket statement.

I don't care what age you are, it doesn't make you a good/responsible driver. You're either a good/responsible driver or your not. I've seen plenty cases of middle age guys along with teenagers being **** ups.

You'd be surprised, in a straight line the accord is pretty close in speed. The STi is not this high powered car many think it is, the trap speed is not very high.
Actually there's a flaw in your statement as well. Yes there are 16 year olds who can drive around me in circles on a autox. But very few 16 year olds have enough common sense, experience and ability to conceptualize the consequences of their gestures- its proven. So taken together, it is almost impossible to find a responsible , experienced and talented 16 years old driver. And track experience is not the same as street driving experience anyway.
Therefore no 16 year old should be ever driving a sti without supervision. No way kids will drive a car like this safely.
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sad to see these kind of posts. young people will never learn.we've all been through it though. i did some dumb stuff back in the day that i wouldnt think of trying now. prayers to the families affected.
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Actually there's a flaw in your statement as well. Yes there are 16 year olds who can drive around me in circles on a autox. But very few 16 year olds have enough common sense, experience and ability to conceptualize the consequences of their gestures- its proven. So taken together, it is almost impossible to find a responsible , experienced and talented 16 years old driver. And track experience is not the same as street driving experience anyway.
Therefore no 16 year old should be ever driving a sti without supervision. No way kids will drive a car like this safely.
Frankly, I don't think it has anything to do with the car, but rather what mindset the car gives a kid.

A Ford Taurus has enough power to be traveling way too fast on that road. Its the fact that when you're young, dumb and in an STi with your friends, you:

1. Are somehow encouraged to drive fast
2. Think that this "sports" car is somehow capable of defying the laws of physics.

They'd probably be just as dead doing 85 in the Taurus, vs. 92 in the STi (or whatever the acceleration difference may have been).

It's not that the car is too powerful, or too fast. It's how it gets driven, and people's ridiculous conceptions of performance ability.

C/N Here's the issue:

Sticky tires and a relatively buttoned-down suspension allow you to take a corner at, say 95 MPH, vs. say, 90 MPH in a more pedestrian car. Yet, your average idiot will tell you an STi can corner -insert stupidly high number here- compared to lesser cars. And they'll want to show their friends all of that "potential"

Absolutely no comprehension of the laws of physics, or the limits of even very capable cars.
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Frankly, I don't think it has anything to do with the car, but rather what mindset the car gives a kid.

A Ford Taurus has enough power to be traveling way too fast on that road. Its the fact that when you're young, dumb and in an STi with your friends, you:

1. Are somehow encouraged to drive fast
2. Think that this "sports" car is somehow capable of defying the laws of physics.


They'd probably be just as dead doing 85 in the Taurus, vs. 92 in the STi (or whatever the acceleration difference may have been).

It's not that the car is too powerful, or too fast. It's how it gets driven, and people's ridiculous conceptions of performance ability.

C/N Here's the issue:

Sticky tires and a relatively buttoned-down suspension allow you to take a corner at, say 95 MPH, vs. say, 90 MPH in a more pedestrian car. Yet, your average idiot will tell you an STi can corner -insert stupidly high number here- compared to lesser cars. And they'll want to show their friends all of that "potential"

Absolutely no comprehension of the laws of physics, or the limits of even very capable cars.
I agree with that, and that's why the STI is not a good car for kids. I owned a 2009 WRX: the AWD, along with a decent suspension and tire combo inspired a false sense of confidence, it felt as if the car would always stay on the road. And, you had to really go fast or do something stupid to actually upset it. I'm older and I auto-x, so I lived, but if I was 16, I would be dead- guarantee.
In a Taurus, a heavy sedan with a soft suspension and average wheels/tires/brakes those limits are way lower and you will clearly find out after plowing through a few turns with never ending understeer that not much can be done and what can be done, it has to be at commuter speeds. Can you go fast in a straight line? sure but I bet after a few bumps and turns it may actually hit the kid in time that this car is not stable at high speed and can't brake at all.
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In a Taurus, a heavy sedan with a soft suspension and average wheels/tires/brakes those limits are way lower and you will clearly find out after plowing through a few turns with never ending understeer that not much can be done and what can be done, it has to be at commuter speeds. C
Uggg...this kind of incorrect thinking is a contributor to the problem. This is exactly what I'm talking about.

In reality, what is "way lower"?

There is less than a 10% difference in the skidpad and braking numbers of the cars.

Yup, .84 for the Ford vs. .90 for the STI.

10%.

However, ignorant people get into these cars and think they can now double the speed of corners these took in their Taurus. When in reality, you could only take it a few MPH faster than you could in your mother's Taurus. They have no grasp of just how (relatively) little the improvement of a car like an STI (or any other car really) is.

Sorry, it's not "way lower". It's actually only fractionally lower. And while that's all the difference to experienced drivers, and feels different, it's a HUGE problem for uneducated drivers.

Fast, sporty cars arguably encourage people to drive faster. And, contrary to uneducated beliefs, actually can not magically stop and turn leaps and bounds greater than more pedestrian cars.

Hence, kids wind up in a ditch, thinking their car could do something it absolutely can't.



"Watch how fast I can take this turn in my STI!" <--- you think that kid enters that corner at 5 mph faster than he did in his Taurus? No, he enters 20 MPH faster, and kills himself.

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It has everything to do with the persona of driving an STI. They could have gone fast enough to kill themselves in any other car. They may not have, however, if they were in a minivan. There is this inherent need to prove yourself when you're young and in a car like that. In the end, it is about the driver. Kids just can't see past their sense of invincibility. It's sad and I mourn for the innocent passengers who lost their lives.
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This is awful Seeing stuff like this makes me drive a lot slower for a while.
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It has everything to do with the persona of driving an STI. They could have gone fast enough to kill themselves in any other car. They may not have, however, if they were in a minivan. There is this inherent need to prove yourself when you're young and in a car like that. In the end, it is about the driver. Kids just can't see past their sense of invincibility. It's sad and I mourn for the innocent passengers who lost their lives.
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Some people forget 300hp isn't that big of a deal..

I had a Hyundai Sonata before I got my 9-2x, a 200hp 2.7l V6 that had a 4 speed tranny in it.. I beat Sis and RSXs in straight lines to get an idea, it's not fast, but not slow.

I learned in that and that was enough to get my in trouble. I know a kid who killed himself going 100 around a turn in a little Camry with a car full of people. If someone is going to speed and kill themselves, they're going to do it no matter what car they have. The Sti isn't some high powered mongeloid that will cause you to lose control easily. For the same price as an STi, you can hop into a Mustang GT or Camaro SS. Guess how quickly 400+ horsepower can come out from under you.

All things considered, if I had a 16 year old kid getting a license right now I'd get them an STi. I could have handled one at 16, considering how I drove the Sonata. I'd just have to trust that I raised my son well enough to know his limits in the car, because they will be broken whether he's in a 300hp AWD turbo charged for or a 200hp little sedan.

Some people on this forum seem to have such a stick up their ass against kids having a WRX/STi.
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Some people forget 300hp isn't that big of a deal..

I had a Hyundai Sonata before I got my 9-2x, a 200hp 2.7l V6 that had a 4 speed tranny in it.. I beat Sis and RSXs in straight lines to get an idea, it's not fast, but not slow.

I learned in that and that was enough to get my in trouble. I know a kid who killed himself going 100 around a turn in a little Camry with a car full of people. If someone is going to speed and kill themselves, they're going to do it no matter what car they have. The Sti isn't some high powered mongeloid that will cause you to lose control easily. For the same price as an STi, you can hop into a Mustang GT or Camaro SS. Guess how quickly 400+ horsepower can come out from under you.

All things considered, if I had a 16 year old kid getting a license right now I'd get them an STi. I could have handled one at 16, considering how I drove the Sonata. I'd just have to trust that I raised my son well enough to know his limits in the car, because they will be broken whether he's in a 300hp AWD turbo charged for or a 200hp little sedan.

Some people on this forum seem to have such a stick up their ass against kids having a WRX/STi.
This post literally encompasses every feeling I have towards this topic. Most of the people on here who freak out about a young kid having a powerful car are jealous. I can understand that, but keep it to yourself. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten "Can't wait to see it wrapped around a tree" and other similar comments. Just as you said, I could just as easily get myself into trouble with a ford explorer if I have the immature/irresponsible mindset. Which I don't....otherwise I probably wouldn't be posting this right now.
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Some people forget 300hp isn't that big of a deal..

I had a Hyundai Sonata before I got my 9-2x, a 200hp 2.7l V6 that had a 4 speed tranny in it.. I beat Sis and RSXs in straight lines to get an idea, it's not fast, but not slow.

I learned in that and that was enough to get my in trouble. I know a kid who killed himself going 100 around a turn in a little Camry with a car full of people. If someone is going to speed and kill themselves, they're going to do it no matter what car they have. The Sti isn't some high powered mongeloid that will cause you to lose control easily. For the same price as an STi, you can hop into a Mustang GT or Camaro SS. Guess how quickly 400+ horsepower can come out from under you.

All things considered, if I had a 16 year old kid getting a license right now I'd get them an STi. I could have handled one at 16, considering how I drove the Sonata. I'd just have to trust that I raised my son well enough to know his limits in the car, because they will be broken whether he's in a 300hp AWD turbo charged for or a 200hp little sedan.

Some people on this forum seem to have such a stick up their ass against kids having a WRX/STi.
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This post literally encompasses every feeling I have towards this topic. Most of the people on here who freak out about a young kid having a powerful car are jealous. I can understand that, but keep it to yourself. I can't tell you how many times I've gotten "Can't wait to see it wrapped around a tree" and other similar comments. Just as you said, I could just as easily get myself into trouble with a ford explorer if I have the immature/irresponsible mindset. Which I don't....otherwise I probably wouldn't be posting this right now.
For some people, for whatever the reason, having the sporty "fast" car encourages them to do stupid things. I would have to agree that's the case for an average teen.

Maybe not for you, or for many others...but for your average HS kid. Sorry, Peer pressure, self stupidity, etc. often get the best of young people.
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For some people, for whatever the reason, having the sporty "fast" car encourages them to do stupid things. I would have to agree that's the case for an average teen.

Maybe not for you, or for many others...but for your average HS kid. Sorry, Peer pressure, self stupidity, etc. often get the best of young people.
I completely agree with you. That's what I was talking about having the right mindset. Also, it's up to the parents in the end to determine if their kid is going to kill themselves in the car or not.
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Actually there's a flaw in your statement as well. Yes there are 16 year olds who can drive around me in circles on a autox. But very few 16 year olds have enough common sense, experience and ability to conceptualize the consequences of their gestures- its proven. So taken together, it is almost impossible to find a responsible , experienced and talented 16 years old driver. And track experience is not the same as street driving experience anyway.
Therefore no 16 year old should be ever driving a sti without supervision. No way kids will drive a car like this safely.
No the flaw is in your post. You are generalizing all 16yr olds together. Sorry it doesn't work that way. I have already stated that MOST 16yr olds should not be driving a performance car..........and that MOST people REGARDLESS of age should not be driving a performance vehicle. Truthfully most people shouldn't be behind the wheel if any car since they have no clue on how to control it.

Having come up through karting, I knew plenty of 16yr olds that had the skill and respect for a powerful car (The STi is not a powerful car). Hell, go over to Europe and there are plenty of teenagers in the big racing. And yes, some of these guys act like 16yr olds, and others are very mature for their age.

Track experience vs street experience..........I'll take track experience any day. Also, what we are discussing (flying down public roads in the rain at crazy speeds) has nothing to do with "street experience", meanwhile track experience........or just common sense.....would tell you it's a horrible idea.
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Natural Selection at its finest.
Applying that broad assumption upon each passenger is a stretch. For the driver, I'm sure people can agree it's fine to say so. However for the passengers to judge and assess the driver and his driving skills or emotional reactions before getting into a motorized vehicle with him isn't exactly "natural" humans can do.

That is of course unless you can account for every possible encounter that vehicle is capable of entering in a few seconds. Then sure, it was natural selection.
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Old 10-08-2012, 10:35 PM   #75
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IMO parents shouldnt simply purchase a car for their kid at that price with 305 hp at all. Not only is it too confidence inspiring but if they dont pay for it, they arent going to respect it enough to worry about wrecking it.. Even if there is no bodily harm involved. Hard work inspires appreciation.. Gifts not so much. I worked hard for enough of a down payment to be able to make my monthly payment on my wrx and i surely wouldnt be driving it in a manner that i could lose control and smash it to pieces. Dont get me wrong im all for a spirited drive.. But not outside of the car's and my own limits.
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